Talk:Transbellum

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Contents 1 uchronies 2 why 8? 3 Why Alpha moved 4 "Pinning plot to the top" 5 Possible uchronic divergenses

[edit] uchronies

Interesting... the "uchronies" are distinct timelines that have become aware of each other? Very interesting. - Nik 19:04, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

yup, the knowledge however is limited in the population in general--Marcpasquin 19:12, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] why 8?

What is the reason for a specific number of timelines? Why eight? JWSchmidt 03:42, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

the reason was that I wanted more then a few (4) less then a lot (16). Yours sound better though.--Marcpasquin 01:32, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why Alpha moved

I found that developing links of a cold war type between the various timelines didn't work out as per my original ideas, the uchronies were just too differents (christianity couldn't logicaly exist on half of them so there goes my jesuits secrets agents...).

Because I hate wastefulness, the timeline that was Alpha will be spun off on its own as Day of Glory and will keep the transbellum concept but move Event 0 forward.

Three possibilities I can think of are :

1- event 0 = battle at poitier in the 8th century

Branch X (victory of the christians): one of these would be our world

Branch Y (victory of the muslims):

2- event zero = Thirty years war

Branch X (victory of the catholic league):

- France

- Spain

- Bavaria

- turkey

Branch Y (victory of the protestant union):

- Sweden

- England

- Netherland

- Prussia

3- event 0 = War of spanish succession. Instead of two branches of four you would have six uchronies stemming from the same event:

1- Dauphin becomes spanish king (as per will of previous one), upon becoming Louis XV of france, unites both countries. Stuart return in england.

2- The duc d'anjou becomes spanish king (junior line of bourbon) but renounce to french succession. This is OTL

3- Leopold I (Holy german emperor) becomes spanish king.

4- Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria (Wittelsbach dynasty) becomes spanish king, compromise candidate (neither hapsburg nor bourbon), favorite of dutch and english. Survived the small pox (he died *here*). Lead to Spanish hegemony backed at first by the UK and the United provinces.

5- Archduke Charles becomes spanish king (junior line of harpsburg), Austrian proeminence.

6- Swedish king decide to interveen in the conflict (he declined *here*) leading to swedish proeminence in europe.

Any other suggestions ? It would have to be either one event that could spring out 6 or 8 possible timelines or 2 somewhat related POD occuring within a few centuries of one another (an the whole in the last 15 centuries or so)

To moderator: I'll clean up the links in the next few days as to what stays here and what can get deleted. --Marcpasquin 02:18, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Pinning plot to the top"

What does this change do ?

When you see a category of a timeline, v.g. Category:Transbellum, articles are ordered alphabetically.

When in the article there is the code:

 [[Category:Transbellum|*]]

the article will be alphabetized as *, before all other articles.

— Carlos Th (talk) 16:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks for that then--Marcpasquin 17:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible uchronic divergenses

Possible events -

1. Event 0 - Alexander the Great vs. Darius; Alex wins (x), Darius wins (y)
2. Branch "x" - Rome falls? yes(x1)/no(x2)
3. Branch "y" - Persia expands Westward(y1)/Eastward(y2)
4. Sub-branch "x1" - Napoleonic wars no(A)/yes(B) or American revolution no(A)/yes(B)
5. Sub-branch "x2" - ???
6. Sub-branch "y1" - Persia vs. Carthage; Persia wins (E), Carthage wins (Z)
7. Sub-branch "y2" - China vs. Persia; China wins(E'), Persia wins (T)

Therefore -

1. Alpha - No Napoleonic wars
2. Beta - Our timeline
3. Gamma - Super-Rome
4. Delta - Sino-Roman rivalry
5. Epsilon - Persia rules Europe
6. Zeta - Persian/Cartheginian Hegemony
7. Eta - Pan-asiatic Hegemony
8. Theta - Enhanced Persian Empire, and rivalry with China

- Sikulu 14:17, 19 Oct 2005 (BST)

Thanks, there is some similitude to what I originally had in mind. The problem I encounter was that its really hard to find groups that would be common to most of them then (religious, ethnic en political). Nothing preventing you from going that way though.- Marcpasquin 02:20, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)

How about creating Transbellum together? I know quite a lot about history (as my fellow university students can atest). Any thoughts on this, and how to get started on my own timeline (I've finished one of my own at home, and have another on the go at the moment.) I can template out the possible solutions better if you'd like. - Sikulu 11:10, 25 Oct 2005 BST

This being a wiki, feel free to contribute. As to your timeline, you can post if you want. What is it about ?--Marcpasquin 00:06, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Basically, it involves the acceptance of the Albany Congress (therefore British USA), a more powerful China (a-la Monarchy World), a more powerful Austrian Empire, which still dominates the German Confederation, and a partial realisation of Simon Bolivar's dream of a united latin america. P.S. most of the Middle-Eastern civs' religions are the same (Babylon, Sumeria, Assyria, Akkadia, Phoenecia, Carthage (yes, Carthage), to some extent Israel) --Sikulu 28 Oct 2005, 14:59 (BST)

How do you explain a similar europe but such a different africa and middle-east ? (incidently, you should start a page for your timeline and move this discussion there)--Marcpasquin 01:33, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)

The P.S. was referring to one of the problems you mentioned, and nothing to do with my timeline. By the way, I've started to post my (currently ongoing) timeline. See Here we go again.--Sikulu 1 Nov 2005, 10:55 (GMT)

By the way, Sumeria, Akkadia, Babylon, and Assyria all came from the same area, and were essentially successor states to each other (well, sort-of). Persia later conquered the whole of Mesopotamia during one of its many expansionist phases. Persia lasted until the seventh century, when it was conquered by the Arabs. Unless there is a Byzantine-Persian anti-Arab alliance during this time, I don't see it lasting much longer without substantially boosting its strength through PoDs.--Sikulu 2 Nov 2005, 14:47 (GMT)

How do you make flags and maps for the website? The help option on this site or wikipedia isn't very helpful on how to put them into the site itself.--Sikulu 3 Nov 2005, 10:21 (GMT)

Would I be able to put my History of Rome-After Ætas ab Brian in as one of the timelines? Probably only if it was considered possible for different dimensions to pass through time at different rates since my timeline is on contemporary technological levels to OTL in the late 14th century. They are expected to gain interdimensional capabilities by the 1520's though.--TEAKAY 21:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunatly not, not only must all the timelines be at the same present date but I also want them to be stemming from a single POD. I'll write more about soonish. --Marcpasquin 11:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Acknowledged.--TEAKAY 15:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)