Talk:Battle for Earth Reloaded (Map Game)

Can I play?, the game is still going?, Bauglir Zero 01:35, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

We didn't start yet, so yes. Best if you read this and this first. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:41, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll Bauglir Zero 01:45, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I have a problem, my hypotetic alien nation is a racial confederacy, six races in total, and each one has its own weakness and strengths. For example the T**** are a low gravity species, but reproduct like rabbits. The K**** are an high gravity species and have "weak genetic diversity". Can I do that?, or better just play as a single-race alien nation? Bauglir Zero 23:52, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

You can do that, but you have to balance it out. I wouls say that you should choose the best unique ability of your main race, and then the rest can be "extras" of sorts. Monster Pumpkin 00:07, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Oh :D, ok then its easier, thank you Bauglir Zero 00:17, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Resurection

I feel like I keep bringing my race (the Caborr) back to life to like just to be killed again. Anyone else? I've also played as France for all three games. CourageousLife 21:54, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Regenetech for the win all the way. Currently I feel sad for not taking my historic Canada again, but I have taken the nation that I wanted that last two games. AMERIKKKA! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:27, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Umm, racist much? Ameri - KKK- a? Lol I hope that was an accident :D CourageousLife 22:49, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, yeah, it was an accident. Read: Hitler's pronunciation of America. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, okay! Funny coincidence... CourageousLife 23:37, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Let's see...

Hitler = Racist = KKK = Most white Americans = not Scrawland - not = Scrawland = colored.

Keyword: MINUS not

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:41, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

So what are you trying to say? You're colored (I have no problem at all just trying to confirm)? Am I following your logic correctly? CourageousLife 23:57, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you follow me right. Albeit, I am white in skin color yet of Asian descent. AMERICKA! (Does that sound better than AMERIKKKA?) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:07, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Lol sorry if im being picky! Don't wanna get personal or invade anybody's privacy! CourageousLife 01:12, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

The German spelling was Amerika, so some hippie groups used that spelling in attempt to make America seem fascist. Amerikkka is used by the black nationalists in their crazed ramblings. LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:11, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the info. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mod Rules

Looking at your rules for who becomes mod, that kinda narrows it down to 6-7 people, because only 12 people have ever made 3000 edits, and some of those- like say LG, who has the most edits on this wiki- don't play map games!Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 17:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

even I only have about 2650 edits.-Lx ^{(leave me a message)} 16:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

That is why we have the "exceptions" part. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have I think 5200 edits :) PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 13:15, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sooooo............

so......when does this thing start?Wegscuba 03:23, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, when? Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 18:51, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

When everything is settled and all right. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Realism of the Aliens

How realistic do the aliens need to be? I know they can have telekinesis, so they obviously don't need to be super realistic, but are their limits (any unrealism I would do would be serious, not some stupid joke like Taco Gazelles). LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:20, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, they obviously cannot be all powerful. Generally, I would say use checks and balances, if they have a good ability, give them a good weakness. Then it should be fine. Monster Pumpkin 02:32, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not thinking power, I'm thinking biology. For example, would a species that is incorporeal (like a ghost) be allowed? (this isn't what I am planning) LurkerLordB (Talk) 02:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Probably not. Monster Pumpkin 03:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No, that would not be allowed. This is specifically mostly a sci-fi thing, not a fantasy world. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Brazil

Hey, look there are two "Braziles", Bauglir Zero 19:31, June 23, 2012 (UTC).

Not anymore. I am now the sole owner of all of Brazil. And the central galaxy, etc, etc.

And who might you be? The Central Galaxy? That is the outlawed zone. No one in the center because nothing can live there. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

My bad, it was Guns, and i meant the area around that. Not the actual center. the area around it.

Of course, now looking at the map I see there isn't any of that.... so I'll change it to the edges, I suppose. Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 20:31, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nukes

Ive been thinking, most of the good map games invole less advanced technology, where people do not have the ability to kill each other from across the planet with the press of a button. So, here's what I propose - at the start of the game, one of the Mod-Controlled species detonates a device in the atmosphere that renders all nukes and long-range missiles. This way, the humans cannot threaten each other with nukes and will (possibly) open the door to WW3 on earth without total destruction of the planet. I also propose that no alien nations have the power to destroy a planet. Thoughts? CourageousLife 18:04, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm just saying, thats a little odd. Today humans could probably do it- if they had a few hundred trillion dollars and wanted to. We have the tech... how about something like, the object on Mars extended a massive EMP charge which prevents any of the Inner solar system and the sun from being destroyed, as well as limiting nukes? Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 18:45, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, most of us do have the power to destroy planets, and mod races stars, but that is against the rules. It says not to blow things up but to threaten to do that. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Wait if most factions have WMDs but they cant use them,cant these species simply just use their WMDs to wipe out cities or regions and human WMDs on alien craft and the same thing as the aliens with WMDs.Capt.stark1972 (talk) 23:00, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Are We Starting?

We should get this thing on the road. CrimsonAssassin 19:13, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

We can't start until the galaxy map is complete... which could take some time...Kronicsunflower 16:08, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Whose turn is it? The mechs suddenly turned up in 2nd after ahlose was done soo... Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 19:00, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

People, please be faster with the galactic map. I'm impatient, sorry Bauglir Zero 03:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think its because no one knows whose turn it is to do the map... because someone put the mechs in front of something already done so bob doesn't know if he should go, and neither does the mechs guy... course thts solved now =D Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 21:00, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. Next person please! Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:03, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. And in regards to the map, the Polarans claim no worlds. Is it possible for me to add the location of their worldships and their trajectories instead? --"Truth fears no questions..." 21:12, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. If they "claim no worlds," then where the heck did they come from? A black hole? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:16, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

You can't come from a star. >.> Do you know anything about science or history, honestly? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 21:20, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Scrawland read this about the Polarans, the Polarans consumed they homeworld, now they are nomadic people, its simple. Bauglir Zero 21:32, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I just read the Pradedonii are nomadic (pirates in fact). Bauglir Zero 21:55, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

By the rate we're going, this map will be done in 5 months :( Sasafred12 22:08, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but he claims that the homeworld is Polaris, the North Star.

