Talk: Timeline (An Independent in 2000)

Em, the US constitution states that one has to be at least 35 before they can run for president. Buk5 22:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

So? Edwards was 36 when he ran in 2000.Jack Vexx 01:19, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't French, popular in Quebec and I think other parts of Canada also be important as a second language for the Continental States?

Impeachment[]

Shouldn't Edwards be impeached by this stage? He has committed torture, torn the constitution to shreds, asks congress to break the law and created practically a big brother state? Buk5 19:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you think Bush did man? Riley.Konner 11:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarity[]

The Constitution prohibits torture. What Edwards did was to foreign terrorists, not US citizens who are protected by the Constitution. It was a military act, a brutal and violent one yes, which if anything would bring into question crimes against humanity. Though it would be an easy defense considering the circumstances.

States of United States of North America in 2010 from west to east, and north to south

Open mind[]

i think somebody of Seattle can not be sow open to change USA to US of North America, that sound like a newyorker o somebody to los angeles, people of Global cities see the world like one and unique, seeatle is sow englishwhite to that. That i what i feel writing from argentine, maybe i wrong, i am not "greengo" (friendly way aniway), i don´t now about how a US president think --Fero 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

saddam[]

How can the UN magically arrest Saddam in thee weeks and avoid civil war? Furthermore, they need a UN resolution in the Security council and China or russia would veto that. I cite Mugabe and Darfur. Buk5 13:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Major Change[]

Decided to make this the dedicated timeline page, not just the Edward's Presidency, I'm still working on it though, so bear with me.--YNot1989 04:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

future history[]

To the contributors of this timeline, remember that future history (anything starting tomorrow) is off bound on this wiki. The timeline should end in 2008.--Marcpasquin 19:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

FUTURE posible?[]

nice work all of you, maybe U can do a version of this in Future wikia --Fero 01:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

FUTURE PERFECT[]

Just put one up, thanks for the tip, it has the same name BTW.--YNot1989 07:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Hugo Chavez[]

I may have included the impeachment section, but i would like your opinion on how edwards would deal with Chavez. Buk5 15:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

--Answer-- Due to the more positive view of the US in this timeline Chavez does not really become a problem until after Edwards leaves office. See my future wikia timeline I've been Talking about for more, though I'm still working on it.--YNot1989 07:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Edwards[]

Are he or his parents "real" people (OTL)? Benkarnell 21:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

--Answer-- No, Edwards is a fictional character, as are his parents, his family is meant to be a analogue to any average inner city American Family, Edwards is just my idea of Bush's negative.--YNot1989 06:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I know I've been kinda hovering over this comment section, but I simply feel that I owe it to my readers to clarify some questions about this timeline. That and I'm incredibly lazy so I hit questions on binge sections.--YNot1989 07:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

map[]

good map, although i thought Ukraine and Kazakhstan joined Russia.

Iraq[]

Why would the UN partition the country?

Would Saddam get the youtube hanging?

Why on earth would Turkey recognize Kurdistan? See Dixie and South Ossetia on secession. Buk5 10:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Reality[]

Winston Churchill once said that his biggest mistake was not making a Kurdish state, and we've seen today just how "united" all three sects of Iraq are without a tyrannical dictator.

Saddam would be exiled by the World Court.

Turkey would recognize Kurdistan so they could get into the EU, and lets be honest that region of their country is more trouble than its worth to them. --YNot1989 04:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Georgia?[]

I don't think Georgia would wish to become a part of Russia again; then they would rather join the European Union. - Realismadder 15:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Just fixed it so that south osetia is admited to the federation

ASB[]

This is absolute ASB. A potential foreigner getting the highest office of the land.

Alex Jones will be getting more listeners to say the ABSOLUTE least.

Russia suddenly being in bed with america. that is like Cold Fire or Hot Ice. A russo-american alliance is an oxymoron.

When 9/11 happens, the truth movement will sprout up faster than OTL. Watch Loose change, Endgame, Terrorstorm.

The Neocons will defect and say 9/11 was an inside job.

Expect Tarpley to make more money. any Truth movement film will be a blockbuster compared to Loose Change OTL (which apparently is the most watched movie online)

Edwards getting the UN to arrest saddam? This is like getting Serbia to Arrest Mladic. France, Russia and China would veto any resolution (they gave saddam 83% of his hardware.)

