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Flag synthesisEdit

Does Portugal use the same flag as before? If so, then that flag's already on this site, in Category:OTL Flags. Benkarnell

Hmm...likely yes. E.G. The País del ORo flag is not the spanish because it's the merger of two -more or less- officially acknowledged flags.

concerning Portugal I will look if there is something interesting in flags of Madeira/Azores which is to be integrated. To be honest, I enjoy the flag-making thing, a lot of fun:) but the portuguese flag is already very nice in OTL, in my opinion... will see about that Xi'Reney 12:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. I thought about changing Hawaii's: I also like playing with flags. But all through 200 years, the dethroning of the Queen, annexation to the US, and statehood, Hawaiians kept the same flag. It didn't seem like they'd change it now after something so silly as a nuclear war. PS: what flag did you combine with Spain's to get the PdO flag? Benkarnell 16:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

País del OroEdit

The País del Oro is a combination of the Spanish flag with the - in OTL- inofficial flag of western Sahara as used by the POLISARIO rebels fighting Maroccan occupation ^^. Had doubts if Spain would accept Muslim symbols within his flag but strange things happen after a nuclear war ^^ --Xi'Reney 21:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Flag accuracy Edit

A personal note: the flags made myself that I insert here do of course not claim to be 100 % historically correctly. I research in the history of the national flags of regions, countries etc as far as possible. But as I am no major in Heraldry (and dont even know one in person:) I consider these images partially as art and fantasy - As I see it can be really exciting redrawing, combining flags ^^. So if any notes on historical accuracy of flags are to be made please direct it to me !! Thanks --Xi'Reney 16:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Guyana Cooperativa Edit

I tried this one out for the Guyanas. It combines elements of Guyana and Suriname. The three stars represents the hope for the unity of all three Guyanas. Benkarnell 18:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

VERY NICE BEN !! VEry nice flag: Highly appreciated ! inserted it in profile, links and galery here !! --Xi'Reney 19:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

ANZ flagEdit

a note on the australian flag, the federation star (the big one) has a number of point equal to the number of states plus one for the territories. This mean that the new flag should probably have one more point to represent new zealand. Also, considering it seem to have dropped the royals, it might have removed the union jack from its flag and moved the federation star up to replace it.--Marcpasquin 16:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

New Gallery Sistem Edit

starget by fero--Fero 03:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

i dont know why the space intercolumnes but you can fix that point, and add a |Colombian redirection to every country. based in wikipedia:Gallery_tag read that before do anything, thank you, remember push enter button before "Image:Flag..."--Fero 03:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

ANZ again Edit

Marc's concern (two sections up) was never addressed, but it's been bugging me lately and I'd like to mention it again. The ANZC's flag seems very unlikely to me, for several reasons. (1) The flags of Australia and New Zealand are very similar, and combining them, well, doesn't result in anything new, and this Commonwealth is certainly a new government. (2) The Commonwealth consists of much more than AU and NZ. It is also the legitimate successor to the US government and includes many islands, refugees, politicians, military units, and military hardware that once belonged to the USA. the ANZC is almost pan-Oceanian in scope: with the exception of a few territories, it is the power in the Pacific. I'd expect a new symbol that represents this broadness. (3) There is definitely no more connection with Britain, no Commonwealth of Nations, no monarchy, anymore. The Union Flag represents nothing more than the past system - a system that no doubt many blame for the state of the world that led to nuclear war. (4) This is just my own opinion, but both flags are extraordinarily boring, and proposals have been made for years and years that they should be changed. The flag reformers would have a very good reason to come out with new flags for the new country. I'd expect hundreds of designs, in fact, with the new one possibly having no resemblance to the old ones.

I think the current flag could work as a temporary solution - adopted upon the establishment of the Commonwealth in 199-whatever and kept until a permanent flag was adopted.

I also realize that it's ironic that I, the caretaker of Hawaii with its British-derived flag, am complaining about Australia-New Zealand's. But Hawaii has kept the same flag through 4 different governments - kingdom, republic, territory, and state - and seems highly unlikely to change it upon becoming a free state.

Sincerely, Benkarnell 18:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

@Marc

@Ben: You are right. The flag of the ANZC is ... becoming boring...It was the ververy first national flag I "created" - not much more than the "combine" thought- in order to try out inkscape...

All your points are reasonable and logical... so a new flag would only be appropriate. Any proposals wlcome, will thinks and research... --Xi'Reney 21:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

2 helpful links: New flag for Australia and New flag for New Zealand. A few pre-1983 Australian designs are on the one site, whereas I can only find one NZ design that predates Doomsday. [EDIT]: We'd need permission to use this one, but I like it: [1] Benkarnell 20:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Another idea: a rising sun was the symbol of ANZAC and featured on one of the Aussie flags in the first of the above links. Australia, New Zealand, hope for the future... it's all there in ANZAC. It also involves a shared historical and patriotic experience between the 2 countries that is far enough removed from the Cold War that it would not be too reminiscint of nuclear devastation. Hmm... let me think about this one. Benkarnell 21:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Here are three ideas, combined with XiReiney's original.

