Land of Opportunity (Map Game)

Christoper Columbus discovered America (the Caribbean, really) one year ago. Colonial Empires will rise, Colonial Empires will fall. Will your Empire stand the test of time? Can you bring glory and wealth to your nation? Will you join the game?

Rules

1. The game begins in 1493 (the year after Christopher Columbus discovered America).
2. Native Americans start with a far lower technological level than Europeans but can catch up.
3. Mods CAN be players, but if they are biased, their mod-hood will be revoked.
4. Historical events and revolutions will still take place as well as less-existent revolts (though you can stop them, possibly) but the revolting nation keeps strong cultural ties and names may be different (e.g. OTL Canada revolts against Sweden but will be called Vinland and speak Swedish).
5. Implausible colonization can be pardoned (e.g. Morocco colonizing the Caribbean or China colonizing Baja California).
6. Knowledge of the West will spread slower to eastern nations, but faster than OTL.
7. No colonizing Africa until 1575. This rule can be changed depending on game progression.
8. I am bad at making maps, so players must contribute (when needed).
9. Mod's word is law unless proven wrong.
10. No excessive Alien Space Bats.
11. If I set something up that is historically inaccurate (e.g. UK existing in 1494) correct me.
12. Grammatical Correctness.
13. Game starts with six players.
14. Map will be updated every five turns (five years).

Related Pages

Nations

Mods

Super Saiyan Mod: Daxus Inferno (talk)

Geography Guy (Map Maker): Dean Sims

Grammar Nazi (Spell Checker):

God of War (algorithm Mod): Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Time Police  (Plausibility checker): Warman555

All mods have normal mod powers, except for Super Saiyan Mod.

All mods can be voted out of power.

When a mod plays a different mod must do the algorithm.

Remember:

Siam: Daxus Inferno (talk)

Inca: DeanSims

China: Enclavehunter

France: Sine dei gloriem

Vote to kick DeanSims from Mod position (Reasons: Slight implausibility, Rampant breaking of Rule #12, trying to colonize before knowledge was at hand):

OK, the colonization thing was a mistake, secondly grammar correctness - that's an insane rule. You try using your phone 24/7 to type on here. It's not easy, and slight implausibility, everyone here is slightly implausible.

I use my phone 24/7 and I almost never have a typo, and you could always go back and check. You're right about implausibility, but you more than others. Ottoman Caliphate? You realize that would NEVER happen, the Ottomans were Sunni, who believe the Caliph would be elected, and the Sultan would never give up that power. Also, the colonization thin, fair enough, but all you have to do is read the post!

Voting will end after the 1498 turn

Aye	Nay
Daxus Inferno (talk)	DeanSims

Super Saiyan mod used his Super Saiyan powers to boot DeanSims.

DeanSims has been allowed to re-join.

Map

1515

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Nations

Europe

• Spain:Wegscuba (talk)
• Prussia:
• Portugal:
• England: Alexlee8991 (talk)
• Scotland:OreoToast555 (talk) Rejoined Gives sovereignty to England. Quit do to overpowered mod control.
• Scandinavian Union:  Airlinesguy (talk)
• Norway: Taken by the Scandinavian Union diplomatically.
• Denmark: Taken by the Scandinavian Union diplomatically.
• Sweden: Created Scandinavian Union.
• France: Sine dei gloriem (talk)
• The Hanseatic League:
• Russia:
• Papal States:
• Florence:
• Aragon: Taken by Spain diplomatically.
• Sardinia:
• Bavaria:
• Switzerland:
• Austria:
• Piedmont-Sardinia:
• Naples:
• Venezia
• Byzantium:jontiben(talk)
• Bulgaria:
• Wallachia:
• Savoy:
• Genoa:

Africa

• Mali:
• Ziyyanids:
• Hafsids:
• Morocco:
• Mamluk Sultanate:
• Zulu:
• Great Zimbabwe:
• Al-Jawjar Emirate (In Mozambique):

Asia

• Ottomans:
• Yemen:
• Oman:
• Persia:
• Vijayanagar:
• Siam (Ayutthaya): Daxus Inferno (talk) 05:31, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
• China:
• Ainu:
• Satsunan: Unification
• Josean:
• Malacca: Under Siamese ownership.
• Khmer:
• Gujarat:
• Bihar:
• Dai Viet:
• Mecca Caliphate:
• Sultanate of Rum:
• Cyprus: Byzantine Conquest
• Champa (Siamese vassal):
• Taungu:
• Japan:

North America

• Huron:
• Cherokee:
• Yipuck Eskimo:
• Souix:
• Seminole:
• Inuit:
• Caribb: Destroyed by Arylanlaristan
• Ottomanistan (City-State):

Central/South America

• Aztec:
• Maya:
• Inca: Conquered by France
• Amazons:
• Arylanlaristan (city-state):

Oceania:

Majahpahit: Under Siamese Managment

Aboriganeese:

Maori:

Game

LET THA GAMEZ BAGIN

1493

Mod Event: Knowledge of the New World spreads beyond Spain's borders. Portugal, Morocco and France can now attempt colonization of the Americas. Carib Indians, after their brief encounter with Christopher Columbus, advance slightly in technology.

• China: Emperor Zhū Yòutáng and his advisors pass a series of laws that begin to tackle the corruption within the Chinese government, especially among nobles and the military. He also orders the training of more officers for the Chinese Army, while he begins to prepare for an offensive against the Mongols to the north. Universal education is granted to help increase the literacy of the Chinese people. Establishment of universities in Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong begins. A trade agreement is sent to people of Tibet (RNG, please)..
  • Tibet D: Accepts the trade agreement.
• Spain: A colony is founded on Hispaniola, and Christopher Columbus himself, is named governor. Spanish explorers begin to chart and discover new lands throughout the new world. 
• Siam: A large military campaign is launched to finally unite all of Indochina, and a military and navy are expanded significantly, and explorers are sent out into Indonesia to map the many islands.
• Ottoman Caliphate: The Empire is reorganized into the Ottoman Caliphate. The newly proclaimed Caliph immediately announces the declaration of war against the brown nation occupying Egypt, Judea and parts of Arabia and Ottoman forces land near Palestine, Alexandria and, after crossing the Sinai Peninsula, the Arabian coast along the Red Sea. Ottoman forces soon force the battle of Palestine, taking Jerusalem and the area of OTL Israel in the process. Alexandria is also taken and most of the area around the Nile Delta soon is under Caliphate control. Military continues buildup while the Caliph offers Persia a non-aggression Pact and alliance.
  • Pretty sure that the "brown country" is Egypt.
  • I'm more than sure that no one can take Egypt within one year unless it accepts vassalization or Protectorate status.
  • They don't own it completely yet, and I'm sure the mods will do something if it becomes implausible.
  • I'd say be plausible on the invasion. I've done it on LLL with the US and it got somewhere. If it's going to be plausible, increase the deaths, mention tough resistance, and heavy pressure on the troops.
• France: With the news of the newly found lands some of the French leadership begins Colonization, sending an envoy of five ships to cross, one Landing in OTL Guajira and another one In OTL Cartagena, found and in similar way of the Spanish the Sea is mapped though only near the Settlement regions. While this, an alliance is offered England and Spain and military build up is prepared.
• Scotland: Alliance offered to England. Ships are built and should be ready to set sail within the next year.
• Sweden decides to build ships to colonise the New World along with Norway and Denmark. Together, the three countries form a loose federation called the Scandinavian Federation. An alliance is offered to France.
  • France agrees on the Alliance with Sweden.
• England: Agrees with the alliance with Scotland and asks to name it the British Alliance. Builds up ships to prepare to settle in the New World. Modernization begins and the army and navy is expanded.
• Mod: Knowledge hasn't spread to you guys yet. Wait a little bit.

1494

Mod Event: Egyptians manage to fight back heavily (used RNG for severity +1 for defending homeland, structured algorithm will be put together soon), and manage to reclaim all the Nile Delta and parts of Palestine, but Jerusalem itself is not taken. Knowledge of the New World spreads farther: the Ziyyandis, Hafsids, Hanseatic League, and England can now colonize the New World.

• Ottoman Caliphate: The Ottomans launch, another offensive from Palestine, and with heavy casualties due to Egyptian resistance but manage to take all land north of the Sinai Peninsula while Ottoman forces link up at Suez after Ottoman forces retake the Delta. The Ottoman Army also reaches Mecca and through bitter fighting and casualties takes the holy city and all land south of Mecca previously controlled by Egypt. The Caliphate is also divided into several provinces, Anatolia, Candar, Rumelia, Byzantine, and Slavenia. Egypt is offered a deal ceding all land east of Suez to the Caliphate in return for Caliphate forces aiding Egyptian expansion west and south.
• Caliphate Province of Slavenia: Troops are sent to fight Egypt.
• Caliphate Province of Rumelia: Troops are sent to fight Egypt.
• Caliphate Province of Anatolia: Troops are sent to fight Egypt.
• Caliphate Province of Candar: Troops are sent to fight Egypt.
• Caliphate Province of Byzantine: Troops are sent to fight Egypt.
• Ottomans offer this peace treaty, ceding everything east of the Sinai to Ottomans while in return Ottomans will aid in Egyptian expansion into Africa and sign a full alliance with Egypt.
• Egypt (RNG): Accepts.
• Spain: The navy is expanded. A colony is founded in St. Augustine, FL, and southeast Cuba. the Spanish also expand into Morocco.

• • Spanish colony of Hispaniola: the colony is expanded
  • Mod: I'm not sure what you mean by "expand into Morocco". You can invade Morocco but as it exists currently it is a sheikdom and a civilization currently about as advanced as the Europeans, so no colonizing.
  • PMod: Though you can always launch a war against them. Also, can I update current map to look as it should By 1493?
  • On the old map, it looked like Spain had a dot in Morocco. Sorry for any confusion. 
• Portugal: Military is expanded. News of the New World is heard, and Ships sail towards the route of Spain, but a storm knocks them off, and they land on what is OTL Long Island. A colony is set up there. Spain is asked for an alliance
• Siam: Invasion of the Malayan peninsula is undergone with 50,000 soldiers with its navy (two galleons and three galleys), and due to its small size Siam marches across the peninsula and invades their capital (read Talk Page) and manages to conquer, until this point the Siamese encountered little resistance, and this was explained when Malacca pulled all their troops back to their capital (Malacca), and conquer it with great success. Explorers return from the Pacific and Indian Sea, bringing new maps and knowledge. China is asked for an alliance.
• 1494 Likely Map

  

  Current map of the world with Portuguese Spanish and French Colonies

• Persia Was divided in East And West Qoyyunlu Naples is independent as well as Aragon and Burgundy Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
  
• Let's discuss the map on the Talk page.
• France: Another Colony is Made in OTL New Orleans called in the Same way and and outpost is made in OTL Panama called Nouvelle Nantes, the colonies in Northern Colombia are expanded along the coast between each other. The military is built up as so does the fleet and the alliance offer to England and Scotland still remains while Spain is offered an alliance as well.
• The Ming Empire launches an offensive against the Mongol Armies to the north, hoping to destroy the long-time enemy of the Chinese. Meanwhile, a trade agreement is sent to Siam and Joseon. The Emperor orders the increase in funds to anti-corruption agency, transportation, and research/development. Universal education is passed by the emperor and all classes of society from peasants to nobles are allowed to attend either an all girls or all boys school.
  • Siam D: We accept the trade agreement
  • Joseon (RNG): Declines trade agreement.
• England: Agrees with the alliance with Scotland and asks to name it the British Alliance. Builds up ships and makes a settlement in OTL Quebec. Modernization begins and the army and navy is expanded. Asks Scotland a plan of sending two fleets, one to the New World and one to China. Also, asks Scotland for a joint invasion of Ireland. 
• Scotland: Accepts the British Alliance. Prepares militia for join invasion. four New Fleets are under construction (two for national defense, two for exploration). Accepts the French Alliance. Several Dozen Muskets are made.

1495

Mod Event: The Young Turk movement begins early in Turkey and spreads into Persia. Knowledge of the New World spreads farther, Scotland, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Aragon, Egypt and Mali can attempt colonization. Siamese ships discover the northern coast of Australia. Carib, Amazonian, Huron and Incan people advance in technology. Incans can now smelt bronze and Hurons manage to steal some guns from the Portuguese. Carib natives are not enjoying the presence of the Spanish and launch a raid, killing about a third of the population in their Hispaniola colony.