Also, if they are nomadic pirates, they don't need to be on the map, since they wouldn't have a nation to come from or anything. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:12, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a planet orbiting Polaris?, I guess they could be in the map with the actual position of their ships. Do we really need to wait for this map?. Can't the mods do it? please?, it would be easier and faster.Bauglir Zero 22:28, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. People decide where their own nations are. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 22:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since when did I say the Polarans were pirates or that they came from a black hole or star? Scrawland, are you reading the articles, or justing looking for reasons to insult me? --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:19, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? Where are you getting this? We're talking about PRAEDONII. THey're pirates. Also, on the page, it says that they come from the "northern star of Polaris." That's a star. It is you who has insulted me by putting words in my mouth. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:23, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

"No. If they "claim no worlds," then where the heck did they come from? A black hole?" and "You can't come from a star. >.> Do you know anything about science or history, honestly?". Hence, my belief you were speaking of me and the pirates. I wasn't trying to insult you, just trying to understand why your going on asking if I know anything of science without even reading the Polarans' article first. You insulted me by questioning my intelligence. --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Those two quotes were about you, yes. And I have read the article. It makes mention of the homeworld. The least you could do is say that it went around Polaris. Either way, you are aware that Polaris is not in the Milky Way Galaxy, right? That is why I questioned your knowledge. Also, if they mine worlds that are already owned, war would happen, and any of our races would blow up all your ships with the snap of a finger. You might want to rethink your whole story. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 23:46, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I like them the way they are. I'll continue work on the Polarans, and give you some idea of the size and power of their ships. Hopefully that will explain why they've survived the last 200,000 years of space-faring. --"Truth fears no questions..." 23:57, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Nineteen races and nations have the power to blow up whole stars. If you think a ship the size of any world can resist that, good luck. I've seen that picture, and it's nothing compared to the superweapons that exist. Look at the old pages of the Regenetech, Dravimos, and Terran Empires, and see this as well. No amount of your ships' size and power can escape us. Especially since you're not a mod. Also, if you don't have the hyperdrive, you can't go beyond a star system. Just cause you like it doesn't mean anything. If it doesn't fit with existing canon, it will rendered null and void and obsolete. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:08, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, well not unless I'm friends with the other nations and not yourself. Plus, whether I like them or not means nothing. I like them as I've made them. Why are you so arrogant? It sounds more like your bragging now. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:13, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Look, the mods nations are allied. Regenetech+Dravimos+Azaranian+Ahlose+Mechs (sort of). The Terrans don't count because he's not playing this game. No one else has this power. Besides, only one of these nations is controlled by me. The others are Monster Pumpkin, LxCaucassus, CourageousLife, and CrimsonAssassin. You can't undo a 75 million year old alliance. There's no enemies of us who could potentially cause any damage to us. You're calling me arrogant? I'm telling the truth. It's blunt and straight forward. If "Truth asks no questions" you shouldn't question the truth. I'm telling you now, before anything happens in the game: You are at the risk of being attacked by powerful nations due to your habit of mining planets that are owned. Simply put, if any of us had any control at all over time before this game, your nations would have been attacked. I'm being perfectly honest to you--any attack towards you would only result in your defeat. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:42, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Allow me to return to the original topic: Please correct that your people come from Polaris, because that is out of the galaxy. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'll correct the issue. And I'll be sure to avoid attacking your worlds. Additionally, I was unaware of the alliances as I didn't know that all of the mods had race pages, only a few. And I ask but a simple question. If a worldship can be destroyed by a star-destroying weapon, then so can a planet. If a planet can be destroyed by that weapon, then it must get to that planet to destroy it, in which a fleet must be deployed to stop it. If a worldship and its accompanying aramada cannot stop it, then the fleet can't. This means mod empires are thus invinsible, and wars against them are thus one-sided. I'm could be wrong, but I thought it was an interesting cycle thing to bring up. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:52, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

And I only added the quote as I thought it sounded rather nice. It has no bearing on my personal ideals. --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:54, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and Polaris is in the galaxy, as it is 434 lightyears from Earth. [1] --"Truth fears no questions..." 00:57, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh right, I forget this many a times. Long explanation which you can only understand by watching me life story. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:07, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

That is not entirely true. We are stoppable and definitely uninvincible, as has been proven in the last two games. It is very complex to explain, in fact.
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-	46 million years ago, the Fourth Great Galactic War swept, well, the galaxy!
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-	Deregen, the Imperial homeworld, was a huge target for the AoA. And by this I mean, if they could destroy that, they had the war won.
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-	The infamous Terran super destroyer, NovasTerras, and its escort approached Deregen. Quickly, the Executor was deployed, and NovasTerras was destroyed before it could start its systems.
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-	However, this is complex, and depends on variables very much. Most of the time, NovasTerras would have been ready and attacked before the Executor could strike. However, with enough strength (which most nonmod nations do not have), NovasTerras was stopped in its track. So, we are not unstoppable, but we are for the most part not that stoppable either. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:07, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well you've proved me wrong. I'm sorry. --"Truth fears no questions..." 01:09, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Right then. Sorry for all the trouble, and add your worldships when it's your turn. Use dots. Make sure they're not the same color as anything on the map already. Also, be sure they're not in anyone's territory. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes sir. --"Truth fears no questions..." 01:13, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, I'm just saying... it doesn't seem fair that the 5 most powerful nations are all allied. I think that counts as ganging up on the non mods. Maybe there should be 2 factions, like Regentech and Azaranizn vs Dravimos, Mech, and Ahlose.Vir prudens non contraventum mingit 00:44, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Getting things moving

At the rate we are going, two problems are emerging.

First off, we're not going to be done editing the map until december if this goes on. I propose- of course I'm not a mod, it is not up to me- that we leave a message on the talk page of the next person after each turn. Then wait two days if they haven't done it leave another message and wait 5 days then put their name at the bottom of the list. When we come to them next, we give them 3 days (having left another message) and then remove them from the list or place something the size of the Soram empire on there randomly.

