So what else happens around the world? I mean with no native americans, there would be less hesitant mi-graters to California, or the Frenc-Indian war. So, lots change do to this POD.--DaBigUn 23:02, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Further back, the empires in the Americas would be totally different. Since it would even easier to settle the best lands, I would expect the powers-that-were in the early 1500s to flood west more quickly. Not just Spain and Portugal, but also the Italians and the Hanseatic Germans. Even further back, you'd have a different development in Polynesia with no sweet potato. Moving forward, the people of the Old World would never have access to such crops as corn/maize, potatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, tomatoes, tobacco, chocolate, vanilla... what a world! I like this fictional nation, though. From a strictly althistory point of view, "higher population" would probably not cause a civilization to emerge in that region, which in real life was one of the last places to be "civilized"... but if I just accept that as the premise, I think you're doing a great job with it. Benkarnell 23:36, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Colonization would actually slow down without Native Americans. Besides the Plymouth Colony, people don't realize how many European colonies would have failed without help from the natives. Furthermore some of the earliest colonies were successful not because of farming or minining, but because of trade with the Indians. With it taking longer for colonies to turn a profit less people would be interested in investing in them. Mitro 00:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, a lot would have failed, but still wouldn't some have been more dependent on their colonizing powers, or would have had a slightly easier time with colonization? not all would have failed, and certinaly by 1800's there would have been some colonies that were/did arise to new found powers r even started to produce some of the stuff that would not have existed (like corn/maze) not all would be lost in the new land.--DaBigUn 00:11, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

After all, the delaying of necessary supplies to the Roanoke Colony by the Spanish Armada may have had a hand in its legendary vanishing.

Yankovic270 00:18, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mitro, you're absolutely right, I wasn't thinking. Looking at Spain's progress, there's almost no way it could have gone faster - and that's because it was advanced by indovidual conquistadores carving out private fiefs, imposing themselves as overlords over an existing settled society. With no native society to conquer, the entire New QWorld would have resembled those places where the people died out before Europeans really moved in. Overall, these places remained almost totally undeveloped well into the 18th century: Costa Rica and the Bahamas come to mind. So you'd have slowly growing settler colonies, with perhaps a few people moving to the interior to get away from civilization.
Actually, I think that scenario could also leave openings for many different colonizers. There seems little chance that one or two powers could control all the rich lands of South America, for example. Probably there's great opportunity for small religious groups to create independent settlements, as well. Benkarnell 02:51, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

With no native Americans, the animals would have no fear of humans, which would mean hunting would be incredibly easy. Also, the early Norse colonies in Newfoundland would not have been wiped out by Native raids, which means by the time Columbus gets to the Americas, Maritime Canada could be populated with Norsemen.Oerwinde 23:35, July 31, 2011 (UTC)


I will be adopting this timeline, however it might take a while for me to do major editing. I need to find enough information on the Native impacts on European colonization. ChrisL123 21:34, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Early norse colonies

Will the early norse colonies keep contact with Europe or grow by themselves for 400 years or so until other Europeans arrive? They may inhabit most of the coast down to Maine by the time Columbus hits, then by the time real colonization efforts happen in the 1600s they could have whole nations with the fertile land on the St Lawrence as well as the cod fishing allowing for massive population growth.Oerwinde 06:45, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt they'd be able to. I mean, there would only be a few thousand or so inhabitants in this new land. Without the help of the natives to show them to grow crops, famine would be an issue. They would avoid it eventually but this farming process would be overwhelming. I suppose there would be a few visits to Europe but I still don't know yet. ChrisL123 07:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
In Labrador famine would be an issue due to the climate and the rocky terrain, but Newfoundland would prosper. The Norse colonies only failed because the natives wiped them out. Remember Europeans originally settled the maritimes because there was so much cod they could just dip a basket in and pull up a ton of fish. There would be no problem surviving there. Plus evidence was they brought livestock with them as well. The Plymouth colony needed the natives because the soil was sandy and they didn't know how to farm the sandy soil, and other colonies failed because the colonists were too worried about finding gold than planting food.
Norse colonization was originally to collect resources for Greenland, which was eventually abandoned due to the increasingly hostile climate. North America's milder climate and abundant resources, along with the shorter trip would likely see the migration of most of Greenland's norsemen. Livestock would likely be Sheep, which would adapt well to Newfoundland's terrain, so they have ample protein supply as well as wool. It would take a generation at most to figure out how to farm the terrain effectively, after 600 years they should have decently populated the area.Oerwinde 08:23, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

some think that natives americans lead to the dying off of prehistorical animals in the americas like saber-tooth tigers, mammoths ect. they believe that either over hunting or diseases cause them to die off.

I doubt that a flooded Bering Strait would have prevented prehistoric colonization of the Americas. They could have used canoes or early kayaks to travel the distance, which is how the Inuit travelled around Canada to Greenland. Probably would have taken longer and would have been more gradual, but there would have been people in the Americas before the Europeans arrived. Hlanus (talk) 06:33, June 14, 2013 (UTC)Hlanus

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