Talk:Doomsday (1983: Doomsday)edit
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welcome. this is an easy way to know what was nuked and/or destroyed an what was not, more easy as read the complete timeline, You can complete this, but it must coincide with the Timeline --Fero 03:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Hawaii Claims
- How much land does Hawaii claim for itself? On the Hawaii (1983: Doomsday) page I wrote that it only claims a few Pacific islands. Should I change that? Benkarnell 04:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
mmm i was read hawaii clain all US states, but maybe y read wrong, cleam our list, your hawaii article sound good, let it in your way, i suposs U know what U do --Fero 04:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC) that is me
- Okay. The top of that page says Hawaii's the last piece of the USA. If I understand it, Hawaii thought of itself as part of the "Provisional American Government" until 1995. Then the Provisional Government ended and Hawaii officially became its own nation. It didn't claim anything outside the old State of Hawaii except a few islands. But I might have missed something too. Benkarnell 06:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- In the old TL there were now further details concerning hawaii except "a few still functioning airports"... and the stop of Pres. Bush. and the deadly liftoff of Reagan.
So I suggest we leave it the way Ben described it in Hawaii profile. Even if some Hawaiians might feel as the successor of the U.S. I doubt they would be able to reinstate control over the continental US within less than a 100 years, given the fact that only 4 islands left and in the first years after DD it'S all about survival and local security, now day dreams of empire. Later on (see terrotorial dispute conclusion in 2005) they would look for Islands, especially for food resources, fishing grounds... hmmm. will have to look about ocean legislature as well.... touch--Xi'Reney 07:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)ed that theme in my thesis.. :)--Xi'Reney 07:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- OK. In my mind Hawaii thinks of itself as the successor to the State of Hawaii, not the entire USA. Maybe they would want to participate in any _future_ colonization of the Mainland, but I don't think they could legitimately claim it right now. I'll make the changes, because I think we all agree. Benkarnell 23:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC) (P.S.) I think it's reasonable that Hawaii could have claimed Okinawa, but probably Australia/New Zealand would have a better claim on it. Benkarnell 23:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Question: Corcega, Javanese Empire?
Hey,,,
what country/territory is Corcega and Javanese Empire supposed to be?? :) Thinking of more details to come ? :)--Xi'Reney 14:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Head of State before doomsday list" based in Category:Heads_of_state_by_country-wikipedia
"Head of State before doomsday list" based in Category:Heads_of_state_by_country-wikipedia --Fero 19:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I think you mean [1] Mr.Xeight 23:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
[edit] list of Doomsday nuked event start time
based in list of time zone Wikipedia open to help --Fero 18:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- The time zones for Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, and Sidney are wrong. — Hellerick
07:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed. I used the time zone map at wikipedia. SouthWriter 04:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Format
Can someone imporve the format of the page? On my compute one of the list boxes is sitting on top of another. Mitro 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
- Done. It took longer than I expected. I alphabetized the nuked city chart as well. SouthWriter 04:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Not a good idea to list all the nuked places.
I don't think it's a good idea to list all the places that got nuked. Assuming that this was a total war between the U.S and NATO vs. Russia and the Warsaw pact vs. China there would have been well over 1000 cities and military targets that would have been hit. It's totally impractical to try and list them all. Instead why don't we give a short list about how each region in all of these countries were effected?--ShutUpNavi 18:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- It may be difficult to list ALL of them -- I think we should go along the lines of the idea that if we KNOW a place was nuked, we write it down. If we're not sure, then we should leave it until such time as it's decided that a place was nuked. Make sense? Just like QAA. Louisiannan 14:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sure, especially since we need to know what places are unlivable when we start creating new survivor nations in the ruins of North America and Eurasia. Mitro 14:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- As I said elsewhere, we've handled this on a regional basis. I know where all the nukes landed in US Pacific territories, for example. This list will probably only be complete when the whole world has been fleshed out to a greater degree than it is now. [edit] A lot of this page is inaccurate anyway - somebody went through and wrote "UAR" next to a lot of incorrect places. Benkarnell 16:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- When and if you add cities, be sure to insert them in alphabetical order. I found that adding a single city with adjoining columns is easier in source code than with advanced editor, but that's just me. SouthWriter 04:16, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Canada
It occur to me that a place which is both so large and have such a low density of population as Canada would require lots of largely autonomous regional government. With that, some might feel the urge to go at it alone and one such place I would propose would be the Republic of Saguenay-Lac-St-Jean in the Quebec region of the same name. With both the commercial (Montreal) and political (Quebec city) capitals probably destroyed, the survivors might have moved up north to a region which would not have attracted nukes. the survivors would have been joined by remnant of the local units of the canadian army and of the Militia. They would be opposed by the loyalist quebec government in Kuujjuaq (the largest village in the northern Quebec region of Nunavik).
Other places with self-declared states would be in Alberta (with its vast reserve of petrol) and in some First Nations reserves.