Which brings me to the second problem, that due to the VAST amount of space the Azaranian and Regentech empires have, by the time the last player puts his country on the map, we're not going to be able to see it. 5 people are done and it is already starting to get cramped. I propose, again, that we slightly- SLIGHTLY- downsize both empires a tiny, tiny bit.

By the way, we should really have the large and small magellanic clouds on here. And this is SO not a map of the milky way, because the milky way is a barred spiral, not a free spiral.

Vir prudens non contraventum mingit (talk) 07:57, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'va lef messages to two or three people reminding them its their turn, and 2'. Its necessary to make "space" to the new nations, even when 2 or 3 are nomadic. Bauglir Zero (talk) 14:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Why is there a section that says forbidden on the main page?Guns (talk) 10:28, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

HEY! PEOPLE! This thing is going dead before it has even started, and this seems pretty interesting, so can we move with the map?Guns (talk) 11:06, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

still waiting for bob, also if the praedoni are nomadic how do they have territory on the map? Axyljohnson

Draw dots that show where the worldships or whatever are. Use a new color and make sure they aren't in any one else's territory. Guns (talk) 13:19, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

At the rate things are going, there won't be any space left for the ships. Kronicsunflower (talk) 20:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Resign

I am resigning, anyone can take control of the Skaven now, I'm done. Bobalugee1940 (talk) 20:18, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Death

This is dead right? Guns (talk) 07:06, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

NO! We can still rescue this.. maybe. The main problem at the moment is finishing the map. Now the mods have taken control of the whole map thing but they don't seem to have finished it. All they need to do is finish the map and then we can start, surely? Kronicsunflower (talk) 16:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

<grimace>

The mods have forgotten. This game... iss over. Time for BFE R&R

The Royal Guns (talk) 06:12, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

forget that,lol! Whoo! Look out Earth! The Royal Guns (talk) 11:04, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Global Elite Force

Ok just to be clear aside from a couple of human countries,this game should have an elite force to battle aliens trying to destroy mankind and well conquer earth.Its sort of like an organization similar to X-COM when each month it gains funding from the nations of the world and it increases or decreases depending on performance and well I was just thinking we need to agree wether we should include that elite force,should earth's conventional forces fail to stall the invasion from either alien faction.Example:If the Terrans attempt to exterminate mankind and everyone else is busy elsewhere and earth's conventional military fails to stop them then the leaders of the world form that exact organization.Plus we also need a cool name to this organization.Sooo does anyone agree to make this elite force and any suggestion for a cool name for that exact

&nbsp Te organization?Capt.stark1972 (talk) 23:02, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

How will it work if my species is nomadic? I don't have any territory so should I just say where my fleet is or add territory in or what?Kronicsunflower (talk) 19:36, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

@Capt: No. A definitive no. Because there are aliens defending Earth and those attacking it.

@Kronic: You're the blue dots scattered on the map.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum.

We need more people. The Royal Guns (talk) 08:45, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Warpgates and Mining from the sun . . .

If you look at the Terran Empire page, I have noted that the Terran Empire builds their vessels by warping in different parts from thousands of Forge Worlds, where they are put together. I have also said that the Terrans literally mine the sun, the high-energy particles that make solar flares. Is that all right? [EDIT] I got the warp gate idea from the Protoss in StarCraft and the mining the sun from Spin by Robert Charles Wilson- the Hypotheticals. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 14:00, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really think you mine a star. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:12, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite "mining" a star, but more collecting the high energy particles that make a solar flare and such . . . PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 19:27, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that stuff is just electrified gas, not really much particles...

Much smarter idea is to do what we Centrians do: Mine the Gas giants. They're found on pretty much every system, are rich in hydrogen, and the pressure is so high you can actually get a floating city. So, abundance, fuel, population, all taken care of.

The Royal Guns (talk) 11:03, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

And yet, even if a small amount was particles, imagine the huge energy output! A big enough solar flare can cause blackouts in a place 93 million miles away. And think of how many solar flares there are . . . and even if there aren't solar flares, there's still a lot of high energy particles on the other places on the sun. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 13:43, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well, apart from heat and magnetism...

You have to get REALLY close to get any real amounts of energy. And it doesn't matterhow thick those SS walls are... We're talking hundreds of billions of tons of plasma.

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:50, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Harry Potter

Also, on a totally unrelated note, who do you think would win in a Muggle/Muggleborn vs Pureblood/Voldy and Co./MoM War? Thanks :) PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 14:04, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

??? MoM? (Forgive my ignorance) The Royal Guns (talk) 13:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ministry of Magic. :) PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 13:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

OHH ok.

Kinda obvious... Voldy kills lots of humans. Humans are forced to nuke London. Voldy turns it around and hits NY. Just as all seems the worst, Ghost from MW2 jumps out of the game and kicks Voldy up the...

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:59, August 11, 2012 (UTC) I really think th

New Turn

Shouldn't we start the next year now?Kronicsunflower (talk) 13:34, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thinkest so. Also, I really think that the Mechs should be on the Soram/Hanzen/Terran side, since we don't have democrists....

The Royal Guns (talk) 13:46, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

So... can we start?

The Royal Guns (talk) 14:00, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

If we don't speed up the turns, then this game will be abandoned pretty soon. Kronicsunflower (talk) 08:45, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Map editing

Are we allowed to edit the map ourselves, or do we leave it for the mods? Kronicsunflower (talk) 19:28, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mods. Where do you want your ships?

@Guns and Kron: The Mech are neutral, and we have Democrists, they're just not on the map.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:41, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Lower four ships moving towards each other (including the one sorrounded by Hanzen, Dravimosian and Ahlose territory as I have a treaty with the Ahlose to move through theirs) as fast as I am allowed (I have hyperdrive) and the higher two also moving towards each other. Kronicsunflower (talk) 19:44, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll make an exception. You seem like a good and plausible player, so I'll allow you to edit the map. Just use the full size map. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 19:58, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Errr... I am not exactly an expert in this area... Perhaps that would not be a good idea.

~ Kronicsunflower

OK then, I'll see if I can do it right. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:09, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Epic Map Game Disputes of History

Scrawland Scribblescratch

VS.

