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The Treaty of Potsdam was an official document ending the Brandenburg War between Scandinavia and Austria.


Proposals

NB: I was not sure on some of the Scandinavian colony names, but I will use my best guess until they can be fixed.

Austrian Proposal:

  • The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be returned to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs, with Magnus II of Brandenburg being restored to his position as Margrave and Elector of Brandenburg. The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be ruled by Magnus II's posterity.
  • The Duchy of Pomerania shall be restored to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs and ruled as a vassal of Brandenburg as it was before the Second Franco-Austrian War and the transfer of Pomeranian lands to the House of Hamburg.
  • The native Algonquin tribes of Wyandotte (Huron) and Attawandaron (Neutral) shall be no longer be required to swear fealty to the nation of Scandinavia, and shall be independent.
  • The nations of Schleswig, as well as Lubeck, and all other Scandinavian acquisitions from the war with Hamburg (no changing that treaty so that Scandinavia gets less, that would be meta), shall be established as vassal states of Austria within the Holy Roman Empire.
  • The Scandinavian settlements and claims on Newfoundland shall be released to Austria.
  • The region of Ingria shall be released from Scandinavia Karelia as the independent Duchy of Ingria.
  • Scandinavia shall renounce all claim to the regions it has ceded or transferred, and shall make no attempts to vassalize, influence, conquer, annex, or expand into these regions.
  • Scandinavia shall agree to a forty year non-aggression pact with Austria and the Holy Roman Empire, and shall make no attempt to attack the Holy Roman Empire.
  • The Scandinavian colonies of Strombek and New Gotland will be consolidated into one colony. 
  • The island of Gotland, Shetland and the Faroe Islands shall be ceded to Austria from Scandinavia. 
  • Scandinavia shall pay Austria a war indemnity equivalent to 331,800 troy ounces of gold..

Okay, a lot of these terms need to be discussed. -Feud

Hispanian Proposal

  • The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be returned to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs, with Magnus II of Brandenburg being restored to his position as Margrave and Elector of Brandenburg. The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be ruled by Magnus II's posterity.
  • The Duchy of Pomerania shall be restored to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs and ruled as a vassal of Brandenburg as it was before the Second Franco-Austrian War and the transfer of Pomeranian lands to the House of Hamburg.
  • The region of Ingria shall be released from Scandinavia Karelia as the independent Duchy of Ingria.
  • Scandinavia shall pay Austria a war indemnity equivalent to 131,800 troy ounces of gold..
  • Scandinavia will not prohibit any Austrian colonization of Newfoundland for the duration of the NAP, but will not be barred from colonizing there as well.
  • a 20 year Non-Aggression Pact will be brought about in this treaty enforceable by any participants of Westminster but primarily the Empire of Hispania.
  • Austria will recognize that any further proposals to fully dismantle empires and colonial structures will not be recognized and its unrealistic terms of war acquisition will be renounced.
  • Spain will be the full enforcer of these terms and this will be the ONLY acceptable treaty as Spain is the most powerful member of Westminster, as well as one of the founding states. Any attempt to deviate from this treaty will be seen as an act of war, and the seizure of Austrian assets will begin.

Compromise Proposal:

  • The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be returned to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs, with Magnus II of Brandenburg being restored to his position as Margrave and Elector of Brandenburg. The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be ruled by Magnus II's posterity.
  • The Duchy of Pomerania shall be restored to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs and ruled as a vassal of Brandenburg as it was before the Second Franco-Austrian War and the transfer of Pomeranian lands to the House of Hamburg.
  • The nations of Schleswig, as well as Lubeck and all other Scandinavian acquisitions from the war with Hamburg (no changing that treaty so that Scandinavia gets less, that would be meta), shall be established as vassal states of Austria within the Holy Roman Empire.
  • Scandinavia shall not prohibit Austrian settlement of Newfoundland, and shall not colonize there for a period of twenty years. 
  • The region of Ingria shall be released from Scandinavia Karelia as the independent Duchy of Ingria.
  • Scandinavia shall renounce all claim to the regions it has ceded or transferred, and shall make no attempts to vassalize, influence, conquer, annex, or expand into these regions.
  • Scandinavia shall agree to a twenty year non-aggression pact with Austria and the Holy Roman Empire, and shall make no attempt to attack the Holy Roman Empire, enforceable by the Empire of Hispania.
  • The island of Gotland, shall be ceded to Austria from Scandinavia. 
  • Scandinavia shall pay Austria a war indemnity equivalent to 100,000 troy ounces of gold.
  • I approve just due to the fact he did decidedly win, but anything about colonies outside of Newfoundland is pretty much out as are the American vassal states. -Feud