Edwards not being impeached for OPENLY violating the constitution's prohibition against torture? At the very least, bush attemtped to cover that up.

Saddam getting to live in the lap of luxury by the ICJ? Roflcopter, that is like a murderer getting a mansion.

Government being expanded solves every problem. Tell that to Baby P [[1]]

Government intervention ineducation doesn't help. case in point, Britain.

North America, and CANADA for crying out loud, all of a sudden wanting to join the US? That is like a victim joining their bully's gang.

Sorry, but all the ASBs acting in concert are the only reasin this guy even gets to run. Buk5 18:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Canada[]

The Canadian people would never agree to being absorbed by the US. We have fundamental disagreements with the way the US is run, our ties to the British Monarchy, and socialism being a viable political view would all go against this. A European Union style economic union in North America would be acceptable, but Canada would never seek annexation by the US.--Oerwinde 20:50, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Even after your economy has been crippled by an America that has unlimited resources from space based mining, is actively seeking an economic bill of rights, and is actively drawing down its military presence overseas. Sorry, but I think Canadians are a little more calculating that you are giving yourselves credit for.

Unlimited resources wouldn't cripple the economies. Its only the mining industries that would suffer. Free market economy would ensure that if the space mining companies had unlimited resources, and the costs of space mining didn't drive up the prices of the resources, they would sell to whoever was buying, including foreign companies. This would lead to a boost in the import business in Canada, as well as a boost in tariff revenues for the Canadian government. Cheaper resources would mean cheaper products, which in turn would mean more people buying, which leads to an improved economy. --Oerwinde 08:01, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Some economics[]

Just remember that with the economy exploding in 2007 and the Dow reaching 500k a year later, the interest rates required to defeat inflation and bring the value of the dollar to 1800 levels would cripple the economy. Since businesses are the basis for a free market economy and someone would generally need to take out a loan to start their business up. Its usually some time before it starts making enough of a profit to pay off its debts. With interest rates as high as you imply, that would simply be impossible.

Not to mention, the real wages of the American people and export-hostile exchange rates wouldn't be good news either.

--Anonymous 21:07, November 11, 2009

Ideas for Timeline[]

Here are some of my ideas for the Timeline. (note: I don't have an account).

2008

Thanks to the Universal Health Care system and the end of taxes, the government is finally able to rid the country of most of its socialist welfare programs, including Medicare and Mediaid. Once one welfare program is left, though it is able to handle issues welfare programs can since they are funded by the government.