Vivaporius

(Anyone catch the joke there?)

• I know what your talking about, but the Death Star was canonically explained to be the size of a small moon. My worldships are designed to safely house billions of people. Safely. Frome Wikipedia: "The first Death Star was 160 kilometers in diameter, while the second Death Star was 900 kilometers in diameter." Jupiter is 71,492 kilometers in diameter.
• Yes, so my Death Star is 142984 in diameter. All one hundred and twenty three of them.
• I've got way more world ships than tham my friend. Way more. But I'll let you have that. Respect.
• Hmm...you have more than 200 worldships which can apparently hold planets and sustain billions of sentient creatures. You're going a bit far into the ASB land there buddy. I know this is an ASB game, but we have limits. Let me do some quick calculations as to how many cubic kilometers your shipp are and how much they would cost. I'll give you a number of 950 ships. Say they're 75,000 km in diameter. So all of them would be 71,250,000 total km in d. Now let's calculate surface area. 4 x pi x 35625000^2 equals: 15948491455489344, rounded to the nearest whole. Now let's say each cu km costs you $500 OTL. Grand total: 7,974,245,727,744,717,369 rounded to the nearest whole. And then you would have to sustain all the people on board, not to mention keep the ship in good shape, which should cost you about a billion dollars every year. You would have to mine at least 275 worlds to come up with that money, and that would take you fifteen years. So you would have had to sustain the then population, which I'll put around 75 million for plausibility's sake. And that would cost you about 15 million each year, and that number will increase exponentially Then there's the cost of mining. Say 750000 dollars every year. So let's throw all the numbers in now. Holy *#%@#@%#$^#&%&&$%(^&($#%@!$@~#!#!@##^#!@%#^#$^@346#@%@!^@!! This is a huge ass number that no calculator can do. Quick! Someone find me the world's greatest calculator! Viva, this number is insane, but I'll do it anyways. $1.24893508771064235511740234375E+56!!!!!! See? Bull. It would take 1000 generations and the strip mining of seventy thousand galaxies to come up with that number. So bring your numbers down. Drastically. ~ Your Mathematical friend, Scraw.
• Guys, if you're gonna argue about whose is bigger, save it for the talkpage lol
• XD Well I'm arguing that his are way too expensive.
• And your's aren't? My race is 18 million years old. It took them 350,000 years to strip mine their own world. Several millions of years later, they have perfected the technology to stripmine planet (look at the picture on their page). Now the math is amazing, could never do that myself anytime. However, it only counts if money is used the way you say. The way money works in another species doesn't count then if that is the case. Now, considering my ships are shells which have the space to fit two Mars inside, and your have ships that are twice the size of Jupiter meaning you can fit countless hundreds of Mars' inside of them, I have no reason beyond a doubt to say this is BS. Your logical friend, Viva.
• That logic is incorrect. It cannot fit two Jupiters inside of it. Let me illustrate. The diameter is 142984. Two Jupiter, placed adjacently, would be larger in diameter. Why? Because, Jupiter is almost a perfect sphere. Mine are 142984 in diameter, but they're cylinders, not spheres. They're like three pennies glued together. See? And I have less than 150 of those. And your entier idea of a peoples who stripmine world that have populations and fly around on worldships is BS. As is your idea that you reign in naval combat. Now, if you wiped out your planet, where did you find the stuff to build you ships, eh? As is somehow obtaining someone else's DNA. And surviving a supernova? Even bigger BS. As a a matter of fact, where are you getting the images?
• What do the images have to do with anything? And furthermore, side by side, the two Jupiters would not fit. On top of each other as cylinders, then yes. Also, I explained the manner in which the Polarans strip mine the planets, you just didn't read appearently. Also, I explained how the Polarans got the materials, but you didn't read that as well. And even more so is the fact that these guys are 18 million years old. Getting someone's DNA, using the the equivalent of dyson spheres, and possessing the technology to strip planets of their resources, is something I think an advanced species would be able to accomplish. Your think too small in terms of technology. Really small. In fact, I'm sure half the people here would agree with me.
• It was just a question. Why do you have to take it like that? And a cylinder is not like a toilet paper tube. It can also be 1/2 inch tall and still be a cylinder. They would not fit inside the Death Stars in any way. Go back to geometry and learn 3D shapes again. First of all, without a stable home base to return to, if you started mining a planet, given they were strong enough, its inhabitants could crush you. And if you think I can't read, at least I can spell. And screw 18 million, I'm nearly ten times as old as that, not to mention the Dravimos, Azaranian, Caborr, Mech, Terran, Soram, and Hanzen. Your so-called "advanced" species pales in the face of these Empires, particularly the Regen, Terran, Mech, and Azaranian ones. You would fail in gathering supporters for your BS. I am not narrow minded. You think too ridiculously. I am plausible. And I don't want to add this, but the first two games went smoothly without people like you who expect that they can be like Bedouins but still be very strong. This is not a willy-nilly game where you think like a seven year old child with wild imagination. (Admittedly, I have an untamed wild imagination too, but I can control it.) You have to think plausibly. Next time you want to create some bull technology, think. You can't have a superlaser that can blow up the Milky Way and Andromeda Galaxies. You can't invent a machine that turns everything into goop like a TV show. Think. Use your brain. Think if it can be done.
• And I take it you've never heard of DNA replication or dyson spheres? Well, you've shouted your opnion loud and clear. I concede.
• My father is a geneticist. I am almost as well versed in it as he is. I've learned from one of the best. If your people are machine, how are you going to be able adopt a living creature's DNA? Machines don't have DNA.
• And Dyson spheres are hypothetical and largely impossible. I hope yer smart enough to realize the last piece is false.
• Classy. First, from what I've read, its been said that dyson spheres aren't possible with current technology. Once again 18 million year old race may have mastered this on a smaller scale. And I'm sure I said bio-mechanical. And no disrespect to your father, but he is one man, and my research has come from several people skilled in the same profession. Google is an amazing thing. Plus, your father is using infomation built up over the last 200 years. The Polarans are using knowledge built up over the last 18 million. And the Polarans don't start off as machines. The weakness itself makes no sense anymore since I contridicted myself. I make mistakes. Perfectly normal. Hmm...I need to fix this. Interesting conversation. So as not to clutter the page up, could you move this talk to the talk page for posterity's sake?
• You don't think my father has based his work on everyone else before him? His research comes from everyone else in the field, and thusly so does mine. And since none of you 18 million research actually happened, you have to mae up all your basis. That's more than 17 and a half million years worth or research. Oh, and you said you have weak genetic diversity on the game page.