Discussion

Before we start seizing Austrian assets, I'd just like to say a few things about the terms. About the gold, I wasn't sure how to represent the amount of money, especially since people will use the modern conversion for gold. What I was trying to have that be was about the amount Greece paid the Ottomans in OTL, or the amount Russia had to pay Romania in ATL. I can't take the stuff in Germany? I actually have a casus belli for that and as emperor I'm kind of obligated to. The only thing that I am conquering and not liberating exactly is Schleswig, but it's a small territory that in OTL Germany conquered too. I might not even own it forever, but I thought it would at least help to deter Scandinavia from frequently sending troops into Hamburg and Germany. Considering Scandinavia's colony on the map currently is zero pixels, I thought it wouldn't be that hard take. The only other things I had in the treaty for Borealia was releasing a native tribe and consolidating a colony, which if anything would make him more organized. In reply to what Feud said, Sine almost got involved yes, but according to him that was to conquer Luxembourg and St. Gall. "20% does not mean you get to take a legitimate 20%", I know, I won by 10% and am taking about 1-1.5%. Is that too much too? I have nearly 6000 pixels left over. Mscoree (talk) 12:25, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

10% does not mean you legitimately get 6000 pixels. 10% doesn't give you the right to dismantle everything including overseas colonies you didn't even war for. No to the colonies, and no the anything outside of your war goals. This treaty is soo unreasonable. The Wings of Freedom #FP Wings of freedom 2 (Talk to Me)

Yes but some of the things I added are in my war goal. Just because the war is called the "Brandenburg War" (that was honestly just a catchy name, which I am now regretting) doesn't mean fighting only happens in Brandenburg. I have an equally as good casus belli for the rest of Germany as Holy Roman Emperor. All the other minor gains in Europe were proposed to me by people, and I thought that since I had thousands of pixels left over it wouldn't be unreasonable to demand a few small islands. Newfoundland is a total of zero pixels at the moment, is it really that hard to raze a settlement? They don't even really have a population or a government, and even if I had posted my Borealian front they probably wouldn't even be in it. And the term about receiving any of his war gains doesn't really apply anymore because of metagaming (Crim was originally getting Lubeck, but then when they saw I would take it they removed it. They said they removed it because the algo had changed and they no longer had enough pixels to take Lubeck. But then Cookie edits the treaty so he gets Lubeck himself, so obviously they do have enough pixels to get it). I will make a compromise proposal I guess. Mscoree (talk) 12:12, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Terms

  • The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be returned to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs, with Magnus II of Brandenburg being restored to his position as Margrave and Elector of Brandenburg. The Margrave of Brandenburg shall be ruled by Magnus II's posterity.
  • The Duchy of Pomerania shall be restored to the Brandenburgian Habsburgs and ruled as a vassal of Brandenburg as it was before the Second Franco-Austrian War and the transfer of Pomeranian lands to the House of Hamburg.
  • The nations of Schleswig, as well as Lubeck and all other Scandinavian acquisitions from the war with Hamburg (no changing that treaty so that Scandinavia gets less, that would be meta), shall be established as vassal states of Austria within the Holy Roman Empire.
  • After a period of thirty five years Austria will put up the region of Schleswig to Scandinavia for purchase. 
  • Scandinavia will be prohibited from intervening in the Holy Roman Empire on behalf of any state for a duration of thirty five years. 
  • Scandinavia shall not prohibit Austrian settlement of Newfoundland, and shall not colonize there for a period of twenty years. 
  • The region of Ingria shall be released from Scandinavia Karelia as the independent Duchy of Ingria.
  • The island of Gotland, shall be ceded to Austria from Scandinavia. 
  • Scandinavia shall pay Austria a war indemnity equivalent to 100,000 troy ounces of gold.

Signatures

  • Wolfgang I, Holy Roman Emperor and Archduke of Austria - Mscoree (talk) 20:26, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Johannes II Halvar, King of Scandinavia and Her Realms- Crim de la Crème 01:34, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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