I've got my thoughts on #1 above.
I like the design of this a lot. It combines the Eureka flag (an early Aussie flag) with the United Tribes flag, used by the 19th-century Maori to present a united front to Britain. IMO it very nicely reflects both Australia and New Zealand, with a nod to the Commonwealth's indiginous people. The red-white-blue colors show that the past has not been completely forgotten. The colors are also those of the USA, and could symbolize the US government-in-exile, refugees, and military that were absorbed into the Commonwealth. Soon after, several former US territories also joined. The cons would be that the United Tribes flag is pretty obscure. Also, some might not like the red-white-blue, preferring a totally new color scheme.
This simply uses the Southern Cross motif in the traditional national colors of Australia and New Zealand (green & gold for Australia, black & white for NZ). It is modified from a real proposal made OTL in... 1983. The original was supposed to just be a new Aussie flag, so I made the black section more prominent to show the equal partnership. Pros: simple, unique, recognizable, and using the "local" colors rather than the "British Empire" colors of the old flags. Cons: nothing to represent America or the indiginous people.
Number 4 is inspired by the rising sun badge of the WW1-era ANZAC forces. ANZAC was a key episode in forming the Australian and NZ national identity, and it was an experience they shared. A number of new Aussie flag ideas over the years have used the sun motif. I think the sun and stars well together. This flag is in the same basic format as the old ones, which could be good or bad. The creation of a new, hopeful symbol - the rising sun - is a definite pro. A con could be that it is a military symbol, and after Doomsday war has probably lost all of its glamor.

Appreciate feedback, Benkarnell 03:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

ANZ Edit

THE CURRENT FLAG INCORPORATES aUSTRALIA AND NZ SO IT SHOULD BE KEPT

How about something like this one? — Hellerick

05:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I like it. Can you maybe make the black and green sections the same size? (An equal partnership and all that.) Benkarnell 19:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

if Benkarnell says its ok its ok with me Owen1983 20:58 23 March GMT

Well, here it is. But I don't like it. I'm a regular contributor to Flags Wiki, and I know the rules of the vexillology: "attention centre" of a flag is shifted hoist-ward from its geometrical centre. The flags of Portugal and Serbia are correct, this one is wrong. The green band will be unnoticeable in calm weather. — Hellerick 03:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Very Interesting discussion.and nice ideas for the flag of the Pacific Power... :) Thumbs up

My opinion: I think we dump the old ustralia and NZ combination flag once and for all... permission granted to delete *g To the proposal versions:

I would go for Hellericks idea as a basis... green/black is defintely ok as a basic colour scheme... as I travelled NZ for half a year now the black based flag showing a silver fern in front on black colour is much more popular then the blue UK-derived one..

due to the All Blacks, black caps , silver ferns etc...second pro: as the fern is a symbol for papua new guinea as well ... so maybe incorporate the silver fern on the black ground... keep the southern cross a the crucial point of both maps... As the green seems really to be not good according to Hellericks experience we might keep the blue as symbol for the Pacific ocean instead .. i will try to draw a idea version.. or put something in!!! :) thx --Xi'Reney 05:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the green colour. It's the fly side that tends to become unnoticeable when the flag is hanging (is not flowing). E.g. the national ensign of France features bands of unequal widths to neutralise this effect (blue — 30, white — 33, red — 37). I think the unequal biband is good: New Zealand's band is more narrow (because the nation is smaller), but it takes the prominent position at the hoist to balance it. To take this effect into consideration is more important for maritime flags, than for "land flags", and I believe ANZ is a sea power. — Hellerick

07:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I knew the basic hoist-fly rule, but I also know that to avoid offending people, many flags in OTL are vexilologically imperfect. (See ~45 oout of 50 US states adn most Canadian provinces.) But I like your justification - that the hoist is the more prominent position and therefore compensates for the fact that the black is smaller.

@XiReney - I think the fern flag is less likely, since the fern represents NZ and not Australia. It includes Papua - but at the time of the flag's adoption, Papua would not have been part of the commonwealth. So currently I like Hellerick's the best, along with Shauker's cross flag above (#2).

@Hellerick - Flags Wiki? That sounds wonderful? Can you share the link? Benkarnell 12:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Errr... I already did. Here I repeat it: w:c:flags — Hellerick

12:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I have found a problem with the flag its great but Australia is not represented Owen1983 23:39 24 March 2009 GMT

Rhodesia Edit

I have had some difficulty in making a flag for Rhodesia and I would like some help. I have done two separate versions which you can can see on the actual flags page. One is png and the other is jpg so be careful. If anyone has any ideas I would be grateful.

I think the idea is really clever - South African flag combined with Union "Jack". The one historical nitpick I could make is that the "sideways Y" flag was not invented until 1994 for Mandela's inauguration, and the Rhodesians would not have it as a model, and it certainly wouldn't have been a symbol of South Africa. Benkarnell 14:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I have a new idea based on the old South African flag before 1994. It is similar to the Grand Union flag of America before the Revolution but with the current Union flag of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with the orange stripes of the orange free state. There is more stripes to represent more regions. Here it is.

its a nice flage Owen1983

Hawaii Edit

There is so called "original flag of Hawaii" (a.k.a. "Kanaka Maoli") in the OTL, allegedly destroyed by the British in 1843, and currently used by some protesters. Probably it's appropriate to be used in this timeline. — Hellerick 15:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

That really is a fantastic flag! It's a shame they changed it. But would there be any real reason to go back and change it? The current flag has been used since the Kingdom period in Hawaii. It's about as old a symbol as can be for the islands. Benkarnell 16:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

This flag gives us some Hawaiian symbolism we can play with, e.g. it could be used in the naval ensign design.

Many Hawaiians seem not to like their flag. Probably because it looks like a combination of UK and US motifs, without anything Hawaiian in it. The question is, after the Doomsday, would they want to break their historical ties with Britain and America, or would they try to emphasize them? Frankly speaking, I'm not sure. — Hellerick

16:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Getting my flag in the gallery Edit

Hi, newbie here. This is SouthWriter, and my nation has just been added to the ALT! I designed a flag for the Piedmont Republic (officially The Republic of Piedmont [RoP, keeps it from being mistaken for Puerto Rico (PR)]. How do I get my flag in the gallery so it shows up on the list of nations?

Pretty much add it in like the other flags have. Mitro 04:34, January 13, 2010 (UTC)