Finaly, with the goverment being up north, it might contain a lot more inuits in the public service.--Marcpasquin 15:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Unity League
I've decided to roll the nations of the Delian League-The surviving Greek islands that harkened back (in terms of their name at least) to the Golden Age of Greece. Islamic Empire of Turkey-After the secular government was nuked to death, heavily-Islamic rebels filled the void of power and created what was left of Turkey into the name above. Recently, secularism has returned to Turkey. Cyprus-The Model of the Unity League, the native Greeks, Turks, British, and Americans living on the military base there decided to put the past behind them and rebuild into quite a stable and thriving nation. I haven't worked out the details but I'm sure by 1987-1990, Greece and Turkey would be repopulated (albeit not as densely as before. Obviously the nuked areas are still off-limits) By 2000 with secularism back in Turkey, the two nations would decide it would be in their mutual benefit to form one conglomerate nation, with Cyprus following. Eastern Orthodoxy and Islam are the main religions (there really is no official), Greek and Turkish are the main languages, and the residency of the leader (I was thinking of the government having a democratically elected Emperor/Sultan, thus balancing republicanism with the old habits of imperialism of both of the nations' histories. I was also thinking their could be a vice-president (another element of republicanism) which would be the opposite ethnicity of the Sultperor (a rather lame blend of the words, I know).
- Sounds good, except for the repopulation. That would be very difficult what with the violent conditions on the Mainland. Also, the surviving Greeks and Turks have much lower birth rates because of radiation and would not be able to fill the space. Most of the islands and some defensible coastal regions, I would think. Benkarnell 20:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
How long is it before people can return to an area affected by radiation? I would at least hope that Athens, Thessaloniki, Constantinople, and Ankara can at least be repopulated. I was thinking of rebuilding the historic buildings lost in the war such as the Parthenon, Hagia Sophia, Topkapi Palace, etc with a more "blended" twist to the remakes.
- I'm not sure how long the radiation lasts, but I think the barriers to rebuilding would be security and safety and money and resources more than radiation. Benkarnell 02:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
- Radiation reaches levels safe for travel and decontamination within 3-5 weeks. MUCH earlier than I expected. I was thinking more like 20 years. Reconstruction of Hiroshima began in 1949, 4 years after the bomb hit.--Oerwinde 07:51, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
- Even so, reconstruction would still be an enormous project, even if it is safe to go through. As you said, reconstruction of Hiroshima was rebuilt after four years... but that was with the resources of a whole country. Our Doomsday nations would not be up to it, I think... save perhaps the ANZC (and the SAC, but they don't have any nuked cities). --DarthEinstein 17:19, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I didn't say Hiroshima was rebuilt in 4 years, I said reconstruction began 4 years after the bomb fell. I think it took much longer than 4 years, and they had international aid. But with this knowledge, I think it likely that Canada would rebuild Halifax and attempt to reclaim the toronto area peninsula(not sure what its called). Australia would rebuild, the rest likely wouldn't have the resources or desire for reconstruction.--Oerwinde 00:17, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
- Actually I don't think they would rebuild Halifax. I'm not Nova Scotian, but as far as I can tell, other cities could play the role of major port without Halifax. Reconstruction would be a large investment, and I don't see there being any large reward. However after the war I think Canada would attempt to rebuild Quebec City, which is in a strategically significant position. Toronto is fairly far away from Canada's zone of control. It is in fact closer to Superior, I think. --DarthEinstein 02:47, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I didn't say Hiroshima was rebuilt in 4 years, I said reconstruction began 4 years after the bomb fell. I think it took much longer than 4 years, and they had international aid. But with this knowledge, I think it likely that Canada would rebuild Halifax and attempt to reclaim the toronto area peninsula(not sure what its called). Australia would rebuild, the rest likely wouldn't have the resources or desire for reconstruction.--Oerwinde 00:17, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
- Even so, reconstruction would still be an enormous project, even if it is safe to go through. As you said, reconstruction of Hiroshima was rebuilt after four years... but that was with the resources of a whole country. Our Doomsday nations would not be up to it, I think... save perhaps the ANZC (and the SAC, but they don't have any nuked cities). --DarthEinstein 17:19, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
- Rebuilding Quebec City would also be a symbolic gesture to the French Canadians as well. Of all the cities to be reconstructed, the Quebec capital getting the priority could solidify french support. Heck, it could be designated as the federal district and become the capital of Canada.--Oerwinde 06:56, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
- You're right, it would be a symbolic gesture too. But I'm not sure that it would be the right place for the federal district, as it would be fairly vulnerable to the remnants of the Lawrence Raiders and to Saguenay if they decide to attack again. --DarthEinstein 15:43, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
It could happen... some time later. Hiroshima was re-built... I think Nagasaki did too... and the idea of re-poblating the greek cities, trying to reduce radiation in more polluted areas and going into the mainland, rebuilding monuments would be excellent. Also, for the Greek-Turkish union... the capital could be in Ankara or Delphi (modern city)... both small towns that I think weren't nuked. -Fedelede 22:27, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry everyone-the Unity League was scrapped. It sort of branched off into the Confederation of Greece and whatever the Hell happened to Turkey. Mr.Xeight 02:54, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
- I realize that, but I had been working based on a greatly overestimated timeframe for radiation to reach safe levels. So when I saw this question I looked it up and had to respond.--Oerwinde 06:56, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
List of nuclear tests Hiroshima is not the same that Plumbbob, atenas gonna be hard to clear and repopulat--Fero 02:57, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