• Spain: Aragon becomes part of the Spanish Empire. Colonies are founded in Jamaica, Puerto Rico, and  the Bahamas.
  • Hispaniola: colony is expanded.
  • La Florida: colony is expanded.
  • Cuba: colony is expanded.
• Siam: Returning troops from the Malaysian peninsula return home, numbering about 45,000 and then meet up with more soldiers, now numbering about 80,000 they march to Khmer to aid in the unification of Indochina (needs algorithm). More explorers are sent to the Northern coast of Australia and begin mapping it. A massive improvement of infrastructure is undergone, to connect the nation with a spiderweb of highways. China is asked for an alliance once more, and colonists are sent to OTL Balabac.
• England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance and sends in more troops to Dublin in preparation for its military campaign against Ireland. Builds more ships and settles in OTL NewFoundland, Labrador and Boston. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of a man-of-war. Plans for an all out invasion of Ireland and asks Scotland to join.
• Scotland: Scottish ships have Landed in OTL Nova Scotia and Colonization begins. Scotland will be fighting alongside England and its allies as part of the British Alliance. Preparation to colonize a large section of the eastern coast of the new world is underway and a possible empire may or may not be sparked out of this.
• France: Expeditions into Central America are started and a colony in OTL Nicaragua begins as well as one in OTL Brazil Easternmost Tip and one last colony is made in the mouth of the River Saint Lawrence, The Colonies expand and the military is built up, Spain is asked for an alliance as well as Austria and Burgundy, and the First French Explorer crosses Panama and reaches what is referred to as the Neptunic Ocean. England and Scotland are asked for a Non-aggression Pact and the First Exploring Campaigns begins in the Pacific Coast of Colombia, with an expedition to the Magnificent empire in the south as some tribes tell the Explorers.
• New Turn? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 22:56, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

1496

Mod Event: Knowledge of the New World spread farther. The Ottoman Empire, Persia, Prussia, Russia  can attempt colonization. Amazonian, Caribbean, Huron, Seminole, Inuit, Cherokee, Incan, Aztec, and Mayans advance in technology. Aztecs and Mayans can now smelt bronze and make weapons and armor from them, and the Incans begin smelting iron. Amazonians offer the French a trade agreement, Sicily and Sardinia begin to revolt, demanding independence. French explorers meet the Incans.

• Siam: The colony in Balabac expands and controls the small island it rests upon. Colonists are sent to OTL Quezon and OTL San Jose de Buenavista. Invasion of Khmer continues (needs algorithm). An alliance is asked for with China, the navy is expanded, and explorers are sent farther into Indonesia and northern Australia.

• Scotland: Most of OTL Nova Scotia is claimed under the name "New Scotland". Preparations to invade Ireland are made and a third fleet is added to the Scottish home navy. Asks England to have Ireland partitioned after the invasion.

• I'm just going to point out that "Nova Scotia" literally translates to "New Scotland."
• Exactly :p

• Sweden starts a colony in OTL Lake Maracaibo. The colony begins to expand. 

• By the way, Daxus, your algorithm is done and you gain 15% of Khmer lands. However, you can continue the war until 1500 and then you could annex the Khmer empire completely.
• That's what I meant, I just thought I would need continued algorithms.

• France: The offer from the Amazonians in Nouvelle Terre Vertes (New Green Lands) is accepted, the colonies expand, while the expedition group returns to the Panamanian colony, telling stories of a Great Civilization in the south. While this, military is built up and the city of Nouvelle Orleans becomes the Capital of the New Colonies north to the Spanish. While Nouvelle Marseille (OTL Cartagena) becomes the Capital of the ones south to the Spanish colonies. Another colony is made in OTL Rio de Janeiro and OTL Nueva Esparta Venezuela.

• Holy Islamic Caliphate: The two tiny nations separating the Caliphates lands and quite easily conquers them, annexing them. Caliphate forces then invade the Crimea and prepare to invade Wallachia. The Caliphate establishes a colony on Canterbury in Australia while a colony is established in OTL Charleston Harbor, and it is named New Antara. The Caliphate also invades and occupies the little remnants of the Byzantine Empire and annexes it, moving the capitol to Constantinople.
• Caliphate Province of Slovenia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Rumelia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Anatolia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Candar: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Byzantine: Troops are sent to fight.
• Mod: No. So far only Siam knows of Australia and their knowledge is limited to rough maps of the northern coast. The Byzantine Empire was annexed in 1453, and the Crimean Khanate is your vassal.
• England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and sends in more troops to Dublin in preparation for its military campaign against Ireland. Builds more ships and settles in OTL New York, Philadelphia and Halifax. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of a sloop. Plans for an all out invasion of Ireland and asks Scotland to join.
• Mod: Portugal got there first.
• Spain: Spain continues to build the navy. Spain blockades the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea, and only lets vessels of Catholic nations through. Troops are sent to Sicily and Sardinia to put down the revolt. Colonies are founded in Venezuela, Panama and Santa Elena.
  • Hispaniola: colony is expanded.
  • La Florida: colony is expanded.
  • Cuba: colony is expanded.
  • Jamaica: colony is expanded.
  • Bahamas: colony is expanded.
  • Puerto Rico: colony is expanded.

Using and typing on my phone is not easy, especially when I keep getting edit blocked and have to retype everything. (DeanSims: Talk) 03:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)===1497===

1497

Mod Event: Knowledge of the New World spreads, Oman, Yemen, Gujarat, and Vijayanagar can attempt colonization. Knowledge of strange landmass to the south of Indochina spreads to Khmer, Dai Viet who can now attempt colonization. A French ranch has a problem when a herd of horses break out and run in the direction of the Incan Empire. The Incas, Seminoles, Carib, Yurok, Cherokee, Huron, Sioux and Inuit advance in technology, the Mayans and Aztecs can now smelt iron, Huron discover masonry. The Carib natives launch another attack, destroying the Jamaica colony and damaging the Hispaniola colony once more. Contact with the Seminoles and Spanish occurs, and it is not hostile, Amazonians begin being integrated into French colonies, bringing their religion and culture with them. Rebels in Sicily and Sardinia grow in numbers.

• May I say, how could the Incas get horses if my nearest colony is in Panama, and their northern frontier is in Ecuador? I mean, maybe next year or in 1499. After all, the horses would need to cross a lot of jungle to reach them. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 23:02, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
• I'll edit it, but I would like to point out horses run FAST.
• Siam: Conquest of Khmer continues. Colonists are sent to OTL Manila, OTL Palawan, OTL Darwin and call the land New Siam. Buddhist missionaries are sent to the Malayan Peninsula, and a Buddhist monastery is opened in Malacca. Scientists begin researching gunpowder and the printing press. Schools open with mandatory grades 1-4.
  • Balabac Colony: Develops and population increases.
  • Philippines Colony: Expands and develops.
  • New Siam Colony: Expands and develops.

• Holy Islamic Caliphate: The Caliphate annexes its Crimean Vassal and it becomes a province. The Caliphate invades the four or five little states (needs algorithm) in the Caucasus and plows through them easily, annexing them. Caliphate forces then invade Wallachia (needs algorithm). Charleston is expanded. The Caliphate begins to settle the Arabian Peninsula and troops begin to conquer it.
• Caliphate Province of Slovenia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Rumelia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Anatolia: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Candar: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Byzantine: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Crimea: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Caucasus: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Charleston: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Judea: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Mecca: Troops are sent to fight.
• Caliphate Province of Hejaz: Troops are sent to fight.
• Mod: First of all, without wars (algorithms) you can't annex anything - not even the two small states from 1496, neither the Caucasus and second, as far as the Ottomans know, Australia doesn't exist. However, you can try to put colonies in Somalia and the East African coast. My advice is that if you want more scoring, make more vassals instead of annexing them.

• OK, Charleston as in South Carolina, as in North America.

Can you please do the algorithms?

• I'm just going to point out this is 21 years after the death of Vlad the Impaler, so I wouldn't recommend invading Wallachia because at this point the Ottomans were afraid of the Wallachians.
• Another issue, the Atlantic is closed to the Muslims except for Morocco. Spain is now blockading the Gibraltar Strait and your colony will fall unless you make them change. Also, for the Spanish, Panama is pretty much mine, and which part of Venezuela?
  • ​I'm colonizing some part of those which have not been claimed yet. If Panama is implausible, then just scratch it. 

We will pay you, Spain, to allow us access, we beg you.

• My advice to you is to become an ally of the Northern African states or vassalize them. Then you can move troops and ships through North African and sail from Morocco. I, as France, would help you, but at least as far as I know, it could raise some revolts that I don't need.
• Or you could try to break the blockade. At this point the Ottomans are pretty tough and in a few decades invade Austria.
• MOD: An unexpected result turned out. The Ottoman Caliphate lost with 36% of its land being taken by the Dulkadir Ramanadanids which means that the Ottoman Empire collapses, to avoid further implausibility, Daxus, Civil War and New Byzantine Empire and Sultanate of Rum? Also the Caliphate of Mecca.
• Are you suggesting that the Ottomans die and several countries spring out of it?
• Well, that's more likely than their getting annexed by a country the size of Portugal. So, three years of war, then in 1499 civil war in which the Byzantines and other groups re-emerge and the Balkans and Anatolia end something like this.

  

  ending result

• Very well, I flipped a coin so this will be carried out. For the colony in America it will become an independent city-state.
• Very well. This, people, is the reason I don't go to war too often in map games without being a coalition war, or without being ready for the war.

Please don't destroy me. I'll stop expanding and you can remove all posts after the Egypt treaty.

• Inca: Horses are used in the military and the army increases. An explosive black powder is found in one of the horses saddlebags, and production begins to see if it can be used for weapons. Horses also aid in expansion deeper into South America. Explorers discover the Panama colony and ask its owner for trade and an alliance. Research into casting metal begins.
  • Mod: Horses haven't reached you yet, and there is no way in hell that the Incas can produce it at this time, not to mention the horses escaped from a ranch and wouldn't have any packs on them, and for the love of the Four Crown Princes use grammar!
• ​The Scandinavian Union continues to expand its colony on Lake Maracaibo and establishes a new one in OTL Rio de Janeiro. 
• Mod: People, read other people's posts! France colonized there last turn already.
• England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and sends in more troops to Dublin in preparation for its military campaign against Ireland. Builds more ships and sends a fleet, similar to Vasco Da Gama's that will hopefully land in China and Siam. Manchester, Canterbury and York is modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight. Begins invading Ireland. (Algorithm please)
  • British Canada: Expands and increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians.
  • Mod: I really don't know what you mean by "modernize" because at this time Europe was still a tick or three less advanced than Asian cultures.

1498

Mod Event: Knowledge of the New World spreads farther. Siam, Khmer, and China can attempt colonization. Knowledge of Northern Australia spreads farther. Vijayanagar and China can attempt colonization . Ottomanistan becomes self reliant and makes trade with the Seminoles. All native Americans advance in technology, Inuit discover masonry and Huron discover bronze smelting. Due to their close proximity in South America a Swedish-French-Amazonian culture emerges. Escaped horses reach the Incas. Sicilian and Sardinian rebels ask for foreign assistance and pity.

in the Anatolian Peninsula the war the Ottomans started continues without success as the Dulkadir and Ramadanids troops hold the Ottomans as the War continues and the Sultan of the Dulkadir continues convincing the Sultan of The Ramadanids to Fight against the Ottomans. While this, some revolts occur in the regions of the Balkans, in the once regions of the Bulgars, Serbia and Parts of Achaea.

Siam: Invasion  of Khmer continues, colonists are sent to OTL Broome, OTL Laoag, and OTL Cabo San Lucas, ca lling the peninsula of OTL Baja California "New Malaysia" due to both places being peninsulas. Gunpowder is made but it is not nearly as" explosive as that in guns and research continues, a large paper factory is built in Bangkok and a printing press is made.

• North Philippines Colonies: Expand and develop.
• Balabac Colony: Loses colonial title and is integrated into the country.
• New Siam Colonies: Expand and develop.
• New Malaysia Colony: Expands and develops.
• Eh.. I don't think Siam should go too far yet. You've barely reached Australia, and I don't think that Siam could be able to cross the largest ocean of the world yet, without Chinese help - maybe in ten years
• LOL Nope, at this time the Far East was at about the same technological level as the Westerners.
• Incan Empire: Strange animals are found and are named mustangs. Mustangs begin to be used to transport goods throughout the empire, increase the settling of the rest of South America. They are also used for archers, and these new units are called Mustang Archers, and they allow the military to be built up. Military buildup continues. The Panama colony is asked for wheat and barley seed and some cattle. We offer maize, llamas and tomatoes in return.

Incas, Aztecs and Mayans didn't have bows. Although they were pretty good technologically, bows were never invented. Also, mustang is so not a plausible name for Incas to name horses.

I can make up a name for my horses and I can invent a bow, and I'm quite sure they did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_army#Weapons 

Every native tribe south of the Mexican-American border didn't have bows and arrows, they used javelins, and Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source. Also, I'm booting you from the game because of terrible grammar, implausibilities (due to lack of historical knowledge), changing nations, and uncrossing yourself out.

There's no rule against changing nations, and grammar is no reason. It's not as if I'm just putting nonsense. And Mustangs is a made up word for the Inca. It's fine. You're mad at me because of the other map games. And Incas had bows and arrows.

http://www.localhistories.org/inca.html

It said they knew of them but didn't use them. If they knew of them, then they could use them, so I added them to my military. Checkmate The Americans also know of spears, we ain't using them in our military. GTFO out of my game.