Battle for Earth

Could I create a page for the Second Solar System War which is seemingly likely to happen soon? Thanks. Also, can we get a good idea of who is on whose side? PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 18:23, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Terran side

• Algeria
• Terran Empire

Regen side

• Regenetech
• NATO?

For now the Alliance considers your actions as dangerous to this species and many other. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 18:32, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

The Centrians ask you, the Mantelar, to join our alliance. The Royal Guns (talk) 14:34, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

The Alliance gladly accepts. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:16, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Wars

I'm going to make pages for...

First Galactic War

Second Galactic War

Third Galactic War

Fourth Galactic War

Fifth Galactic War

Sixth Galactic War

Seventh Galactic War

PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 01:35, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

GW IV and the such. And remember that these will only be established as canon for the game and not the true Battle for Earth timeline. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 04:22, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Terran Empire

Is my page realistic? Any suggestions? Thanks. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 19:23, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Also, the Terran Empire would like to announce the creation of the United Galactic Dominion, which is a new alliance between the Terran Empire and the Holy Hanzen Empire (Am I allowed to do that? I think Scraw mentioned it in one of his pages...). Anyone is welcome to join, we will protect you. We are not seeking war against anyone... except for a certain few... :) PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 19:28, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Technology Meter

Any suggestions? PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 00:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, but we need one. That's how the last game ended. Someone 'shielded' Earth and we got in an argument about the technology. Rule 1: No technology is invincible. Even for aliens... CourageousLife (talk) 02:40, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

If anyone's species is based off another fictional one, please post here.

• Terrans- Protoss (StarCaft)
• Azaranians- Ancients (Stargate)(More like some Technology and appearance parralels and a rough technological developement estimate)
• Regenetech- GFFA (Star Wars) (Actually it's all the masses of tech from Star Wars and then some.)
• My species aren't, but most of the units I've quoted are from Colony... (Centria)
• Mantelar (Some very small references to John Carter and W40k, maybe a few others)
  • The game from Armorgames.com?
  • That's the one. I've quoted Sakatas, Gladiators, Prides, Romans, and Sphinxs so far, and I'm going to quote Black Queens and Saints next =D. I love that game. That, Sonny (both one and 2), and Kingdom Rush are my 3 favorite free games.
  • Heh :D
  • And now, ofcourse, come the Dlaks and the vashta nerada. Have fun with that, Whovians.

Proposal

Hey, I have a proposal, what about a human organization similar to an hibryd of the Fifth Column (V), Cerberus (Mass Effect), Al-Qaeda (OTL), rogue NID (Stargate) and The Trust (also Stargate). What I mean is a (mod controlled) violent, xenophobic, human supremacist, terrorist, organized, with advaced tech (stolen) fighting ALL alien races and heavily influenced by conspiracy theorists. What do you think? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 03:40, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

YES! Especially since the aliens would blame it on each other and declare GW... what are we on now?

Add Torchwood to that list; they're not human supremist or xenophobic, but they are exceptionally organized and in terms of defending the Earth, they are almost as good as the Doctor.

The Royal Guns (talk) 11:05, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

And the Tal'darim, a Protoss rogue faction... PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 13:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

This would be GW VII. Anyways, let's blame em for killing the Brits! Add the CIS of Star Wars there, but not as an Imperial puppet!

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:38, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, CIS is a little more... seperatist. These guys don't want independence, just dead aliens.

The Royal Guns (talk) 20:57, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Then the Sith Brotherhood? They certainly didn't like the Old Republic. Perfect for haters against everyone else.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 20:59, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, List of influences: Fifth Column, Cerberus, Al-Qaeda, rogue NID, The Trust, Torchwood, Tal'darim, and something between the Sith Brotherhood and the Human High Culture?. Maybe we should do a total espionage war before the GW VIII. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 22:35, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Go for it ( with mod permission) The Royal Guns (talk) 22:48, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, go for it, with mod permission granted. Also, let's call them the Human High Culture, although Earth based.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

You are giving me license to post as the human racist organization? Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:57, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. :) Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:01, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Too long?, I tried to made the attacks look like alien-made, but mod-events are not my specialty. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 03:31, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Good so far.

Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 03:35, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Vote

As many may know, Principia Moderni II pretty much decimated the map game world. Most games that were open during that time hit the ground faster than Steven Hawking in a foot race. Some have called for the restart of this game rather than get it back on its feet. I'm all up for it, but I'd rather leave it to you, our semi-faithful viewers to decide. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 11:58, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

WOAH WOAH! I was talking about my declaring war on the universe (minus my allies), not asking for a vote! The Royal Guns (talk) 20:52, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Continue

Nothing wrong with map game other than recent inactivity. Continue current game.

• Kronicsunflower (talk) 16:28, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
• The Royal Guns (talk) 20:52, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
• Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:16, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Restart

Game is dead. Start new game under same scenario.

Revamp

We've been doing the same thing for every game. A formula change may be a good idea (I'd like to propose a WWII + Aliens thing or maybe a game starting later than the '60s so the puny humans have more of a chance to fight back by itself).

• Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:05, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
• I would love a game where we limit the playing inside the solar system (imagine some weird phenomen capture a few different fleets inside a bubble the size of the system), alien species have only limited resources and space ships, so that everyone would have to be more careful with resources, establish bases in the solar system (and would have a more detailed map with moons, planets, the belt, etc). Maybe we should do a tech limit, no races old enoug to destroy the galaxy, more like the Republic (Star Wars) or the Goa'uld/Tollan/Tau'ri (Stargate) or even the Imperium of Mankind.

