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This is the general post-war conference held in the US headquarters in Manila of the Japanese war to decide the fate of Imperial Japan - and other Asian things.

Member parties

Main

  • China
  • Australia
  • New Zealand
  • United Kingdom
  • Canada
  • Chile
  • United States
  • Thailand

Observers

  • Korea
  • Japan
  • Soviet Union

Terms

American proposal

China
  • The Republic of China shall be recognised as the official government of China and any trade or discussion with the People's Republic of China shall be forbidden.
  • Manchuria and the Korean peninsula shall be bound together under a new Korean state that the Koreans have established.
  • Japanese soldiers are only to surrender to the troops of the government representing that area, and they are to continue fighting until ordered to surrender by a legitimate government.
  • Taiwan shall be be independent as an American protectorate, and Japanese soldiers stationed there are ordered to surrender to the American forces.
  • French Indochina shall be separated into Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and Japanese troops shall surrender to the United States.
  • Japan's forces shall vacate Thailand and British forces shall become responsible for the protection of Thailand.
Southeast Asia
  • The Philippines and Hawaii shall be returned to the United States.
  • Indonesia shall become a British colony.
Japan
  • All Japanese troops shall withdraw to Japan's original territorial extent.
  • Japan shall maintain its independence and territorial integrity, as well as its right to decide on internal laws.
  • The United States shall have the right to moor ships as well as base troops and aircraft in Japan with forewarning given to appropriate government figures.

Chinese proposal

China
  • The Republic of China shall be recognised as the official government of China and any trade or discussion with the People's Republic of China shall be forbidden.
  • Manchuria and the Korean peninsula shall be bound together under a new Korean state that the Koreans have established.
  • Japanese soldiers are only to surrender to the troops of the government representing that area, and they are to continue fighting until ordered to surrender by a legitimate government.
  • Taiwan shall be be independent as both an American and a Chinese protectorate, and Japanese soldiers stationed there are ordered to surrender to the American and Chinese forces.
  • French Indochina shall be separated into Chinese Indochina and American Indochina, and Japanese troops shall surrender to both the United States and China.
  • Japan's forces shall vacate Thailand and British forces shall become responsible for the protection of Thailand.
Southeast Asia
  • The Philippines and Hawaii shall be returned to the United States.
  • Indonesia shall become a British colony.
Japan
  • All Japanese troops shall withdraw to Japan's original territorial extent.
  • Japan shall maintain its independence and territorial integrity, as well as its right to decide on internal laws.
  • The United States and China shall both have the right to moor ships as well as base troops and aircraft in Japan with forewarning given to appropriate government figures.

Discussion

  • "All of Indochina will be handed over to the US while all of Manchuria will be handed over to Korea."
    • Australia: Indochina should be divided by the will of its people. The Viet Minh shall control Vietnam, the Khmer Rouge shall control Cambodia, and Laos will decide on its own. Japan shall withdraw from the Asian mainland and leave to Pacific to be divided between the SEATO powers. The Kuomintang is the rightful rulers of China, the CPC is nothing but a rag tag guerrilla group and Australia would be happen to support China against them. The Filipino resistance group Hukbalahap shall become a political party under the American suzerainty. Australia would also like if China would join SEATO because CSTO would cease to exist after the CPC and RoC start fighting again.
  • "All of Indochina will be handed over to the US while all of Manchuria will be handed over to Korea."
    • China: We tell both nations if the area in Indochina defined on the map will go to China as they had been liberated by China before peace talks Initiated and the region in question would be full integrated as a province of China while also being highly Autonomous with possible independence of the region in the future. But, we are fine with Manchurian independence and integration into Korea as long as the Qing household is to be installed in the government of Korea with the Yi household and Manchukuo Royal house marrying together to form a royal house of the two nations that has a new surname of both Manchukuo and Korean origin. Also Taiwan will become a Japanese Prefecture as the local population has come to support the Japanese rule and it is in the best interest of the people if the island was to remain under Japanese rule. But, we will join SEATO if the SEATO members join CSTO or at least the United States, United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Australia join us.
      • OOC: Just an innocent question: wasn't this invasion meant to promote peace and democracy, and prevent further war? Yet it seems like it was just an excuse for nations to expand into colonial empires, and the US seemed to be getting a much better deal of that than anyone else ...
      • (OOC) China: While from the start it wasn't. All these guys want to do is cut Asia up like a pie. I'm trying to stop that outside influence from becoming too much of a problem for the Asian community.
      • Australia: China needs to realise that after the war is over the civil starts again. We suggest to join SEATO to have support against the CPC both economically and militarily.
      • OOC US: When did I say a word about peace and democracy? The point of this war was for me and my allies to march into Asia and set up our own regimes.
      • US: No, Indochina shall be independent and under US protection and Taiwan is the same while Manchuria will become a part of Korea and we are more than happy to take negotiations to the PRC.
  • British Empire: We propose that Indochina is independent and under joint SEATO protection, while we oversee it developing into three independent nations: Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. We also propose that Taiwan goes under joint SEATO protection to help the two nations rebuild into modern nation-states with fast growing economies. We also propose that Japan goes under SEATO occupation to help rebuild it from nuclear bombings and poor imperial policies to also help it transform into a modern nation-state with a fast growing economy. Taipei and Tokyo shall become Special Economic Zones. We agree with the US that Manchuria becomes a part of Korea. We invite the PRC to the Manila talks.
  • PRC: We thank the SEATO forces for helping liberate our country. We also thank the British Empire for inviting us to the Manila Peace Talks. We offer another option to the SEATO forces: we will agree to all of the US proposals, except that the PRC will be the legitimate government of China instead of the RoC. Also, to thank for the SEATO alliance's help in driving the Japanese from our country, we offer land to the SEATO members: Hainan and Macau to the US, Hong Kong and the Paracel Islands to the British Empire, the Spratly Islands and Zhanjiang to Australia, and the Pratas Islands and Yangjiang to New Zealand.
    • What is this? The Chinese Communists are very nationalistic; not only are they trying to bring China to its original extent as in the Qing dynasty, but they are also seeking to bring China back to its isolationist state prior to Western contact. They also view themselves as self-reliant and would never collaborate with any Western power, let alone join the conference even if it were invited.
  • Korean Dip: We refuse to re-install the Qing household, and would like to keep the Yi household in power. However, the members of the Qing household may marry with the members of the Yi household but in doing so they would have to adopt the Yi surname and Korean customs, abandoning their Manchu roots. We would also want to add an additional term that states that Japan will realise a balance of power between it, China and Korea. Apart from that, we agree with the rest of the American terms.

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