I love it when I win

• Spain: Tales begin circulating throughout the empire about cities of gold, and other such fantastic places. The navy is expanded and the blockade continues. Troops remain in Sardinia and Sicily to hunt down any remaining rebels that may still be there.

• • • Hispaniola: colony is expanded.
    • La Florida: colony is expanded.
    • Cuba: colony is expanded.
    • Jamaica: colony is expanded.
    • Bahamas: colony is expanded.
    • Puerto Rico: colony is expanded.
    • Venezuela: colony is expanded
    • Santa Elena: colony is expanded. A garrison of troops is sent due to the proximity to the Muslim colony. 
    • Panama: Colony is expanded. (I didn't know that this area was undergoing colonization when I posted it, so if it is implausible to put a colony there, then just scratch it out.)
    • Panama, I think, is large enough for more than one colony, but borders will be made eventually. Also, the Jamaica colony was destroyed by the Caribs. What do you mean "may still be there"? They have grown in numbers...
• France: Military build up continues and the colonies expand, a colony is founded at the mouth of the river called the Alba River (Amazonas) as it seems a great position for a colony. While this, an alliance is asked of the Scandinavian Union.
• Scotland: With News of this New 'Australia' Land, ships are built and some of the best explorers around are sent to find/explore/colonize. Colony in North America has expanded.
• S.S. Mod: No, read the damned mod event.

1499

Mod Event: Knowledge of the New World spreads farther. All nations but Zulu and Great Zimbabwe can colonize the New World. Knowledge of Australia spreads farther. Gujarat, Joseon, Ainu and Satsunan can attempt colonization. Abdul Alhazred, a Sufi missionary, arrives in Ottomanistan and converts most the population but Sunnis who care little for Sufism leave. Ottomanistan offers Spain a trade agreement, Seminoles, seeing that their attacks are working with little backlash, attack and destroy the Puerto Rico colony. All Native Americans advance in technology. Huron and Inuit can now smelt bronze. Native Americans are hit by a terrible plague and 30% of their population dies, and 15% of colonists die. Sardinia and Trincaria declare independence as the Isles of Italy.

Next turn one lucky nation will be hit by the Series of Unfortunate Events! (RNG Event)

• Spain: Troops are sent to attack the rebels and put the Mediterranean states firmly under their control. Troops are also sent to the New World to protect the colonies and destroy the "heathens." The Spanish begin killing and enslaving all natives that refuse to convert to Catholic Christianity. They begin in the Caribbean Islands, and will work their way through Florida into North America. Most of those who convert still become slaves.
  • Hispaniola: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  • La Florida: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  • Cuba: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  • Bahamas: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  •  Venezuela: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  • Santa Elena: colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
  • Panama: Colony is expanded, and troops are sent there.
    • Seminole (Mod) D: Ask for peace with Spain since the Seminoles have shown no aggression. In return, the Seminoles will help combat the Carib.
    • Ottomanistan (Mod) D: We ask that you refrain from genocide, as the Natives are swell trading partners! Speaking of, care for a trade agreement?

Mod: Colonies are NOT expanding, there is a plague.

• Siam: Colonists are sent to OTL Bocolod, OTL Melville Island, OTL Galapagos Islands, and more colonists are sent to New Malaysia with plenty of doctors and medicine to deal with the plague crisis. The Invasion of Khmer continues and begin producing turtle ships en masse. More research goes into gunpowder and manages to make it explosive enough for short range guns.
  • Philippines Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population.
  • New Siam Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population. Contact with aborigines takes place and the Colonies isolate themselves.
  • New Malaysia Colony: Renamed "New Malacca," and several quarantine zones are instituted to deal with infected, and burning of corpses begins. Decrease in population develops. Contact with native tribes take place and colonists are unsure how to deal with them.
• Scotland: Great Lakes are found and The land claim in the New World is expanded, more migrants to the New World are sent after the disease has been eradicated naturally. Colony attempts expansion west, south of the now dubbed "St. Laurence River" to Eastern OTL Ontario and South to OTL northern New York State. Farming in the least-hit colonized zones is increased.'
• Mod: Who said it was already eradicated? When 15% of your population dies, you don't get bigger.
• England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland (algorithm please). The fleet passes the OTL Cape of Good Hope. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. Settles in The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight.
  • British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The plague forced the colony to focus on hygiene and the scientific way of eradicating disease. Bringing the birth of the branch of medicine.
• France: The colonies in South America expand, but the Virginian and New Orleans' Colonies stay static as the plague hits them. While this, the navy is expanded and military is built up, and in an attempt to aid the Greek Christians some weapons are sent into the Greek coast to aid them rise up against the Ottomans.

1500

Mod Event: Knowledge of Australia spread farther. Persia, Oman, and Majahapit can colonize. The Series of Unfortunate Events hits Spain! Granada declares independence, and is backed by military support from Morocco, Savoy offers to buy Sardinia (if refused rebel thoughts remain in Sardinia) and threatens with war if the offer is refused. Carib natives destroy the Puerto Rico colony! Sunnis from Ottomanistan somehow arrive in Trinidad and form Arylanlaristan. The plague continues and 60% of natives and 35% of colonists die and 40% in Spanish colonies before it dies. All native tribes discover masonry and the Inuit and Huron learn to smelt iron. Aztecs and Mayans receive horses from Incan Traders.

In the Balkans revolution breaks out. New nations arise, and the Byzantine Empire Returns, Bigger and Greater than in its near past, a Venetian-Greek Inhabitant whose Name is Julius Capuletto (LOL) becomes the leader of the new empire, under the Name of Constantinos Neologos (more LOL)

I'm not a mod, but my Puerto Rico colony was already destroyed by Carib natives last turn. Wegscuba (talk) 20:12, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

My bad!

• Spain: Unable to deal with the rebellious provinces at the moment, Spain sells Savoy both Sardinia, and Sicily to boost their Treasury. Spanish troops promptly invade Granada and Morocco (mods do algorithm). The killing of native Carib islanders continues. Due to the rebellions, the Inquisition is widely increased, and many of the "heathens" are also enemies of the state. The Mediterranean blockade continues. The Spanish hear the plea of the Seminoles, and they are told that if they convert and reject their heathenism they will not only be spared, but they will be under Spain's protection (and essentially become a puppet of the Spanish empire.) If they do not, then they will be killed.

Colonies: A wave of panic spreads through the colonies due to the disease. A new "colony" is founded in OTL Nicaragua. Everyone infected with the plague is sent there to live. Soldiers manage to keep order in the colonies for now.

Seminoles D (Mod): 'Most of our peoples in our northern land have converted to Islam, but all remaining Seminoles will convert, but allow us to stay autonomous.

Arylanlaristan D (Mod): We offer a joint cooperation to the destruction of the Caribs.

Spain D: We will only spare the converts. We'll give you time to try to convert the Muslims as well. Siam: More colonists are sent, land in New Malaysia, OTL San Francisco where they create New Bangkok, while others are sent to Sumatra and Southern Makassar. Khmer is formerly annexed and becomes part of Siam, and many war-weary troops return home to rest. Recent breakthroughs in gunpowder allow for the Siamese to become on par with the Europeans in weaponry. A liberal movement sweeps through the nation, and most heretics of Malaysia convert to Buddhism.

Philippines Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population.

New Siam Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population. Some guns were fired at hostile-looking aborigines.

New Malacca: With the plague now gone and doctors, medicines and newcomers arriving the colony manages to expand, develop and increase in population.

New Bangkok: Expands, develops and increases in population.

Galapagos Colonies: Colonize Pinta and Marchen, increase in population and develop.

Sumatra Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population.

Makassar Colonies: Expand, develop and increase in population.

Scotland: More people sign up for 'post plague' (that is, if it ends) and a colony-based attempt to explore farther west is readied. Military stances on Ireland get serious and more naval fleets are built to protect Scotland.

France: The South American colonies expand, and the Great Lakes are discovered. An outpost is set in them to begin a later expansion. While this, military is built up, and several. The Caribs are offered aid in protecting their lands from the Spanish if they agree to become active allies of the French who will not force them to Christianize, same with the Arylanlaristanians. The Byzantine Empire is asked for an alliance.

Carib D: Accept.

Arlanlaristan D: Declines I'll do the algorithms tomorrow, OK?

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland (algorithm please). The fleet passes the OTL Cape of Good Hope. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. Settles in The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight. Hundreds of ships is built to settle in the New World as quickly as possible as the plague ends. A team of explorers, led by John Cabot, discovers the Great Lakes also and explores to OTL Duluth.

British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. As a result of the plague, the first medicinal academy is opened in OTL Boston.

1501

Mod Event: All countries can now colonize the New World. Siam learns of Eastern and Southern Australia, knowledge of Australia spreads farther. All Asian countries can colonize it.

Savoy forms Piedmont-Sardinia and invades Genoa, annexing it. Northern Muslim Seminoles, afraid of the Spanish, flee into the walls of Ottomanistan, who hires several mercenary corps in case Spain tries anything, while the southern ones begin converting to Catholicism.

Arylanlaristan declares war on the Carib. All native Americans can now smelt bronze.'''Ziyyanids and Hafsids join the war against Spain. Persia begins a military campaign to regain lost lands.'Protestantism hits the Northern Incan lands, mixing with local beliefs and traditions. The idea of independence reaches some colonies, but it is just a thought.

Spain: The Spanish begin to send more settlers into the colonies to further expand them. The Spanish continue to fight in Morocco (mods can do the algorithm). Spain asks the Pope to get other nations in the fight. Spanish Colonies: Settlers arrive, and they begin to expand again. Jamaica is repopulated. The colonies are re-organized into Spanish Carribea (all Caribbean colonies), La Florida (Florida and Santa Elena), Venezuela and Panama.

France: The Kingdom expands its colonies, an alliance to the Seminole. While this, the military is built up and a colony is set in Cape of Good Hope..

Mod: Read the rules.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland (algorithm please). The fleet lands in China and Siam, asking them for an alliance. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight. A team of explorers, led by John Cabot, discovers the Great Lakes also and explores to OTL Rapid City. As the plague dies down, the ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in OTL Portland Chareston and Richmond.

British Canada and USA: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. As a result of the plague, the first medicinal academy is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to Albany.

Siam D: Alliance offer accepted .

Mod: That's where Ottomanistan is.

1502

The USA didn't exist until 1776. It was New England and/or the Thirteen colonies.

Mod Event: Caribs learn how to build strong ships, and Incans develop a writing system. Knowledge of Australia spreads farther. Ottomans, Mecca and the Sultanate of Rum can now colonize. Arlanlaristan manages to push the Caribs off several islands, and Huron proposes trade with the Scottish and English. The Amazonians are incorporated more into French colonies.

Siam discovers Eastern Australia. Japan: Colonization expands to OTL Hokkaido, OTL Sakhalin and OTL Kamchatka. Industrializes Kyoto, Tokyo, Nagasaki, Osaka, Hiroshima, Sendai, Yokohama, Kobe, and Saporo after colonization.

Mod: Japan hasn't been united yet.

Siam: Invasion of Dai Viet begins, with 85,000 troops being sent, as well as a large fleet of 20 turtle boats (algorithm). The king declares himself emperor, and creates a weak senate. Colonists are sent to OTL Los Angeles, OTL Los Mochis, OTL Ketaping, OTL Carins, and OTL Hawaii.

Philippine Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

New Malaysia Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population. Buddhist monastery created in New Bangkok. 'New Siam Colonies: ' Expand, develop, increase in population.

Sumatra Colonies: ' Expand, develop, increase in population. Buddhist missionaries arrive. Borneo Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population. Buddhist missionaries arrive.

Galapagos Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in size, spread to Isla Genovesa, Darwin Island and Wolf Island.

Scotland: Entirety of OTL Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have been claimed for Scotland and Asked England to do the invasion in 1503. Navy and Military expanded.

France: The Colonies expand, and in Michigan's east coast a Colony is made called Nouvelle Calais, while in OTL Washington D.C. While this Expansion continues, and with it military development, the navy is build up as an invasion plan for Carthage is built up, the Byzantines are offered an alliance.

Byzantines D: Accepts OK, Daxus. I know Asian cultures were as much developed as European, but you begin colonizing before news could really reach you from America and even so, I don't think any real leader would send their people to a land they don't even know just for pure land, Having this said, your colonies are implausible, at least by now, though you can re-try in ten years after exploring most of Asia and North American Pacific Let me keep these two colonies, then I'll stop for a while. Also, I don't think Hawaii is too implausible.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland (algorithm please). The fleet lands in China and Siam, asking them for an alliance. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight. A team of explorers, led by John Cabot, discovers the Great Lakes also and explores to OTL Rapid City. As the plague dies down, the ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond.