Prequel

People really went all-out on the ancient history stuff from what I saw. Earth isn't the only planet in the galaxy. We could do a game in ancient times (we'd kick the shit out of History Channel's Ancient Aliens). This could be at any point. Maybe during a galactic war or people picking up after the Phantom-Mech War, who knows? The only downside is that the races that are alive in the game or are not supposed to die off yet would have some immunity and the wars may be somewhat scripted. Ideas are welcome.

• CrimsonAssassin (talk) 11:58, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
• Good I dea for next time. Oooh, how about on Mars when it still had life?
• I think I've already established that the Azaranians lived on mars for a while to observe the Humans(Mars Interstelar-Transportation Relay being the only remenant untill their return)... the only colonies they realy had so far away from their core empire...mostly because of the physiological and external similaities of two species that developped on two different corners of the galaxy...and left about 10 000 years ago because they left too much of a mark on early human civilizaion and religions(thats why a swastika-type structure and a orabourous/dragon/snake are found on the flag...they are found in early cultures pre-columbian American and old world alike). But I would definately want a prequel...maybe in between one of teh 6 galactic wars.-Lx ^{(leave me a message)} 21:28, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
• CourageousLife (talk) 00:08, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
• I was going to do that if this game failed. Battle for Earth: In the Days and Battle for Earth: War of the Worlds. Also, are the canon players interested in playing a BFE Ltd? Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:16, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • Explain what you mean by Ltd CourageousLife (talk) 01:26, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • Canon only. Regen, Terran, Mech, Caborr, Dravimos, Azaranian, Democrists (I think someone else can play them), Hanzen (same here), and Soram (same here). Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 01:44, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
• I agree with the prequel, but I don't think we should take any of the wars for canon. We should start creating the canon as we go along for another revamped Battle for Earth. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 02:21, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • You misunderstand. I mean canon SPECIES, not wars. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 02:22, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • Meanie. Here I was hoping to devaste the solar system via Sigma Field. The Royal Guns (talk) 23:54, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
  • It's just that I feel the spirit of the second and third games were too different from the spirit of the first game. The original game was unique among map game and the players playing it had sort a different feeling than we do in this game. In this game (particualarly with all these people who are total newbs when it comes to sci-fi and alien sci-fi) it's completely different. MP and I were trying to recreate the original environment in the second game, and that went downhill with the Insectus And the second game kind of carried on into this game, so it's no better. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
  • This is still they only game with a neat little Galactic war canon to it. We should kee within this universe, but just at a different time, maybe at about the time azaranians discovered how to amplify their natural habilities of "zapping" objects from one person to another and made the Transportation relays. I would like to keep the Galactic wars thing for future games' histories because we are basicalhy building on what happened.

PAX! Pax Galactica!

So... any ideas on some sort of Pax Galactica? Excrement be hitting the fan. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:32, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sigma Fields

In case any one was curious about these, seeing as I've quoted them several times....

Sigma fields (to put it simply) are somewhat like holes in the fabric of spacetime, but not in the 3rd dimension, but rather the 4th. Since the universe is actually 4th dimensional, this requires the Universe it self to be the 4th dimensional version of a plane in a 5th dimension. This is of course highly theoretical.

Sigma fields basically take every particle they absorb and make it exist in every single place in every single time in every single universe, but unlike the Heart of Gold (come on, you have to get that) it doesn't really 'survive'; the 5th dimension is too complex, so basically it gets trapped on the brane.

Anyway, it's purely sci fi. Sigma fields are ranked by the amount of energy that needs to be inputed in order to appease the hole (and no it doesn't violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics OR the law of conservation of matter, because this just opens up a limited energy source (limited to the amopunt of energy nesscessary to satisfy it), being the other universes).

Now, of course, even a Sigma field ALPHA requires a Sun and a bit, maybe something like a Brown Dwarf in addition. A Sigma field FOXTROT (the highest) might require around a 100 Galaxies, as that figure (of energy required) grows exponentially.

All clear? I didn't think so.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:32, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Completely clear. Now that I know what they are, I have to ban them, on grou nds of way too much implausibility. Gotta be fair to Viva. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:15, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

What? Why? These are basically Einstien- Rosenberg brisges in the 4th dimension. Give humanity 500 years, and we'll be able to do this too. The Royal Guns (talk) 00:24, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Another revamp

I think a good idea for a revamp could be that instead of having the full night of the empires fight it out, have each empire/nation send a small expeditionary force to the Solar System. Then, a mysterious phenomenon (idk what) happens, trapping the solar system, and all the fleets inside the bubble. Then, the fun happens :D Also, while this is happening, time outside of the bubble is frozen. (Read Spin by Robert Charles Wilson). What would happen is everyone needs to keep track of number of troops, ships, etc that they brought in. This would negate the huge advantage that ancient nations have over non-ancient, and even ancient (ahem, Regen, Azaranians) against the not so powerful ancient (Terran). PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 19:20, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yap, this is the best idea Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 21:49, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Better idea: I'm retconning the game back to 1970.5 so let's use that as a mod event for that year. Y'all play your home nation, your Earth nation, and your trapped men. Syngraféas Enallaktikí̱ Istoría, Dic mihi lingua Anglorum. 00:06, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, retcons are what kills these games. A retcon is a terrible idea. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:07, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

BFE: Revamped

Okay, how about this?

This one has a POD, but it is different than the last 3 games (so it's a different universe).

Earth is discovered by Soram scouts just following a war. Tensions are still high throughout the Galaxy, and this discovery of a new species is always of interest.

Only, they discover it in the heyday of Rome.

Flash forward 1000 years, to the year 1900.

Due to Alien interventions, humanity is almost 1000 years more advanced than OTL. They do not have FTL ships, but they have occupied the entire Solar system.

Meanwhile, the rest of the Galaxy has all but forgotten about them. The Mechs have come out of their slumber, and the Humans are relegated to the back of their minds.

Then, a simple weapons test goes very, very wrong. Several fleets from each of the races of the galaxy- who are all present- are enveloped in a giant time bubble. Each of the fleets have roughly the same size, as was agreed before to prevent any hostility.

BUt there's worse; the time bubble can only be broken from the outside. And outside, all time has frozen.