2010

February 2nd: After diplomatic pressures fail, a coalation of nations led by the US, European Union, Russia, China (China was first reluctant to join, but after a nuclear device accident that killed 3 people in China, the government joined), and India along with their allies (United Australian Republic, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Saudi Arabia and 21 other Arab nations, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Basra, Kurdistan, South Africa, Iraq, Nigeria, Kenya, and Ethiopia) declare war against North Korea in the Second Korean War.
February 3rd: It didn't take long for the coalation to defeat the North Korean army. After the allies take Pyongyang, Kim Jong II is arrested and hauled into the International Court of Justice for crimes against humanity.
February 4th: South and North Korea are now united as Korea. The government faces a challenge of re-building the Northern part of the country, so the US, EU, Russia, China, and Japan donate money and aid to help achieve this goal.
February 5th- Around the Arab World, anti-government protests spark in the countries of Egypt, Libya, tunisia, Algeria, Morrocco, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Somalia, Bahrain, Yemen, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Basra, Iran, and Syria. Barack Obama encourages the governments to concede for their democratic demands since that the portests would effect oil and gas prices worldwide.
March 19th: Baluchistan and Tajikistan enter Afghanistan, but Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan reject all proposals to join the country. Instead, they give a portion of their countries to the nation instead.
April 2nd: Russia introduces the New Union plan, that all the former Soviet Republics (the European States would be a Russian-European joint rule) would join the Union, which the country would be rec alled officially the Russian Federation of Republics. The New Union plan also creates several new republics for Chechnya and others. Thanks to US aid, the new country would be able to develop the region's resources and strengthen its economy and spread democracy everywhere.
April 7th: Barack Obama proposes the Gibraltar Bridge, which would link Spain and Morrocco together.
April 15th: Scientists invent harmless chemials that permantely prevent the growth of mold, dust, and insects in buildings. Soon, they reduce the need of labour in houses.
April 25th: the US Fiber Optic Network is complete. Soon, the US replaces Japan in having the highest internet speeds.
May 1st: The nations of Darfur and Sudd are granted independence from Sudan. Many see this event as a new era of peace.
May 1st: The States of Palestine is finally created under a democracy in free associtation with Israel.
May 1st: All governments in North Africa concede the people's ddemand for demoracy while many Arab leaders in the region resign. This also happens in other governments like Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Basra, Yemen, Oman, and Bahrain. However, governments in Djibouti, Somalia, and Iran try to stop the protests.
May 3rd: The US and the EU send aid to the new democratic countries in the Arab world.
May 4th: Russia, EU, India, and China begin their space programs with the help of the US.
April 5th: Saudi Arabian government agrees to protests demand. The Royal Family creates a parliamentary monarchy with more democratic reforms though the government is still based on Islamic law.
April 13th: Last remaining Arab government concede to the democratic demands. However, in Iran, the protests turn into a revolution.
April 23rd: Russia, EU, India, and US side with the democratic side in an effort to destroy the old Iranian government. it didn't take long for the Iranian army to be defeated. President Mahmoud in soon arrested and hauled into the International Court of Justice.
May 4th: The UN funds into aiding Iran while US and Iran renew relations. Iranian Azerbaijan, Khuzestan, and Assyria break away.
May 5th: Iranian Azerbaijan is added to Russia while Assyria joins Kurdistan and becomes the Union of Kurdistan and Assyria. Khuzestan becomes a part of Basra.
May 12th: US become the most high tech country since the 1950's.
May 12th: 60% of the world's robots are used in US.
May 12th: Chinese and US scientists invent a new kind of rice that doesn't need much water, tastes like white rice but healthy as brown rice, has all the vitamins and minerals, and can be grown in any envrionment. Soon, rice production in China quadriples by 20 times, allowing som efarmland to be reverted back to forest or used for other agricultural purposes.
June 5th: EU and China disarm their last nuclear weapons. Barack Obama declares this "one step up, one more to go".
August 13th: Saudi Arabia proposes a Consitutional Caliphate that would united the Muslim World into one nation. However, the US and other nations heavily critizies this plan.

2011

The Charles Malcolm Edwards Presidential Library opens to the Public. Former President Edwards is seen for the first time in three years at this event. He is seen speaking in private with his some former members of his cabinet and staff, and later President Obama. He gives a brief speech, and then leaves.
Russia and the US disarm the last of the world's nuclear weapons. President Obama proclaims a new era of peace.
The UN Global Highway completes the Gibraltar Bridge.
The first Joint Mobile Offshore Base or "Battle Island" goes online in the North Pacific as the last foreign US military base in the region closes. It is named US-JMOB-1 "Midway."
Former President Edwards becomes a pilot at NASA.
US forces withdraw from Burma after the Pro-Democracy forces finish off the last of the former Junta regime.
President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela begins a war against neighboring Columbia once US Oil consumption drops to pre 1940s levels, in order to secure the Columbian Drug Markets.
After issuing an ultimatum to Chavez to withdraw troops from Colombia, the US deploys manned and unnmaned aicraft to destroy the advancing Venezuelan forces. The US issues a futher ultimatum for the Venezuelans to declare peace or suffer a full US invasion.
On the 10 year anneversery of the 9/11 attacks, the 2001 meter tall "Freedom Tower," is completed in New York as the world's tallest building.

2012

After repeated attempts at peace, the US, with aide of Brazilian Forces, take the Venezuelan Capitol with little effort due in part to the growing Pro-American Sentiment in South America, as well as the much more more advanced US military.
Hugo Chavez is tried for waging aggressive war and drug trafficking (not unlike Noriega before him) in the ICC.
Obama wins a second term on his handling of the Latin American war.
A second Battle Island, the US-JMOB-2 "Normandy" goes online in the Indian North Atlantic as the last US military Base in Europe is closed.
The European Union elects former German Chancellor Angela Merkel as the second President of the EU.
President Obama meets with the Chinese president to discuss further arms arms reductions, this time relating to Vacuum Bombs.
The Great Lakes Wind Farms (formerly the Lake Michigan Wind Farm) are completed.
The Billion Roofs Project is completed, Giving every building in the US a thin film solar power source.
The US meets the 100 MPGe standard set by the 2005 Seattle Protocols.
Barack Obama apoligizes for the US for not attending the Kyoto Protocol, but the world forgives the nation.