British Canada and USA: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. As a result of the plague, the first medicinal academy is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to NewFoundland and Labrador and expands inland to Albany.

1503

Mod Event: Knowledge of Australia spread farther. Russia, the Byzantines, and the Egyptians can now colonize. Arlanlaristan and Ottomanistan ask for a trade deal with Spain and France.

Siam: Explorers are sent to the near-Pacific regions to get more accurate maps of islands, and explorers are sent around the Colonies to better understand nearby resources and map. Invasion of Dei Viet continues (still needs algorithm). Women receive the right to vote in the senate. Colonists are sent to OTL Tacloban.

New Malaysia Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway.

Philippines Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway.

New Siam Colonies: Some trade is arranged with aborigines. Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway.

'Sumatra Colonies:' 'Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway. Buddhist missionaries continue to spread the faith.

Borneo Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway. Buddhist missionaries continue to spread the faith. lation, mapping is underway. Most islands are colonized.

Hawaii Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population, mapping is underway. Few islands are colonized. Scotland: Invasion launched on Northern Ireland, Asks England to take the south. Colonies in North America expand. A Scottish ship lands in Northern South America and a colony begins there, using the resources of the area. Halifax is established as the Capital of the colony of "New Scotland" or Nova Scotia. Internal infrastructure and technology expands widely. A smaller version of a musket is developed, Dubbed "The Handgun" and given a nickname 'The Scottish Revolver' because of its revolving magazine.

Mod: Could you be a bit more specific? There is a lot of North in South America. Mod: If he means Colombia and Venezuela and most of eastern Guyana, Scotland can't as most of this coast is under Spanish, French and Swedish control.

Mod: Magazines still won't be invented for a few more centuries.

Byzantine Empire: Fortifies its Ottoman borders, and sends out four ships to colonize that which is now North-East Brazil. Meanwhile, Constantinus Neologos is deposed in a coup, and the former Grand General Jontiben takes charge of the Empire. He immediately embarks on a program to boost Byzantium's appalling level of literacy by improving the education system and building libraries throughout the empire There's no way any coup would succeed on taking him out, he's of Greek descent, and he freed Greece. It's like if the Americans killed Washington, it would end up in a civil war, I feel fine about the colony, though. I just feel I need to explain how I came to power.

Mod: If he means Colombia and Venezuela and most of eastern Guyana, Scotland can't as most of this coast is under Spanish, French and Swedish control. The Scandinavian Union (sorry for going MIA) continues to expand its colonies in OTL Venezuela and Texas. A new settlement begins in OTL New Jersey and also in OTL Rio de Janeiro.

France: The military is built up, and so is the navy, the colonies expand and another colony is made in OTL Vermont. The colony at The Amazons expand, and another colony is made in Northern Mexico near Texas.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland and take Wicklow and Wexford. The fleet returned. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of freight. As the plague dies down, the ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine.

British Canada and USA: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first medicinal academy in OTL Boston grew into a larger academy and is becoming a university. The settlement expanded to NewFoundland and Labrador and expands inland to Albany. Hudson Bay is discovered.

1504

Mod Event: Knowledge of Australia spreads farther, Hafsids, Ziyyanids, and Scandinavian Union can now colonize. France, Spain, Scotland, England, and Portugal learn of the numerous New World food crops. A census shows that most people of Hispaniola are Vodunist (Voodoo) due to the massive amounts of imported slaves.' Amazonians can now smelt iron, and have begun the domestication of horses. Voting on the names for the New World is taking place on the Talk page.

Byzantine Empire: The Byzantine Colony in the new world begins claiming land and clearing trees for farming. In Europe, the port at Athens begins constructing a caravel to add to the empire's fairly pathetic navy.

SS Mod: Do you know what history IS? The Amazonians are passive and have yet to raid anyone, and it is the Incas, Aztecs and Mayans that have gold. All of these are empires you have yet to make contact with, and who said you could control the Amazonians?

I've never played before, and the way I see this is basically a more-or-less historical role-play. And another thing, this is not history, this is alternate history. I'll change it, but I don't see how what I did would be illegal. Just understand what is alternate in this game and what is not.

Russia: After hearing about the riches that many nations are gaining from the Americas, the Tsar decides to embark on a massive modernization campaign. The Tsar orders that the Navy in particular be built up, as it will be necessary to colonize the Americas.

Spain: The war in Morocco continues. Spanish Privateers begin raiding merchant shipping out of the Muslim countries in the New World. Meanwhile, Hernan Cortes contacts the Mayans ... and successfully steals a lot of gold. A new colony is founded in OTL Nicaragua.

Carribea: Expands.

La Florida: Expands inland.

Venezuela: Expands Panama: Expands.

SS Mod: So you're sending Hernan Cortes to kill Mayans? I'm just going to point out that at this time the Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs are on-par with the Europeans tech-wise, save for the fact that they don't have gunpowder. Also ATL Hernan invaded the Aztecs, and be more specific as to which islands the Carribea colonies spread to GOW.

Mod: You have already made a colony in Nicaragua, though small Why would you send a 19 year old who's probably something less than a private to them?

'Good point about him being 19, I'll substitute someone else. I know he invaded the Aztecs, but the Mayans are closer, and he didn't get to the Aztecs until the 1520s. He's not killing Mayans, just stealing their gold. They won't go back again without a HUGE army. The colony previously made in Nicaragua was just a bunch of sick people I put there so everyone else wouldn't get the plague. Now, several miles south, a legitimate colony is being made. Wegscuba (talk) 01:49, February 11, 2013 (UTC

'''IF NO ONE ELSE VOTES, NORTH AMERICA WILL BE NAMED TERRA LIBERARUM.

Siam: Invasion of Dei Viet, and an explorer creates a better map of the Red Sea and more specifically the Sinai Peninsula, which the Siamese now understand would be an important trading post, and production of war-galleys, caravels, turtle ships increases, and a prototype galleon is made. Colonists are sent to OTL Townsville and OTL Mackay. Muskets become standard-issue to every soldier.

Kala Pa Kos Colonies (formerely Galapagos): All islands now have at least a minor settlement on them, and mapping of the nearby islands and Incan Coast begins. Expand, develop, increase in population.

New Malaysia Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Philippine Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Sumatra Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Borneo Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Hawaii Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population. Half of the archipelago is colonized.

'New Siam: ' Expand, develop, increase in population.

France: military is build up as the colonies expand.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Sothern Ireland.  Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of steel. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and builds ten ships for a major settling movement

British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes.

1505

Mod Event: Persia re-unifies, and now most people in the Spanish Hispaniola colony are Vodunist (Voodoo), and the amount shall only increase until action is taken. Ottomanistan asks Spain to stop hiring privateers and builds up its merchant navy and navy to combat these privateers. The Incans hire a scientist from a Scandinavian colony to explain gunpowder, and the Incans may not be far from unlocking the secret of guns. Piedmont-Sardinia offers to buy Kaffa (Crimean Peninsula) from the New Byzantines. North America has been named Terra Liberarum (Land of the Free in Latin). Voting on what to name South America will take place on the Talk page.

Russia: Begins to expand eastward, extending its territory to around Krasyonarsk, as the Tsar's Army faces little to no opposition from the natives in that region. At the same time, a fleet of hastily constructed ships arrives at and colonizes Svalbard, which was previously uninhabited. They found a city there, naming it Zenitgrad. The Tsar hopes that the planned port there could help in colonizing Greenland, and, eventually, North America itself.

Byzantine Empire: The colony in the New World is reinforced and expanded. Five ships carrying colonists and troops found a new colony at the OTL Cape of Good Hope. An economic crash has brought the horrible state of Byzantium's economy into public light. As a result, the trade fleet is expanded and the Terra Liberarum colony increases the cost to dock in the harbor. As for the Crimean Peninsula, Sardinia is asked what the Byzantine Empire will get in return.

• Byzantine Colony: Borrowing a name from Portugal, the Byzantine colony in Terra Liberarum is named Brazil.

Read the Rules, next person to try to break that rule will be banned for one turn. Terra Liberarum is North America.

• Piedmont-Sardinia (Mod): Military access, money (which will much be needed for the New Byzantines), and respect.
• Byzantine Empire: Only if you throw in three fully outfitted caravels.

Russia: Russia continues to fortify Zenitgrad, and intend to turn it into an impregnable fortress-city. A flotilla of ships is assembled to colonize Greenland and prpare to set out from Zenitgrad. Meanwhile, the Tsar's army continues its drive eastward, entering Yamalia. Soon, all of the unclaimed land in Northern Asia will be Russian. The tribesmen in the Siberian peninsula hold a sort of a plebiscite, choosing to join Tsarist Russia.

Spain: The Moroccan-Spanish war ends, with Spain in control of the parts of Morocco bordering the Mediterranean. Spanish privateers conduct a coordinated massacre in Ottomanistan, killing a lot of civilians. A task force begins to be assembled to combat the Mayans. The Aztecs and Incans are also contacted, although under more peaceful circumstances. The Spanish empire secretly hopes to take over these natives as well. New colonies are founded at the mouth of the Amazon River and at the mouth of the Rio de la Plata.

• Ottomanistan hired many companies of mercenaries.
• Florida :Expands west, towards the gulf of Mexico.
• Carribea: Expands west in Cuba. An inqusitior's court is established in Hispaniola. Vodunists (Voodoo) are imprisioned, and jails are soon full. hangings and torture begin to be commonplace.
• Venezuela: Expands southeast.
• Panama and Nicaragua: Expand and merge, under a single colony, Nicaragua.

Siam: Colonists are sent to OTL Guatemala, where the French are encountered, and the Emperor decides this would be a grande trading port, while more colonists are sent to OTL Port Hedland and Karratha. We offer a trade deal with France. The Invasion of Dai Viet continues, and a naval assault of the Sinai Peninsula is prepared for. A Naval Academy is built in the Hawaii, New Malaysia, and Kala Pa Kos colonies. Naval and military buildup continues

• New Malaysia Colonies: While the southern peninsula of OTL Baja California remains, the northern, OTL California colonies split off and become Tnmi Hiy. Expand, develop, increase in population. A Naval Academy is built
• Tnmi Hiy Colonies: Expand, develope, increase in population. A forum is made to discuss many things with the Natives, which are now being called Fiela Nan (Those in Thai).
• Kala Pa Kos: Expands, develops, increases in population. Galapagos Tortoises are shipped back to Siam as a type of extravagant thing.
• Philippines Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population, the entire archipelago is now under Siamese control.
• Sumatra Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Borneo Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.

• Hawaii Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population. At least a small colony exists on each island.
• Guatemala Colony: Expands, develops, increases in size, and envoy is sent to a nearby French colony as a greeting.
• New Siam: Expand, develop, increase in population.

Russia: All of the unoccupied land in northern Asia is now Russian, officially making Russia the largest (in territory, anyway) country on Earth. Russia establishes a colony in OTL Botany Bay, which they name New Petrograd. A Russian flotilla lands in Greenland and establishes a colony, as well as a friendly relationship with the natives. The military, particularly the navy, continues to be built up and the modernization campaign continues. Serfdom is abolished. A Russian naval fleet lands in OTL Alaska and begins to trek inwards, founding a colony: New Archangelsk.

SS Mod: You are booted for illegally taking three turns in one, removing cross outs, deleting a mod post, ignoring mods, and excessive implausibility.

Very sorry about that. (although I'm not sure where I deleted cross-outs...) I'm kind of new to map gaming. I guess I didn't realize that. I'm so sorry. Sincerely, 108.217.44.235

France: The military is built up, a colony is made in OTL French Guiana and the colonies expand, I'll do real map later, OK?

The Scandinavian Union continues to expand its colonies on OTL Maracaibo and OTL Texas. Accepts British Alliance.  

Format Fixed!

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of rifle. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends with a settlement in OTL Norfolk, Dover, Maracaibo and Tampico. Sends a secret offer to France and Spain for a major offensive of the Incans before they reach similar technology like the Europeans.

British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. 

British Mexico: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs.

British South America:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians.

You have yet to make contact with the Incas

1506

Knowledge of Australia spreads farther, all nations east of France may now attempts colonization. Ottomanistan becomes very wealthly, and decides to make a large donation to their southern brothers, the Arylanlars. Yurok, Hurons and Seminoles have begun the domestication of horses. Voting on names for Central America will take place on the Talk page, South America is now Amazonia.

Byzantine Empire: Five ships, which were meant for South Africa but ran into a strange, persistent storm, have founded a colony in north-western Australia. The Byzantine diplomats in Sardinia state that they will accept the offer that has been given to them only if the Piedmont-Sardinians throw in three fully outfitted caravels.

Piedmont-Sardinia D: Accept

'Just about all of Northern Australia is owned by Siam'.

Siam D: We offer fine East Asian goods in return for Western Weapons.

Byzantine D: We'll trade you 50 pikes and 70 shortswords in exchange for silk, shark skins and sappan wood. 