As the races begin to panic, though, they find that this isn't true. If they can retreive an ancient artifact known as the Forge from Earth, which is what the time bubble is wrapped around (the boundaries being those of the Oort cloud), then they can break the bubble.

The Bad news? The forge will attach itself to the sepeices that first activate it. Since there are 4 pieces, this means that no more than 4 species can leave; the fleets of the rest will be destroyed as the time bubble implodes.

The worse news? The forge is spread over the inner solar system, and the only way to retrieve them will be to destroy those planets.

The Worst news? Those planets belong to the humans. They may not have the same level of tech, but there are a lot more of them. They have united. And they aren't letting anyone kill off their population.

The Royal Guns (talk) 18:55, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

But this means that humanity is doomed, since they can’t hope to evacuate their whole species. I think a better way is that while most species team up to find the Forge, some don’t want the others to leave the bubble, and fight the ones who try to retrieve it. The time bubble can only be broken with the Forge, but does not implode eventually. Instead, the Forge will destroy the bubble entirely. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 23:24, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Idea the First

Hmm.

OK, new Idea.

BFE: The Forge.

The year is 65 million BC, and the dominant species on Earth has just been wiped out.

A massive piece of tech, known as the Forge, has crashed into it.

It was created by an ancient race known as the Phantoms, nearly 65 million years. But the Phantoms died, slain by their once-slaves, the Mech. The Forge had been part of a mission to save the race, wping out the Mech. BUt before it could be activated, the Mech destroyed the Convoy. Not one Phantom survived.

The Forge did.

The year is 1 BC, and a shocking discovery has been made.

A new species.

They call themselves the humans. They have not yet united themselves into one nation, but there is a dominant nation- the Romans. To aid them, the other species of the galaxy secretly give them technology, while maintaining secrecy.

But then war breaks out, and the humans are forgotten.

The year is 1800 AD. The Humans have united. They are almost 1000 years ahead of OTL, in all respects. They have colonized the inner Solar system, and they are building asteroid bases and floating cities on the gas giants and their moons.

The Forge has been found.

The descendants of that race that built it, the Phantoms, have been extinct for millenia. But the race the phantoms built- the Mech- know of it as well. Their 50 million year search has finally come to an end. And the Mechs begin to activate.

The year 1900 AD. The Mech have emerged. The 6th galactic war has ended. A war game, as part of a peace treaty between the nations, has been agreed to.

An experimental weapon, known as the Stone Dog, is used, outside Alpha Centauri.

The Mech hearing of this, knowing what the effect of the detonation so close to the Forge will be, attempts to warn the others. Their ships reach just as the weapon is detonated.

The radiation travels the 4 light years to Earth in seconds.

It interacts with the Forge.

And all hell breaks loose.

A time bubble is erected around the systems of Sirius, Alpha/Proxima Centauri, and Sol. Those fleets trapped in it- which are all of the same size, and have no weapons of serious potential (no Death Stars, Sigma Fields, Hyper Relays)- must get the Forge to end it.

But some species have a different mindset. They know of the powers of the Stone Dog. They want it for themselves. And the only way to do that will be to use the Forge to reverse the polarity of the field. As a result, the Stone Dog- which was effectively a bomb- can be extrapolated from the explosion. The Time bubble will deterioate following this, anyway, though it will take time.

But those who wish to leave immediately have reasons of their own. Reversing the polarity will cause a secondary Stone Dog explosion. Any races not shielded by the Forge will be destroyed.

And of course there are the Humans. Their tech isn't as advanced as the aliens, but there are a lot more of them. And they will not die easily.

The Royal Guns (talk) 17:22, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Discussion of Idea the First

I like it, though I would like to stick to the idea of the Forge being created by the Phantoms and it crashing to Earth 65 MYA. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 20:46, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll fix that. The Royal Guns (talk) 22:47, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Forge also had terraforming abilities (hence the name), but firing it on a planet resulted in the energy destroying most, if not all, life already on the planet. It was being used against the Mechs before the Mechs knocked it out of the sky, onto the Yucatan Peninsula. Sorry, just trying to stick to the mythology these guys have had for a while. CrimsonAssassin (talk) 02:07, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Right. I'm more talking about the Energy potential of the Forge. IT's outputs that can terraform a planet can also break the time bubble. Scraw, Pita, any one, ideas? 19:14, September 19, 2012 (UTC)The Royal Guns (talk)

Idea the Second

My idea: humanity is not unified, the Solar system is divided between powers, the Big Four (Earth, Mars, Venus, and Mercury) the four powers and other 6-10 nations in the Solar system. A cold war between Earth/Mercury against Mars/Venus was the biggest problem before the alien arrival

The time outside is frozen, some of the alien fleets want to stay here and start a new life along the humans. Others want to use the Forge to destroy the bubble and return home, and a few racist species want just to kill everyone and keep the system for them. The biggest human nations can ally only with alien species that want to stay here, because the Forge can't save a population of billions.. The lower populated human nations can ally with almost anyone, cause the Forge can save both, the fleet and the few citizens of the nation and there is no problem to stay here. And obviously if anyone choose a racist species, kill or die!.

Proposed Nations

1. Earth-Moon: Most Earth, all the Moon. Member of the Alliance. (US equivalent)
2. Mercury: Member of the Alliance. (US equivalent)
3. Mars: Member of the Union (URSS equivalent)
4. Venus: Member of the Union (URSS equivalent)
5. Ganymede (and lesser Jupiter moons): The Fifth Power, less powerful but VERY important, neutral, think in Ganymede as China in the Cold War.
6. 1rst Asteroid Belt Nation: Member of the Alliance, corporate nation, economic centered as the OTL fenicians.
7. 2nd Asteroid Belt Nation: Member of the Union (technocracy)
8. European Union: Side with the Alliance, most OTL Europe.
9. Neptune State: dictatorship, strong government. side with the Alliance.
10. A Communist nation in Asia (Great North Korea Empire?) Side with the Union.
11. Saturnian Colonies: A federation, side with the Union.
12. Oort Republic: Neutral.
13. Switzerland: Neutral. some colonies in the Moon. Advanced in robotics.
14. Space Polis: Many independient space stations, similar to OTL Greek Polis. Enemy with the 1rst Asteroid Belt Nation.
15. The alien nations.