2013

The last US coal fire plant is closed.
President Obama announces the One World, One Economy Act. The plan would direct all future asteroid revenues following the completion of the State Reorganization Act to the creation of an equal Per Capita GDP for every nation.
South America, interested of joining the US, asks the US government for annexation. President Rodriguez announces the "Great Union Acts," essentially following in the footsteps of the American Economic Growth and Reinvestment Plan, and the State Reorganization Act.
The US is reformed into 60 states.
Battle Islands US-JMOB-3 "Bataan" and US-JMOB-4 "Islamabad" go online in the South West Pacific and Indian Ocean respectively.

2014

The Last Battle Islands the US-JMOB-5 "Yorktown" and JMOB-6 "Marne" go online in the South East Pacific and the South Atlantic respectively.
The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) goes online in Hanford, Lincoln.
Russia, India, and China no longer use oil. However, this greatly effects Saudi Arabia, which now dependent on aid.

2015

Former President Edwards launches for Mars where he will become the second station commander on the red planet. He is to be put in charge of Spirit Base.
President Obama meets with the Chinese President to further discuss more open relations with the PRC. China still maintains its cold shoulder treatment to the North.
The State Reorganization Act in America is completed.
US MagLev Rail Network is completed.
The US completes construction of the last pieces of the African Water Infrastructure Projects, completing Project Purity. Clean drinking water is availible for everyone in Africa.

2017

Vice President Richardson is elected President of the United States.
Tranquility City reaches a population of 10,000.
The Trans Global Highway links North Africa, Europe, Russia, and America along a single road.
The North African Desalination Facilities are completed, bringing free clean water to the entire Sahara.

2018

The New Panama Canal is completed.
The Japan-Korea Undersea Tunnel is completed.

2019

President Richardson vetoes a bill that would call for the removal of all US bases in North Africa and the Middle East. However, Congress overrides his veto. This causes an imediate shut down of US Bases on North Africa and the Middle East.
President Richardson vetoes the Voter Expansion Amendment, a bill that would extend the voting age to people 13 and up, but Congress overides this.
President Richardson passes a law that would fund the space programs of Japan and Saudi Arabia.
The Barack Obama Presidential Library in Chicago is completed.
The Voter Expansion Amendment is enters into national referendum.
The Bering Strait Bridge is completed. Effectively completing the Global Highway.

2020

President Richardson meets with the Filipino government for economic aid in the country. It also encourages the government to create an automous states of Mindanao.
The Communist party in the Philippines declares war against the US. The goal is to stop aid for the government so they have a chance to take over it. This starts the Sino-American war.
Several islands in the Philippines become battle zones, but since mobile palisades can't work under water, the government uses hyrdo palisades that float and seperate the civilizan communities and the battlefield. During that time, several islands are developed thanks to US aid.
The EU, Russia, and India join the war with the US and the Filipino government.
EU decides to give all the land in the Americas in controls the the US.

2021

President Richardson narrowly looses his re-election to Populist Governor of Quebec Catherine Barret.
President Barret sings the Voter Expansion Amendment into Law.
President Barret recalls all US troops abroad back to the US, making the Battle Island's the closest thing to foreign military bases.
Inspired by democracy, the Vietnamese people start a revolution and along with the people in Laos.
Former President Edwards, now Commander Edwards, reports the discovery of single celled life at the bottom of Valles Marineris.
The People's Republic of China lands their first Taikonaut on the Moon.
Japan and Saudi Arabia land their first people on the Moon and Mars.
The Russian Federation sends their first astronaut to the Moon's the Sea of Moscow.

2024

President Barret proposes the creation of a central bank of the US, which would nationalize the American banking system.
Commander Edwards completes construction of the first vertical farm on Mars.
NASA privatizes the shuttle fleet to handle the spending cuts.
President Barret makes her most controversial decision ever, and introduces a bill that would nationalize the country's farms.

2025

President Barret looses to Aztlan Governor Marisol Rodriguez, or May-Rod as she is more commonly known.
The leader of the Filipinio Communist Party is captured and the war in the Philippines ends.
President Rodriguez kills the collective farm but fails to kill the central bank proposals.
A cure for autism is found, causing group homes to be disbanded and the "formerly autistic" people to enter the workforce in mass numbers.