Siam D: We decline, as we just want more guns than we can currently produce.

Map games don't work like that.

You're not a mod. There's no point in deleting my post, and just "we accept" makes it sound like we'll trade muskets and gunpowder weapons as well. Stop deleting my post.

I made the game so I am a mod, and guns are the point of the agreement! Map games aren't about numbers and inventory, and 120 melee weapons are barely anything and Siam already has many of them.

Fine (I saw that EoGuy had edited it), but I will not trade any muskets or gunpowder weapons. We don't know the Siamese well enough to give them access to that kind of military power.

It's a good for their sake they have that type of power, just in more limited amounts.

• Katoikis tou Amazoniou: A second town farther inland is constructed, with two platoons sent to garrison it. Around it, more trees are cut down and farms are planted. The Amazonian Exarch (see below for why Byzantium is reusing Exarchs) is renamed Katoikisi tou Amazoniou, or "Amazonian habitation".
• Notia Katoikisi: The Australian colony begins trading with the natives, though soon finding that they have practically nothing they want. Plans are drawn up to invade a large section of the area and deport the natives to supplement the meagre workforce of the colony. After some deliberation, the Exarch (this is an Exarchate instead of a Theme, as this is not a military expedition. In the core of the Empire as well, the Themes are being changed back into Exarchates as they are more beneficial economically) and his magistrates have decided to name the colony "Notia Katoikisi", or "South habitation" in keeping with the theme (the other type than mentioned before) begun by the Amazonian colony (I have removed the Greek accent marks, as I can't type them on my computer).

Spain: Vodunism (Voodoo) begins to decline sharply (this is only due to the fact that most now practice in secret and cannot accurately be counted) The Mayans are invaded (mods do algorithm). Raids on merchant shipping out of Arylanlaristan and Ottomanistan increase, and privateers flock to the waters off these two small ports. Occasionally, even a Spanish naval vessel will "unknowingly" raid a merchant Ottomani ship. A large Spanish fleet to be known as the "Armada" begins construction. The blockade of Gibraltar is officially lifted (although, due to naval ships being needed elsewhere, the blockade wasn't nearly as formidable as it once was, and it was common to see whole merchant fleets slipping through the cracks.) A secret offer is sent to France to split the lands of the newly-discovered Incan empire among them.

• Florida: expands west towards the gulf.
• Carribea: Cuba and Venezuela expand west.
• Nicaragua: expand northwest along the Pacific Coast. 
• Venezuela: expands southeast.
• Rio de la Plata: Another settlement is founded on the opposite bank.
• Amazonas: expands.
• SS Mod: Just going to point out that a majority of the populace in Hispaniola is dead, so that colony is going to be reduced by 60%
• Ottomanistan D: We offer to pay a fee for the safe passage of our ships and Arylanlar ships.

Siam: Invasion of Dai Viet continues, and the navy is increased, and a squadron is sent to Europe on a diplomatic mission. The invention of the printing press reaps what it has sown and a census shows a 42% literacy rate and rising. The entire nation seems to have an insatiable craving for coffee, which is being imported from the New World. Contact with Arylanlaristan is made, which is disheartening, as it seems to the Siamese that Muslims will be an issue everywhere. The invasion of the Sinai Peninsula is canceled, and instead will invade Majahapit, and the Emperor receives two Giant Tortoises as pets and names one "Patience," and the other "Wisdom."

• New Malaysia: Coastal and inland discoveries are made. Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Tnmi Hiy Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Philippines Colonies: Loses Colonial Statuse and becomes an Imperial Province
• Sumatra Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Borneo Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Hawaii Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Kala Pa Kos: Expands, develops, increases in population.
• Guatemala Colony: Expands, develops, increases in size.
• New Siam: Expands, develops, increases in population. The Byzantine colony is reached, but the colony's origin is unknown.
• Makassar Colonies: Expand, develop, increase in population.
• Byzantine Diplomacy: I've decided that I WILL trade you a lot of gunpowder, muskets and cannon, IF you give me all of Siamese possessions in OTL Australia.
• Siamese D: Luckily we already have guns, and our need for more doesn't outway our rationality. That offer is ridiculously high. Economically, it has an extra chromosome and we are offended. You are lucky we do not burn your colony to the ground.

Byzantine Empire: More troops are sent to reinforce the garrison in Notia Katoikisi in response to recent diplomatic blunders on the Empire's part.

'SS Mod:  'Your colony was founded by shipwrecked survivors of a storm heading to Africa, the government has no way to know where they are, and even less knowledge of how to get there. The government would be sending ships to Africa to search, not immediately know where they are.

No, the storm surrounds Africa. They couldn't have gone that far away from their original course. They hit the storm, turned around and headed back to Constantinople, got refitted and then sent to colonize Australia which had just been heard of. They even had a map they bought from a Dutch explorer in harbor.

Then you should have explained that, my criticism stands.

I could argue more, but there's no point as I found the "lost colony".

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of rifle. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and Richmond. Continues modernization and a major settling movement is in preparation. 

British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to NewFoundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

British Mexico: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs.

British South America:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians. A exploration party departures and discovers the Incas.

Vermont should be French.

France: The colonies expand and another colony is made in OTL Uruguay's west coast. The first attack is made to the Austrians ruling over Burgundy, Belgium is occupied by the French army, Military is built up.

1507

Mod Event: Knowledge of Australia spreads, all nations may now colonize it. Central America will now be referred to as Mestzico. Byzantine colonists, after a harsh year of being stranded build and send a ship, and manage to find a Byzantine ship searching waters around the Cape of Good Hope. Byzantium now knows the location of their colony! Due to Spain's actions against the Haitan Vodunists (Voodoo), the Hispaniola colony shrinks by 60%. Ottomanistan hires their own privateers and builds their own navy, and manages to stop most Spanish piracy, but the offer to pay a fee stands. Scotland offers to sell all their colonies to the Scandinavian Union. Voting on what to name Australia will take place on the Talk page.

Byzantine Empire: Ships are sent to two sites in eastern OTL Australia, and one to OTL Tasmania. The colonies have all been named as well. Troops are sent to reinforce the garrison in Notia Katoikisi. The main focus in the capital now is science, and the scientists are working on new ways to irrigate and fertilize more efficiently. Name list for new colonies- OTL Tasmania: Thamnos Katoikisi, South-Eastern OTL Australia: Dasikes Katoikisi, North-Eastern OTL Australia: Agones Katoikisi

• Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The colony expands slightly farther into the jungle. More trees are cut down and more farms planted. Each settlement is expected to have a thick wooden wall (more than a palisade), a muster field and at least 50 houses. Another town (not subject to the regulations stated above) is begun slightly north of the second town.
• Notia Katoikisi: Expands into the desert around it, deporting all the natives it finds into "involuntary servanthood", basically slavery with low pay. An irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate.
• Thamnos Katoikisi: Sets up farms and another settlement inland, begins expanding its borders and sets up a small fort on a cliff overlooking the sea.
• Dasikes Katoikisi: Begins farming, expands slightly inland and sets up another settlement.
• Agones Katoikisi: Sets up an irrigation and water collection system and begins farming.
• SS Mod: I would point out that Southern Australia hasn't been discovered, but I feel I've been too harsh.
• You said that Australia's been discovered. I took that to mean all of Australia.

Incan Empire: The Incas start building up their military. We have predicted that the white men will come soon.

• Siam D: We offer trade, primarily fine East Asian goods for Incan agriculture.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of rifle. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in OTL Perth named New Dover and a settlement in OTL Derby named New Cornwall. 

British Canada: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

British Mexico: Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecslili.

British South America:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians. A exploration party departs and discovers the In case'

New Derby: Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 100 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance.

New Cornwall: Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 100 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance"

Ottoman Diplomacy: An offer to Venice to buy Cyprus from Venice is made (this has no relation to the British above, but I forgot to post it under the Byzantine turn and I was afraid that you wouldn't notice it if I didn't post it down here).

Spain: The Spanish tell the Ottomani and Arylanlar governments that pirate raids will cease if an annual tax of 10% is paid to the Spanish every year. The Armada continues its construction. A colony is founded on the northern island in OTL New Zealand, Nueva Madrid. A new wave of colonists comes into all of the colonies, but very few enter Hispaniola and the surrounding islands. 

Ottomanistan D (Mod): We will pay for ourselves and our Arylanlar brothers.

SS Mod (Siam): Pointing out to Jontiben, that his Byzantine colony was placed where a Siamese one already existed (OTL Port Hedland), so I recolored it. Don't be angry, especially since just about of all Northern Australia is Siamese.

I moved it farther south. Sorry, I thought your colony was farther north.

Florida: expands southwestli.

Carribea: mainly expands to smaller outlying islands, but Cuba expands slightly west as well. The wave of colonists has increased Hispaniola's population to 50% of its original size. There is little loss of actual land, because they come into all settlements. However, there are many towns with very few people, and growth of the colony will be stunted for a few years .

Nicaragua: continues northwest expansion.

Venezuela: expands south and out.

Rio de la plata: both settlements expand along the coast.

Amazonas: expands generally outward and upriver.

Byzantine Diplomacy: Byzantine diplomats arrive in Madrid and ask for a trade agreement and alliance, due to our mutual dislike of the Ottomans.

Spanish D: If you're Byzantine, sure. If you're Ottoman, then no. I think you meant to type "Byzantine Diplomacy."

No one has signed up as the Ottoman Empire.

Yes, that was me being stupid... I play as the Ottoman Empire in another Map Game, and was thinking of that one. I fixed it.

Siam: Origins of other colonies in Australia are learned of, and Siam makes clear that it plans to own at least the entire northern coast - especially since it has a massive navy, modernized weapons, and is far closer. A military census shows that only two-thirds of the ships have any cannons, so the production of cannons is increased dramatically, raising the rate to five-sixths. Dai Viet is nearly ready to be annexed. Colonists are sent to OTL Eureka, Fiji and the southern coast of the Aufara sea.

New Malaysia Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Tnmi Hiy Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Sumatra Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Borneo Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Hawaii Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size. Merge with Kala Pa Kos.

Hala Pa Kos Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Guatemala Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

'Makassar Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size. Byzantine D:' Oh, you can have the northern coast. I'm mainly focused on the east, though I want some presence in the west as well. Please don't expand very far south.

Siam D: No promises.

<The Spanish colony at Amazonas would not exist. I pretty much control the mouth, Scandinavian Texas is almost not shown because he never posted that he made it, just that he expanded it and added outlines to Spanish Rio de la Plata. Also, I'm going to do the algorithms, but my advice is that you make the draft, let's say, Spanish-Portuguese war, and add the location, and other stuff in blank, then I fill it, OK? Sine dei gloriem (talk) 03:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

You got rid of all of my colonies in Australia/Tasmania... I'm going to edit them in.

​France: The military is build up, the colonies expand, and the troops continue occupying Belgium.

==1508==

Mod Event: Incans near a breakthrough in gunpowder technology; Siam may now annex Dei Viet.Australian aborigines become afraid of the incoming colonists, begin building more weapons, and even make some deals for better ones. The Carib demand that Spain leave Cuba, and Arylanlaristan promises Spain support for any future attackers on the Carib. Inuit hire a Scottish scientist from a colony to aid them in attempts to make gunpowder.A Zoroastrian revival movement sweeps across southern Persia, and the southern Mongol Hordes.Australia has been named Thalerthray.

Byzantine Empire: A new colony in far southern Thalerthray is founded and named Katoikisi Pediades, and another one in OTL North Island New Zealand (you never said New Zealand was off limits) named Prasino Katoikisi. More focus is put into science and education and the Universities of Constantinople, Athens and Amazoniou are founded, along with many schools and libraries throughout the empire. OTL Tasmania is named Thamnos, since no one else seems to care about naming it. All siege and defense engineers are now expected to be able to construct catapults, as they are fairly easy to build and can fire practically anything. 34,000 Byzantine troops (two-thirds of the standing forces in and around the Mediterranean basin) storm the beaches of Cyprus, supported by 11 caravels and five galleons.

LOL, nope

Too implausible, you already have several colonies in Thalterthray and one in Brazil, why not colonize the moon while you're at it?  Not to mention the Spanish already have a colony on the northern island of OTL New Zealand (Nueva Madrid).

Can I at least have a colony in South Island OTL New Zealand? I was planning to take the next turn to consolidate my holdings, anyway. Besides, the colonial powers of the 16th century had dozens of colonies. Look at Great Britain's holdings just in OTL U.S. 13 colonies! That doesn't even take into account the ones it had in Canada and all the colonies in Africa.

No, you are hardly as powerful as almost every other colonial power, but you are getting there.

Cyprus is siezed! (don't make any Venetian repercussions, because it turns out they don't own it. I was looking at Crete). I really don't think that I need an algorithm, because it's so small, and I've been building up my military for several years.

No algorithm, wait for Sine, and post about your invasion first, also the troop number.

