There would be enormous changes in the rest of East and Southeast Asia. With no unification of China, Confucianism would remain just one of several popular philosophies. With no Mandate of Heaven, and concomittant notion of one legitimate Emperor (no title of Emperor either, for that matter), political relations would be very different. Japan might remain ununified, too, for that matter, Tang Dynasty China having been the model behind which the Yamato uji consolidated its influence over the other uji into a nation-state. Unification might still have occurred, but it would've been slower and more gradual. At the same time, without a powerful China to compete with Japan, Japanese influence over Korea might remain strong, with at least parts of it under Japanese rule. Nik 09:24, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)
Well. Myself I am a little sceptic that with such POD would, after one an a half century, not provoked bigger changes in Europe or the Middle East... But the hipotes I am using is that no unified China would not mean a weak China, but it might mean a stronger China overall if there is competition between the different states. Much as it happened in Europe.
I am exploring, however a much later POD.
the premise would still be that the *Mongols do not complete the conquer of a divided China, either because some states ally with them or even defend themselves, while the *Mongols go further west in Europe, pushing a second Dark Ages.
As the Chinese get free from the *Mongols, they go through some Renaissement and an age of exporation motivated by competition.
--Carlos Th 10:09, 27 Mar 2005 (EST)
1421[]
If you've read the book 1421: The Year China Discovered the World by Gavin Menzies, you could consider the Forbiden City not being hit by lightning, or installing lightning rods onto the roof (before you ask, the Greeks used lightning rods on the roofs of at least one temple), and continuing the expansion of Chinese trade throughout the world. I have a few ideas regarding this matter:
- A Chinese Trade Hegemony:
- Asia - China, India, Japan, Korea, Siam, Cochin, Laos, Kampuchea, Annam, Tonkin, Turkmenistan, Persia, Ottoman Empire, Malacca, Srivijaya, Majapahit, Khanate of Sibir
- The Americas (Fotuna) - Aztecs, Incas, possibly the Musgogean, Iroquois or Algonquian tribes
- Africa - Songhai, Kanem-Bornu, Bakongo, Luanda, Morocco, possibly Mali
- European allies - Great Britain, Portugal, Netherlands, Vennice, possibly France, Spain, Denmark and Sweden
- Portugal failing to capture Ceuyta
- Pope getting a bit miffed after a while
- Tries to stop Christian states from trading with China
- Britain and the Netherlands take no notice, as they are Protestant
- Portugal and Venice find loophole, by trading with India instead
- Pope finaly gives in, and lets trade with China continue
- Joint European-Chinese technological advancement
I have already started a timeline such as this at home.
--Sikulu 14:15, 29 Sept 2005 (BST)
Conquering Rome and London[]
5 years is an extremely short amount of time between Rome being taken and London, given the modes of transportation back then.
- The Mongols conquered everything between Mongolia and the Mediterranean in, what, twenty years? Atinoda 22:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Maps[]
The maps need to be labeled. It's hard to understand without labels. --Hacen