And one new rule, a player with a alien power WON'T be a human power. Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 20:43, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of Idea the Second

One problem, the HUmans can't be that divided, they have to be at most in three solid factions, otherwise the aliens will pwn them.The Royal Guns (talk) 22:36, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Proposed compromise

Background story is exactly the same of the first Idea. Hmanity is sepearted into 3 factions- the Union, the Federation (which is like the Alliance of Idea the second), and the Alliance.

Proposed Nations:

• Alliance:
• Ganymede (Controls floating cities on Jupiter): (Population) 2 billion
• Oort Cloud (not counting Hill Cloud): 170 million
• Mercury: 980 million
• Io + Europa: 240 million
• Ceres: 520 million
• Union:
• Callisto (Controls the space stations in Orbit of Jupiter) : 3.5 billion
• Hill cloud: 120 million
• Inner Asteroid Belt: 1.1 billion
• Titan (Controls Asteroid belt of Saturn, all floating cities, and all space stations of Saturn): 11.75 billion
• Venus: 21.5 billion
• Pluto: 640 million
• Eris: 350 million
• Sedna: 540 million
• Federation:
• Earth: 30 billion
• Mars: 24 billion
• Neptune (plus moons and space stations in orbit, etc): 1.3 billion
• Uranus (plus etc): 2.8 billion
• Moon: 7.5 billion

Discusion

This is better, but maybe we should low down the populations of non-planetary nations (Asteroid belt, Oort Cloud, Eris and Sedna), and give them some bonus in fleet, economy or robotics. Still this is a lot better than my nations proposal. Ohh, and I guess that the Alliance is still this world's Cold War China equivalent Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 22:46, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Also, how bout we make their tech level the same as Terrans from StarCraft? I'll elaborate if anyone has questions. PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 01:20, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Just look at my technometre, I believe the Terran can be classified in Tier 3, Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 02:31, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

There's one problem, Mercury cant house that many people. its smaller than the moon, and much, much hotter, and would be very expensive to take care of, unless massive heat shields were instaleld, and not to mention all the solar radiation at that level. I would say that mercury is off-limits to Humans, especialy since as tier 3 they do not posess adequate shield technology. anyways, the Azaranians would be classified as tier 2+ I think, not quite at tier 1 but nearly there. Their main technologies are based on the manipulation of energy(i.e. the Transportation Relays/Warpgates, Azaranian Hyperdrive, to a certain extent ZPMs, Tachyon drives(creation of particles with imaginary mass), Faster-than-light projectiles(via tacheon), Artificial wormhole creation(Only possible with 12 StarSnatcher Class Superdreadnoughts, with 6 on both the exit and entrance of the whormhole. the Azaranian navy only has 12 of these constructs, and they are VERY expensive to get moving, and can't pass through Hyperspace because of their IMMENSE mass, so tacheon drives are the only way to move them, and Tacheon drives can dammage the fabric of reality...so...very risky and expensive to co-ordinate all of them, especialy since they are needed by their respective fleets to transport Dreadnought-class ships with ITR technology)). So not quite world builders but better than interstellar.-Lx ^{(leave me a message)} 16:59, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, when does the revamp start? PitaKang- (But here's my number|So call me maybe) 19:35, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, guys, the qalliance, the Federation, and the Union are just 3 nations. Those are just the divisitions.

I guess today or tomorrow.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:55, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

If we want people to play as both, human and aliens, I guess they can choose a division of a nation. Who is going to do the page?, Bauglir Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All (talk) 23:25, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, let the Human nations be seperate. Remember, they're as powerful as the alien fleets. I'll make the page, unless someone minds.

The Royal Guns (talk) 22:28, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Idea the Second: Technometre

This is just my copy/adaptation from the Halo wiki.

Tier 7: Pre-Industrial Age

Tier 7 the most stable state, with limited weaponry and environmental threats. Small and scattered societies, driven by subsistence farming, foraging, or hunter-gathering needs. Technology is limited to simple handmade tools, weapons, or agrarian implements and methods.

Tier 6: Industrial Age

Tier 6 is often the pinnacle for a civilization. Agrarian societies can remain stable in the pre-industrial stage, but Tier 6 population strain and mechanized food production invariably create political and economic pressures very few can balance. Moving past this usually promises advancement. Some societies improve environmental and medical understanding concurrently with mechanical and transport advancement. Those that do not are frequently doomed.

Tier 5: Atomic Age

Tier 5 species usually begin focusing on clean energy production. The occasional belligerent species will use atomic energy for weapons, often resulting in mass extinctions. In-atmosphere craft are a hallmark, often leading to manned space flight, albeit in a short-scale.

Tier 4: Space Age

Tier 4 is often the final resting place for species intelligent enough to break free from their cradle's surface only to fill the gulf surrounding it with war. Their comfort-focused technology can include medical advances. OTL Humanity reached this level in 1957, when the first satellite was launched.

Tier 3: Space-Faring

Species has efficient space navigation, mass drivers, asynchronous linear-induction weapons, advanced computation and semi-sentient AI (though their creation requires memory transfer from the freshly deceased and/or flash cloning). Nukes, primitive energy weapons, NO shields, cryogenic sleep. Humanity is actually in this level.

Tier 2: Interstellar

Species has the ability to perform exceedingly accurate Hyperspace navigation, near-instantaneous communication and man-portable application of energy manipulation. Energy weapons, shields and almost sentient AI. Terraforming is extremly slow and expensive. Most alien nations in the revamp would be here.

Tier 1: World builders

The species has some anti-gravitional technology, can create AI with full sentience, fabricate super-dense materials, perform super-accurate Huperspace navigation, the ability to create life, and the ability to easily terraform worlds. Only a few alien nations would be here, but with BIGGER RESTRICTIONS than others.

Tier 0: Transsentient

No species know in this level.

The Spinoff agreed

Battle for Earth: The Forge (Map Game)

Have fun!!

The Royal Guns (talk) 23:03, September 21, 2012 (UTC)