Cyprus's beaches are stormed by 34,000 troops (two-thirds of the entire Byzantine military stationed in and around the Mediterranean basin)! 11 Caravels and five Galleons provide artillery support.

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: Expands south down the coast and sets up another port settlement. Land is cleared around the new settlement, and a shipload of troops arrives to garrison the new colony and reinforce the garrisons of the old colonies. As I mentioned above, a college is founded in the largest town, Amazoniou Poli.

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• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Notia Katoikisi: Expands south and founds a new town. Also expands east farther into the desert, with workers digging wells and pumps powered by mules to fill the irrigation channels.
                                                                                                        • Thamnos Katoikisi: Receiving the most Imperial funding, the borders expand to cover all of the island. Forts and walls are constructed, the eventual goal being to turn the island into a giant fort.
                                                                                                        • I changed it to just "more walls and forts are constructed"
                                                                                                          • Dasikes Katoikisi: Fosters friendly relations with the natives (which haven't heard about our "involuntary servanthood" of their western brethren, as the desert is impassible by the native people. As the soil is more fertile, forcing the natives into "servanthood" is not necessary. The borders begin to expand inland and south.
                                                                                                          • Agones Katoikisi: Expands south to attempt to meet the expanding borders of Dasikes Katoikisi. "Involuntary Servanthood" is not necessary here either. Trade captains find that a strange, bent, flat piece of wood that is lavishly decorated, yet used as a hunting weapon by the native aborigines, is very popular as an exotic curio in the capital. It is named the boomerang.

The colony has been around for two years.

Post it, IN YOUR POST!!!

There...

Siam: Dei Viet is annexed and an invasion of the Majahapit is prepared for, as Siam craves all the islands of Indonesia. All ships have at least one cannon on them, ship production is increased, as Siam now has competition in the area. Byzantine straggler ships, tradeships, and just ships that are alone with Byzantine markings are destroyed, leaving little evidence, and faux messages are sent to Byzantium commenting on missing Siamese ships. The literacy rate increases to 47%, and colonists are sent to OTL Tofino. First Siamese explorers round Cape Horn.

New Malaysia Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

New Siam: Develop, increase in population and size.

Tnmi Hiy Colonies: 'Develop, increase in population and size.

Sumatra Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Borneo Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Paesifika (formerly Kala Pa Kos): Takes control of all Pacific colonies, a convoy system is developed. The colonies develop, increase in population, and in size

Guatemala Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Makassar Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of rifle. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in OTL Perth named New Dover and a settlement in OTL Derby named New Cornwall. 

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 'British Mexico:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.
                                                                                                        • 'British South America:'  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians and the Incas. A exploration party departs and discovers the Incas. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Gives France and Spain a plan of a joint-invasion of the Incas, before they have the same technology as the European powers.  Expands the colony.
                                                                                                        • 'New Derby: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 200 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance. Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.
                                                                                                        • 'New Cornwall': Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 200 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.
                                                                                                        • 'New Galloway: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 200 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

France: the military is expanded, the Occupation of Belgium continues and the colonies expand.

Ottomanistan D: We offer a trade deal.

The Scandinavian Union continues to expand its colonies by great amounts. The Scandinavian Union also accepts to buy Scotland's colonies.

1509

''Mod Event  :   'Aborigines, feeling threatened by colonists, begin killing colonists who wander too far indiscriminately, while other groups offer some diplomatic trade. The Maori destroy the Spanish Nueva Madrid colony. Despite religious persecution the Zoroastrian revival movemant goes on, and it begins to seep into Anatolia, Arabia and into Mongol lands.

Mod event, in the Central Siberian Regions the Mongol and Altaic tribes merged due to contact in the early 13th century arise as a small organized state, the Khanate of Siberia, in OTL Central-Western Siberia, beyond the Urals, and near the Russian Tsardom.

Siam: The naval invasion of the Majahapit begins, with 83,000 soldiers landing on Java, and the navy bombarding cities. Literacy rates increase to 52%, weapon manufacturers manage to meet Siamese demand. An invasion of Pegu is prepared for. Colonists are sent to OTL French Polynesia. Thalerthray is fair game, but expanding outward into the Pacific will result in war.

New Malaysia Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

New Siam: Develops, increases in population and size.

Tnmi Hiy Colonies: 'Develop, increase in population and size

Sumatra Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Borneo Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Paesifika: The colonies develop, increase in population and in size. Colonies in OTL French Polynesia are managed.

Guatemala Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Makassar Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.

Spain: The Spanish continue the Mayan invasion with a force of about 5000 (mods do an algorithm). Due to unrest in Cuba, a second genocide begins against the Carib. The armada continues to be built.

Florida: expands west. it will expand west until it has reached the gulf, and then begins to expand north.>

Carribea: The second genocide goes smoothly, but the Carib are harder to track down this time. Hispaniola is now at 55% of its original population.

Nicaragua: continues northwest expanision.

Venezuela: continues southwest expansion.

Rio de la Plata: Both settlements expand.

Nueva Madrid: expands around the coast of the island.

Byzantine Empire: Still waiting for the invasion of Cyprus to be resolved *hint hint*, the Byzantine armies sweep north and capture one of those little white nations above me (hopefully capture, algorithm please). Reports of missing merchant ships stream in, and now all Byzantine merchant ships are equipped with a fore and aft swivel gun, courtesy of the Imperial Armaments Factory, and are required to travel in groups with at least two warships in the convoy. South Island New Zealand is colonized (you said I couldn't colonize any more right before you posted, and you have a lot more colonies than I do) and the Eparchate is named Prasino Katoikisi. Here I'm going to assume that we captured Cyprus, because no one's done the algorithm yet. If it turns out I didn't, just delete my Eparchate of Cyprus post.

SS Mod: No.

SS Mod: Algorithm has been done.

Okay, then I change that (I think I can change it as the algorithm should've been done before) to remobilization. Troops are recalled from places all over the empire, although in small enough amounts from each town/city to Byzantium, to prepare for another invasion. As for the "Imperial Armaments Factory", I just wanted to make the point that they were provided them free of charge.

OK, I thought you were trying to say your nation had factories hundreds of years before the Industrial Revolution.

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: Expands slightly more into the jungle, begins industrializing (to 16th century standards, anyway), and more schools are created. 

Could I make my own nation page? Jontiben 21:16, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Notia Katoikisi: As the natives are attacking people, fewer go out alone and large parties can request a squad of soldiers to accompany them. Seeing Siam cement its holdings in the north, a land rush begins and massive amounts of territory are claimed in the name of the Emperor. Since more colonists are being attracted, the "Involuntary Servants" are no longer necessary, and they're all released. Efforts to pacify the angry natives begin.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Thamnos Katoikisi: The territory expands slightly, more forts are built, and the towns here begin to grow.
                                                                                      • Dasikes Katoikisi: Fosters friendly relations with the natives (which haven't heard about our "involuntary servanthood" of their western brethren, as the desert is impassible by the native people.) begins more trading with the natives, expands the borders of the settlement, and farms. Towns grow, the education system is improved, and the towns are industrialized too.
                                                                                      • Agones Katoikisi: The territory here expands rapidly east and slightly north. The towns grow, are industrialized, schools and buildings are constructed, and all the settlements are fortified. A fort in the northmost reaches of our territory is built, and, assissting the native aborigines in a famine using food from Dasikes Katoikisi, make good friends of the natives.
                                                                                      • Eparchate of Cyprus: Most efforts are focused toward rebuilding and trying to convince the populace not to revolt. In those cities that weren't damaged by the invasion, schools and stores are built.
                                                                                      • Prasino Katoikisi: Sheep are brought in to feed on the lush grass, farms are planted, and trade with the natives flourishes.

French-Austrian war outcome: annexation of Austria, Complete federalization of Germany, which will probably end earlier maybe at 1550

Siam-Majahapit war outcome:Status quo antebellum

Byzantine-Cyprus war Outcome: Status quo antebellum

Europe map change --

Vive le france!

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Scotland (I rejoin as it looks as if it is gaining more interesting.): A fleet of four ships are sent to colonize Western Australia, Northern Ireland has been annexed after the invasion (?) Colonies in North America expand Westward, with a settlement founded by Scots in the Great Lakes region. Farming expands vastly.

I'm going to do the algorithm but for me you pretty much ''''already own Ireland, and as an advice be more specific, which region of the Great Lakes, and another advice, make your empire in Argentine, is the only real free regions who no one really cares.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of microscope. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in OTL Buenos Aires named New Kesmick. 

'British Mexico:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

British Canada:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

'British South America:'  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians and the Incas. A exploration party departs and discovers the Incas. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Gives France and Spain a plan of a joint-invasion of the Incas, before they have the same technology as the European powers.  Expands the colony.

British Argentina:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

'New Derby: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance. Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

'New Cornwall': Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

'New Galloway: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

France: The colonies expand and the Amazon delta is fully under French control, the Expansion through le Terre Vertes continues, and the Colonial expansion in Uruguay continues. An envoy discovers the Magellan Strait and travels to Australia, claiming and founding a Colony in the northern island calling it l'nouvelle Paris. Military is built up as the navy.

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1510

Mod Event: Incas manage to produce their first batch of gunpowder, making them on par with Europeans. The Zoroastrian Revival continues on, despite governmental oppression, and Persia declares war on Qara Konyulu and Georgia. Aborigines and Maori advance in technology. Like I said before, this can't happen, the Zoroastrians would get killed. Fine.

Aztecs should be WAAY bigger, they had aqueducts up the Sierra Nevada and their capital was OTL Mexico City.

Byzantine Empire: The troops attack Cyprus. As so many men have been gathered from throughout the empire, 36,000 attack this time. 14 caravels and six galleons provide support. Mobilization begins to replace the lost troops and reinforce depleted garrisons throughout the empire.

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand, and troops are recruited.

Notia Katoikisi: Further pacification of the natives continues. The borders expand, and a new town is founded.

Thamnos Katoikisi: The territory expands greatly, and more towns are founded, fortified and industrialized. Troops are recruited as well.

Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, and more towns are founded, industrialized, and farms are sown.

Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand greatly, another fort is constructed, troops are recruited, and farms are planted.

You know what year this is, right?

Industrialized in a 16th century way.

Like construction of cannon foundries, multi-person blacksmiths, etc. So, can I make my country page? Jontiben 16:20, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Not yet,, I'm going to set something up. Also, stop adding maps, only mods make maps, and Sine usually makes the final draft.

I asked earlier on and you said to edit in your country's expansions, so I did.

Note: The map is missing New Madrid (on OTL North Island New Zealand).

The Maori destroyed it in a Mod Event.

Spain: After a few visits to the Incan empire, the Spanish realize that there is no possible way that they can defeat them in a military conflict. The Incans are not as heathenous as the other natives, so Spain attempts to set up formal diplomatic relations with them. Catholic missionaries begin to be sent there with the blessing of the Spanish government. The armada continues construction. THE MAYAN WAR CONTINUES BEING FOUGHT. The Spanish, lacking a Pacific fleet, reinstate privateer licenses, and ask them to go after the native Maori. Privateers are paid by how many people they kill, convert or enslave.Colonies: All colonies expand. Hispaniola is now at 65% of original population.  '

Scotland: 'Industries expand, gunpowder is now mass produced. Explorers en route to Australia land on the Horn Of Africa, claiming a small colony and territory there. A colony south of the Amazon River delta is founded.' Nova Scotia: Farming expands. Creates more friendly relations with the Inuit, give them technology and such. Territory expands several dozen km (1000 meters) westward. SS Mod: 'The Scandinavian Union continues to expand its colonies by great amounts.  France: Colonies expand military is build up as so does the navy.

Siam: Colonists are sent to OTL Cape Horn, OTL Thursday Islands,and OTL Groote Eylandt. After the military defeat against hte Majahapit, the nation's pride is hurt, and second larger invasion is planned in the next year, after the military gets a much-needed rest. Literacy rates hit 56%, and the fine Japanese katanas begin being imported, as they are much finer than any Western blades. An ultimatum is sent to the English, that if they do not move their northern colony, Siam will remove it for them.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • SS Mod: You can try, but the Maori are tough and won't get killed easily by anyone.

                                                                                            1. IT IS 1510
                                                                                            2. 'IT IS NAMED THALE'RTHRAY
                                                                                            3. France GOT THE THE AMAZON RIVER DELTA FIRST
                                                                                            4. YOU ARE BANNED NEXT TURN, FOR ONE TURN

                                                                                          • ​I meant in a 1500's way, gunpowder and such, and I doubt I would care whatever it is called. I said south of the river. Calm down.

                                                                                          • Still banned

                                                                                            • New Malaysia Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • New Siam: Develops, increases in population and size.
                                                                                            • Tnmi Hiy Colonies: 'Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • Sumatra Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • Borneo Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • Paesifika: The colonies develop, increase in population and in size.
                                                                                            • Guatemala Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • Makassar Colonies: Develop, increase in population and size.
                                                                                            • Hxrn Khep (Cape Horn): Develop, increase in population and size. Expeditions are sent to map the Atlantic-Amazonian coast.