2027

Former President Edwards retires from the job of Martian Station Commander, he leaves to aide in the Terraforming Project.
Former President Obama is made Ambassador to the United Nations.
The European Union joins the terraforming project.
The Global Positioning System is placed under UN Control, and is made free for every person to use.
Japan and Saudi Arabia begin to build space bases the Moon and Mars and also begin to start their space mining programs.

2029

President Rodriguez is reelected.
Spirit Base, now far more subterranean, has a population of some 10,000 people.
The first space mirrors are placed around Mars to heat the planet for habitability.
A clone of Chief Justice Earl Warren is born on Earth.

2030

By now, all vehicles in the United States no longer use oil.
The last vehicles in the European Union also no longer use oil.
Russia's GDP passes China thanks to US Aid.
Life as the Independent: An Autobiography by Former President Edwards is a best seller. I was written by the President himself and reveals the most inner secrets of his presidency. Perhaps the most shocking pieces of information were to where the President was actually born. Ironically President Edwards was the only one who ever actually knew. After being confirmed by the Chronoscope, it is realized that President Edwards was actually from a parallel timeline, and had accidentally been carried into this time when the Large Haradon Collider in his time tore itself apart due to a design flaw and transported himself into the past. For unknown reasons he was reduced to an infant, but somehow maintained all of his memories and knowledge. Knowledge of a terrible alternate timeline, where George W. Bush became President and nearly destroyed the United States during his tenure as President. President Edwards is never seen again after saying that he wished to explore the galaxy.

2033

The United States elects the first Asian president. Hawaiian Congressmen Reed Chin.
Mars is now a planet of Oceans. Atmospheric levels have risen so far to two thirds that of Earth.
The PRC sends a ship directly off the cost of Taipei, the UN holds an emergency meeting to convince the PRC to back down from Taiwan. Former President Obama successfully negotiates a peace, but many wonder for how long.
Former President Edwards, now being hounded by what is left of the Media on the Space Mirrors, leaves for the Asteroid belt aboard the Lewis & Clark Asteroid Miner to explore the Belt.

2037

President Chin is re-elected.
The Northern Defense Coalition meets with the East Asian Co-Prosperity to discuss further prevention of a cold war.
The Chinese delegate conceids to the UN North/South Talks. It signs a treaty with the NDC that would merge the East-Asian Co-prosperity and NDC into one union, called the West-East Alliance, or WEA for short.

2040

The Chinese government, hoping to reduce some of its power to prevent a Second Cold War, decides to end the Communist regime and moves to a more democratic government. In response, Taiwan fully admits to join China while relations with the US recovered.
The EACP and the WEA merge with the UN Security council into a single super entity allowing all nations into the Security Council.
US, EU, China, India, Russia, Japan, and Sauid Arabia are currently the only nations with access to space-based resources.
Former President Edwards becomes Commander of Ceres Base.
Russia finally agrees to join the EU. In August 1st, the country is officially a part of the EU.
Mars now has a stable atmospheric pressure, and the first bushes are now growing in select regions.
The first interstellar Probe launches for Alpha Centauri.
The Ahmadiyya Caliphate is established throughout the Muslim world, though the much more moderate Indonesians and Malaysians refuse to join, saying, "That entity died a long time ago, it has no relevance in today's world."

2041

The US elects New England Governor Jed Westbank as President.
The PRC, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and India establishes their first martian towns.

2045

Mars can now support trees in some areas and humans can remove rebreathers while outside in certain areas.
Former President Edwards, now realizing that he will be followed to his grave, decides to leave, for good. He commissions a ship to be built, putting all of his money into its construction, and leaving everything else he owns to charity. The ship, the Independence, is seen by only two people other than Edwards; the station chief that launched it and the his long time friend Former Vice President Clark. Edwards then launched towards Jupiter, but much speculation about his whereabouts continued for decades to come.
The Charles Malcolm Edward Monument is completed in Washington DC, it depicts President Edwards holding a hand to the stars and looking towards the future. It is the size of the Lincoln Memorial. Some claim that they saw President Edwards after the Coronation, though many have long since begun to think the Former President had died while exploring the deep regions of space.

Future history is not allowed on this site, so most of this cannot be added. Plus I strongly advise you to get an account. Mitro 01:12, February 23, 2011 (UTC)