1511

Mod Event: Time of Troubles hits one lucky nation (RNG) which is France! Maori raid and destroy the French colony, adamant about not becoming colonized, and a northern Maori Chieftain offers to aid Spain in its colonialism if the Chieftain becomes governor. Netherlands and Belgium revolt under the Dutch banner. A large Amazonian tribe that goes rogue damages French OTL Rio de Janeiro and destroys all colonies south of it before being destroyed by other Amazonians. Inuit continue their research into gunpowder.

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I feel eager to say, Rio de Janeiro would be hardly destroyable. The Uruguayan colonies yet can be destroyed, so Rio, no, the rest yes, though if you allow me to tell you, there shouldn't be time of troubles for any nation, and the Maori wouldn't help anyone. It would be stupid to aid someone who is going to kill you later.Sine dei gloriem (talk) 13:27, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

The Amazonians have almost completely modern weapons, just lacking guns, which the Incas have so it wouldn't be impossible to get their hands on them, not to mention they know the jungles far better than the Europeans, but since it is one of your first colonies, your criticism has some merit. Though the Maori, that is completely plausible. OTL many native tribes aided the Spanish in their conquests.

Fair enough, next time we should better do action and reaction mod events, and or real events. It's better to keep the game alive. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 13:34, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Spain: Spain attempts to ally with the Aztec Empire, so they can destroy the Mayans together (because Spain is getting nowhere alone). They continue to send missionaries to the Incas, and begin sending them to the Aztecs as well. Spain accepts the Maori offer, and Nueva Andalucia is established in the Chieftain's homeland (which I do not know the location of). The Maori are tough, so enlisting the help of other natives is common and much easier. Because of this, Northern Maori convert more easily than others, but southern Maori are stubborn. The Armada is finished.  All Colonies expand. Hispaniola is now at 75% of its original population.

The Maori chief is the southern part of the Northern Island.

Siam: Ronin mercenaries are hired from Japan, and the Second Invasion of Majahapit begins. Soldiers numbering 90,000 and the fleet granting naval support, and larger attack with rested soldiers is expected to be more successful (algorithm).  Colonists are sent to OTL Samoa and are put under Paesifika management. Seeing the Maori's warlike manner, Siam finds them easy to sell weapons to. Buddhist missionaries arrive and a small colony is built in OTL Christchurch called Buddhatemple. All colonies expand.

France: The Revolts in the north shock the many. Due to this, the troops are forced to Belgium and the Netherlands as the revolting regions are to be forced to return to the Empire. In Austria, the Governor swears Loyalty to France and the King. The colonies expand and the navy drops some troops at the Maori in The northern island, to offer peace, or to exterminate them if needed. Navy and Military are Built up. Maori (RNG) D: No response.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • France: You've already chosen your path. Quoting the Great Caesar "Alea Iacta est."

Ming China has joined the game! The young Emperor Zhengde remains suspicious of the Portuguese and other Western powers, and wishes to form an alliance with the mighty empire of Siam. The Chinese make military preparations to invade Korea.

Siam D: Accepted, we will help you in conquering Joseon (Korea) if you aid us in the near future in conquering Champa (that awkward white blob on Indochina on the coast).

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of microscope. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in OTL Buenos Aires named New Kesmick. 

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British Mexico:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

British Canada:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

'British South America:'  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians and the Incas. A exploration party departs and discovers the Incas. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Gives France and Spain a plan of a joint-invasion of the Incas, before they have the same technology as the European powers.  Expands the colony.

British Argentina:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

'New Derby: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance. Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

'New Cornwall': Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

'New Galloway: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.

1512

Mod Event: Inuits near a breakthrough in gunpowder. Seminoles dissolve for the most part, either as Spanish colonists in colonies, or roaming in Spanish land as vassals, behind the walls of Ottomanistan, or as small tribes between French Louisiana and Spanish Florida. Sun Tzu's Art of War is found in Chinese ruins.

Fill out national information Byzantine Empire: The troops attack Cyprus, as they were supposed to have done in 1510, but for some mysterious reason the algorithm wasn't calculated. As so many men have been gathered from throughout the empire, 36,000 attack this time. 14 caravels and sex galleons provide support. Mobilization begins to replace the lost troops and reinforce depleted garrisons throughout the empire. Merchants are specifically sent east to attempt to buy a book they've heard rumors of, "The Art of War". There is no way the Byzantium could know of "The Art of War" this quickly. Galleons haven't been made yet, and I'm doubtful a "sex galleon" would be approved by religious people anywhere. [My bad, that was SIX galleons.] EoGuy (talk) 00:42, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand and troops are recruited.

Notia Katoikisi: Further pacification of the natives continues. The borders expand, and a new town is founded.

Thamnos Katoikisi: The territory expands greatly, and more towns are founded, fortified and industrialized. Troops are recruited as well.

Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, and more towns are founded, industrialized and farms are sown. Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand greatly, another fort is constructed, troops are recruited and farms are planted.

Ming China: Thrilled at the discovery of "The Art of War," scholars present the book to the Emperor, which he orders reprinted for all his generals to read. China agrees to help Siam in any military requests, provided mutual protection between the two empires.

Siam D: Mind sending some soldiers to help with the Majahapit?

Siam: The Second Invasion of Majahapit continues (algorithm)! More ferry services and roads are improved upon, aiding the country in its infrastructure. Selling of weapons to the Maori, specifically guns and katanas make the Maori more passive towards the Siamese. A group of scholars is sent to China to get their hands on a copy of "The Art of War" and bring it to Siam. An envoy from Buddhatemple reaches the French and Spanish colony and greets them. Katana production begins on Siamese soil, and Ronin are used to train more advanced military units. All colonies expand.

France: The contact with the Siamese shows surprise yet it's seen as a great breakthrough and offers of trading are opened, but due to being of other religions many French disagree on an alliance as of now. While this, the army continues sweeping the Netherlands and the New Zealand colony has orders to kill any Maori representing a threat. The military and navy are built up and colonies expand

'Spain D: Any attack on the Maori that are under Spanish protection will be considered an attack on the Spanish empire. All other Maori are free for you to do with as you wish. 

' British South America:  Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Amazonians and the Incas. An exploration party departs and discovers the Incas. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Gives France and Spain a plan of a joint-invasion of the Incas, before they have the same technology as the European powers.  Expands the colony.

England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of microscope. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in New Jersey. Builds a settlement in OTL Detroit. Asks for an alliance between China, Siam and England.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 'British Mexico:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

                                                                                  British Canada:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

British Argentina:  Increases the technology in the settlements. Starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony. '

New Derby: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance. Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony. '

New Cornwall': Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony. '

New Galloway: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.  

One Siam only reached Spain and France colonies in Panama probably. You don't own anything south to Mexico and your colony is in the place of a previous Spanish settlement, and you can't contact the Incas. You would have to go south to the Magellanic Straits to do it. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 05:31, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I contacted Siam with my Thalertray colonies.Alexlee8991 (talk) 05:34, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Scandinavian Union continues to expand its colonies by great amounts. 

Spain: Colonies keep on expanding. Maori keep on assimilating. World keeps on turning.

1513

Mod Event:  Inuit discover gunpowder and begin to crank out their first batch of guns. 'The Maori tribe allied with Spain manages to intercept a Maori raiding party aimed at the Spanish colony. 'Huron and Inuit form an alliance.Fill out national information

Byzantine Empire: The education system continues to expand. The port is added onto, and port fees are slightly increased. Troops are recruited, and the navy is greatly improved. By now, 50,000 troops have been massed from throughout the empire (this amount is possible. During the emperor Zeno's reign, a force of 100,000 was sent to subjugate the Vandal kingdom based in Carthage. Unfortunately it failed miserably due to pathetic generalship.)

Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand greatly, another fort is constructed, troops are recruited and farms are planted

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand and troops are recruited.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Notia Katoikisi: Further pacification of the natives continues. The borders expand, and a new town is founded.
                                                                                  • Thamnos Katoikisi: The territory expands greatly, and more towns are founded, fortified and industrialized. Troops are recruited as well.
                                                                                    • • • • • • • Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, and more towns are founded, industrialized and farms are sown.

France: The colonies expand and the military is built up. The war in the Netherlands continues as the forces continue striking the revolting armies in the regions. The navy is built up. While this, Holland is finally taken and so is Luxembourg (?). In one hit Belgium falls at Burgundian hands - taking Bruges. While this, the French army invades the Inca empire launching a new campaign starting from Panama to reach the Golden City in the core of the Empire

Spain: Spain officially ends the war with the Maya, and signs a peace treaty with them establishing status quo ante bellum, considering that the war was getting nowhere. Relations with the Maya are terrible, so soldiers are kept in the colonies in case of raids. Missionaries continue their work, and now operate in all areas where the Spanish have a presence. For now, conversion of the native people runs smoothly. Some missionaries operating in the Incan empire begin Secretly running weapons and supplies to the natives on behalf of the Spanish government. The leaders of the Maori tribesmen are officially given titles as nobles in the Spanish empire for their valliant efforts. All colonies expand. 

Siam: Literacy rates increase to 56%. Missionaries in Buddhatemple have managed to convert most natives in the northern Southern island to Buddhism, and missionaries are sent to the Aztecs. The Second Siamese Invasion of Majahapit continues (I just used the algorithm from last time without the "side with greater population" for Majahapit and "tired military" for Siam) and manage to take much of the coast. A trade deal is sent to France that they sell Siam Incan relics, as it is the only thing the West has to offer Asia, and at the same time begins selling Incans boats and katanas without France knowing. All colonies expand.

I know that there's a page where we can put down the basics for our nations, but can I still do a nation page? Jontiben 23:38, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think our map game is popular enough for anyone to care about that.

I'd be doing it just for fun. It's not like it's going to harm anything. Oh, and I added something to my country post that you might want to take a look at.

Fine, make a nation page.

 

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • England: Asks the Scandinavian Union for an alliance again and invades Ireland, taking all Southern Ireland. Manchester, Canterbury and York are modernized. The economy has an increase and the military is expanded. The navy is more expanded and the scientists develop a primitive form of microscope. Ships, loaded with thousands of settlers, settled in most areas of unsettled Maine and  Richmond. Continues modernization and the major settling movement ends in a settlement in New Jersey. Builds a settlement in OTL Detroit. Asks for an alliance betweenChina, Siam and England.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 'British Mexico:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony.

                                                                                  British Canada:' Increases the technology in the settlements, starts trading with the Indians. The first university is opened in OTL Boston. The settlement expanded to New Foundland and Labrador and expands inland to almost the whole Eastern Quebec, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Connecticut. Starts mass-scale farming of maize, wheat and potatoes. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army.

                                                                  • British Argentina:  Increases the technology in the settlements. Starts trading with the Aztecs. Builds the first colonial army made up of settlers and colonials named the British Colonial Army. Expands the colony. '
                                                                  • New Derby: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance. Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony. '
                                                                  • New Cornwall': Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony. '
                                                                  • New Galloway: 'Increases the technology in the settlements and an irrigation and water collection system is set up, allowing farming in the hot climate. Trying to make the natives slaves or "voluntary assistance", 300 natives are now in the "voluntary assistance". Starts small skirmishes against the aborigines. Expands the colony.  
                                                                  • If you copy/paste your previous post one more time I'm banning you!

1514

Mod Event: Cultures develop, in Northern Amazonia, a Scandinavia/Amazonian/African (slaves)/Spanish/French/Turkish culture develops, in Middle and Southern Meztico a Mayan/Siamese/French/Spanish culture develops, and in OTL New Zealand (voting on the name starts next turn), a Siamese/French/Spanish/Maori culture develops. Maori with fine iron weapons, armor and guns become more common due to Siamese traders. Civil war Breaks out in the Sultanate of Rum as the Sultan dies and his son Abas Abdul Hakim and his brother Hassan Jamal Jalil fight for the throne. Abdul asks the Byzantines to back him in his campaign to the throne offering them an alliance, while Hassan allies with the Sultan of Mecca.

Japan reunites under the Congress of Kyoto as a federal order of several smaller kingdoms to protect from a plausible Chinese onslaught in the future.

A Persian expedition led by an Ottoman Sailor lands in OTL Mozambique claiming a small patch of land as the Kingdom of Al-Jawjhar.

Byzantine Empire: 60,000 troops have been raised now. As many cities have also been working on their navies, a force of 30 (not that large of a number, the past naval support numbers were pathetically small) caravels has been raised. With this army, Cyprus is attacked once again (algorithm, please).

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand, towns are created, and farms are sown. A largish wooden fort slightly inland on a tributary of the Amazonian river (modern day Chaves), and buildings are constructed. As the Cyprus army has been raised, the colony no longer has to deplete its population for the military, so just a few troops are trained to garrison the new towns.

Notia Katoikisi: Appeasement of the Aborigine natives continues. The borders expand, two forts are constructed, farms are sown, and structures built. Thamnos Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

Spain: Funding of missionaries continues. Secret gun running continues. Colonial expansion continues. The new armada, fully manned, sets sail for the New World with 130 vessels. Missionaries in the Aztec Empire have begun to act hostile towards the Siamese Missionaries. A new colony is founded, Tierra Maori in New Zealand and Maori, friendly to the Spaniards are tasked with keeping them safe. 

Physically violent? No, just intimidating them. Wegscuba (talk) 22:06, February 21, 2013 (UTC) 'Jesuits v. Buddhist Monks... 'Good luck with that. Siam: Colonists are sent to OTL Greymouth and OTL Ecuador. Missionaries increase in funding and arrive in Java. Most missionaries are not intimidated by the Spanish, as Buddhist Monks are. Well, Buddhist Monks (shouldn't have to explain that), save for younger missionaries. The English colony is raided and taken over, as an ultimatum was issued and gained no response. An offer is sent to Champa that they submit or die (RNG), demanding that their king bend knee, but little more, as Siam has much to show of their might. Most Pacific islands are colonized or at least under control of Paesifika. All colonies expand. Champa (RNG) D: We accept your offer if great autonomy is granted. France: The colonies expand and the military is built up. The crushing of the Netherlands continues with troops invading it.

1515

'''Mod Event: THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION, MOTHER FUDGERS! 'Arylanlaristan and Ottomanistan colonize several small Caribbean islands. Voting on what to name New Zealand will take place on the talk page. Many Aztecs on the east coast become Buddhist, while many on the west coast become Catholic. People in Meztico and Northern Amazonia begin to develop their own accents.

The Emirate of Al jawjar(not a Persian colony completelly) expands into Swahili land after many Swahili Islamics join the kingdom

The Inca's finally collapse at hands of the French after the Emperor is taken (France is now by definition an empire).

Poland and Lithuania region form into the Commonwealth

The Sultan Abas continues asking for Byzantine aid against his brother and the Sultanate of Mecca.

Byzantine Diplomacy: 1: Did I manage to get Cyprus (I can't tell exactly with the resolution on the map). 2: I'll accept, but only if I get Acre and Tyre if we win, and only if I did manage to take Cyprus.

Byzantine Empire: 60,000 troops have been raised now. As many cities have also been working on their navies, a force of 30 (not that large of a number, the past naval support numbers were pathetically small) caravels has been raised. With this army, Cyprus is attacked once again (algorithm, please).

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand, towns are created, and farms are sown.</

''''Notia Katoikisi:' Appeasement of the Aborigine natives continues. The borders expand, two forts are constructed, farms are sown, and structures built.

''''Thamnos Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

''''Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

''''Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Spanish Diplomacy: We would also like to aid the Byzantines in the conquest, but Jerusalem (or at least parts  of it) must be taken by Spain or Byzantium. 

Spain: The church takes an early stance against the Protestant reformation. The Inquisition immediately arrests any of the early leaders. A new colony, Incaña, is founded on the Southern Pacific Coast of the former Incan empire in an area that had a strong Christian presence after missionaries had visited the area (not necessarily a majority, but strong). Maori converts to Christianity are officially regarded as full citizens of the Spanish empire. Non-Christians are not, and continue to be persecuted. Meanwhile, the Armada docks in Saint Augustine.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Spanish Colonies: all expand.
                            • Ottomanistan D: We ask you to move your fleet, as we only contribute to the region, and offer a large sum of money (as Sufis care little for money) that instead of Spain threatening us, we form an alliance, or at least a non-aggression pact.
                            • Spanish Diplomacy: the Spanish agree to a non-aggression pact with Ottomanistan, and take the money. the fleet will be moved next turn. 
                            • Mod: A Second Spanish Inquisition? That was unexpected!
                            • Byzantine Diplomacy: Jerusalem is the third holiest place in the Muslim world. I propose we divide the city in half, half ruled jointly by France, Spain and Byzantium, and the other half ruled by the Ottomans. The Dome of the Rock could be jointly ruled, as the site on which it stands is holy to both religions.
                            • Spain: we agree. 

Siam: Colonists are sent to the OTL Falklands, OTL Portland and Western Papua. With the Incan Empire collapsed into many (currently) nameless nations, annexed, and the Mayans invaded, Siam begins a plan to conquer one of the smaller ones the Aztecs, and begins ferrying troops to Kala Pa Kos Kawatimala (Guatemala). Galapagos Tortoises become a more common household pet. A trade offer is sent to France to buy Incan relics, as it is the only thing that the West has to offer East Asia. Explorers reach the Caribbean, and begin mapping. Literacy rates are now at 60%, and the nation goes crazy for chocolate and coffee.

All colonies expand. sorry to tell you but this empire is way too implausible to collapse, they are way too similar between themselves. The division is implausible is like trying to break America, so The incas will be French. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 00:49, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Then why didn't all of the Ottomans become the Sultnate of Rum? It's not implausible. Hell, when the Spanish found them they were in civil war! But France will get more land, since they did declare conquest, but you did say that their government collapses. Also, America could be broken not too difficultly. This is coming from an American. Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:04, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

There's one difference with the Otts. They were a bunch of culturally completely different nations, on one side, the Greeks, on the other the Bulgars, and the Serbs while in the East Islamic Mamluks and Arabians, and why do you think I made the Sultanate of Rum have all of Turkey. Because that's where the Turks settled, and Mecca only remained with Palestine due to Mecca needing to be under someone's rule, while the Incas are a bunch of similar cultures under one rule, and there's the precedent of Spain taking them and American can't be broken, the nation yes, but the culture, no. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:07, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

America as a nation can be broken, and the culture already is for the most part. I'll change the map and make them less divided Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:09, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

My point is that they can't divide, they've been merged for so much time that they are all the same. Dividing them will not change anything and by now the war is over. They are all now part of the French Colonial Empire Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:12, February 23, 2013 (UTC) '

You make strong case and I concede, but I will point out 'that the (former) Incan Empire isn't going to be connected to the Northern Amazonia French colony due to a Siamese colony, and I'm right about America Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:14, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

When did you make that colony, because I've counted the last few mentions of colonies and I haven't found yours, and per se, that colony expansion has been present there for quite a while so I don't know if there's any space for you there. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 01:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's already on the map, and has been there for a little while, Siam said they sent a colony to Ecuador. Daxus Inferno (talk) 01:20, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

'France: The colonies expand, the military and navy are built up and war with the Incas completely ends with the fall of Cuzco under French power. Now the Kingdom begins seeking for further control in Europe seeing Eastwards towards the Holy Roman Empire, But first, it offers aid to the Byzantines and the Rum Sultanate in their war against Mecca. A colony is made in Melbourne.

Byzantine Diplomacy: 1: I attacked Cyprus with 60,000 men and 30 caravels, do the algorithm. 2: I'll attack the other Ottomans, but only if I get Acre and Tyre if we win. 3: Why is my colony in South America so small? Look at the French, or the Siamese, or the English? You say I'm not a great colonial power, but neither was Siam, and they're gaining land MUCH faster than I am. Please expand my colonial holdings. ' Mod: Those colonies have been around for longer, and your colonies are growing at the same rate. Remember, the Scandinavian colony in OTL Maracaibo was one of their first colonies, and look at the British one in Thalenthray, and the French one is just along the coast.

Also, the algorithm was done, and 30 caravels is far more than the Byzantine Empire could muster at this time, I don't think you know how many 30 ships are, but you still have more than Cyprus could muster so you get the bonus.

What percentage of my men did I lose? I want to know if I have enough troops left to successfully assist the Ottoman Sultanate of Rum. Also, if the war lasts 2.5 years, then do I conquer the island in two or three years? I'd assume it's three. Also, I really think Thamnos Katoikisi and Notia Katoikisi should have more land. Notia Katoikisi was my second colony and Thamnos Katoikisi was my third. It should nearly cover all of Thamnos (what I named OTL Tasmania since no one else seems interested in naming it). Note: I shrank the map to a 650-sized thumbnail, I couldn't see most of OTL Australia. And another thing, do the Ottomans accept my help on my conditions or not? I'm adding to the conditions what I just said in my diplomacy channel to Spain.

Mod: 'The war will last two years, and I expanded your Amazonia colony, and no, your Thalenthray colonies shouldn't have more land, and Thamos takes up about one-third of OTL Tasmania, be chill and wait. Also, the percentage you lose isn't really ever explained in algorithms. Just be logical, though you did seize Cyprus with a large gap between the two nations' scorings. Just assume you lost some thousand, which the population of Cyprus can't immediately replenish. If I were you and I would aid the Sultanate in two turns. I would say say 50,000-55,000 soldiers.

Thanks. I just get a bit jealous when I look at France. As for my troops, I'll say I have roughly 52,000 left. As I amor ships, I'll say that I had 18, and the Venetians (who were their allies) are good sailors, so I lost five. 13 ships and 52,000 troops left, plus I'll leave about 1,000 behind to garrison, so 51,000 troops.

Mod: 1575, a New Chance to be a colonial power (read the rules)

I know. My goal is to post as soon as 1575 starts, and grab the OTL Cape of Good Hope before anyone else. A question about the rules: Can you attack African nations (such as the Moors) before 1575?

Go ahead, but don't go south of the Sahara, and remember that the Moors are basically just desert, with some desert, some sand, more desert, more sand, and a coast (did I mention desert and sand?)

A sudden "sandcastle craze" sparks in the capital, and spreads to the surrounding cities. The emeror's magistrates inform him that they must own more sand before the people will be satisfied...

Post in your posts, bro.

1516

'Mod Event: Huron hires an Inuit scientist to aid the development of gunpowder and the two tribal federations form an alliance. People along the Eastern Seaboard in Terra Liberarum develop a English/Huron/Scottish/Scandinavian/French/Portuguese culture. Maori, with weapons funneled from Siam, become more hostile and more powerful and begin skirmishes with colonists and ambush small groups of people outside of towns, as well as soldiers on patrol. New Zealand will now be refered to as Islum Orient (East Islands). The Ottomans accept Byzantium's terms. Arylanlaristan for the most part has wiped out the Caribs, most surviving Caribs flee to the Mayan city-states (Mayans receive an ally bonus to wars). Protestantism become rampant in England.

Siam: Contact with the Inuit Federation is made by explorers, colonists are sent to OTL Bahia Blanca and New Caledonia. Literacy rates increase and navy and military are expanded. 65,000 soldiers are stationed in or around the Kawatimala colony with 35 turtle boats preparing for an invasion of the Aztecs. Infastrucure is improved and increased due to the expansionism all across Siam. An offer is sent to Spain that if they aid in the conquest of the Aztecs, Siam will allow for all current Catholics in the empire to have equal rights, Siam will aid in any future conquest of the Mayans, and Siam will sell weaponry only to the Maori tribes allied to Spain. All colonies expand and improve infrastructure.

Arylanlaristan (Mod): Offers to aid Spain in conquest of the Mayans in return for their southern coast, as well as to kill Caribs.

Spain: The Armada is moved...and used to attack Arylanlaristan. All colonies expand. (Incaña is not on the map).

Siam: So, about that deal...

'Incaña will be added in 1520, we update the map every five turns. Algorithm has been done.

Scotland: Offers alliances to the Huron and Inuit. Continues to expand colonies North and West.

Inuit/Huron Diplomacy: We accept.'''

What colonies? You rejoined. A mod-event caused Scotland to sell all their colonies to Scandinavia since you quit.

Where does it say that?

I think it was the turn before you rejoined.

FUUUU. I quit. Too damn implausable and mod-based. This game should be player controlled. Not Mod Controlled. 

You had quit and Scandinavia had almost no colonies.

France: The colonies expand. The military is built up, and navy increased,

Byzantine Empire: If you count last year, then Cyprus is taken. The troops are readied for an attack on the Levant.

Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand, towns are created, and farms are sown

Notia Katoikisi:' Appeasement of the Aborigine natives continues. The borders expand, two forts are constructed, farms are sown, and structures built.

Thamnos Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown.

Dasikes Katoikisi: ''The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown

1517

Mod Event: Mayans form a coalition in case of European invaders, and build up their militaries. Protestantism burns through Germany and Eastern France. Arylanlaristan developes a warrior tradition (+5 in algorithms).

Byzantine Empire: Troops land just north of Antioch and lay siege to the city (I need an algorithm for attacking the Ottoman caliphate of Mecca). The troops total 53,000, the 50,000 left over from the capture of Cyprus, plus 3,000 Varangian Guards and Landsknecht mercenaries recruited late last year. There are also 15 caravels assisting the troops. In the homeland, the emperor makes a special point of constructing churches and improving existing ones, though protestantism will probably never gain much of a hold in the Empire.

Ottomans aren't a Caliphate, it's implausible, Ottomans don't own Mecca, and Mecca is not a Caliphate.

Sorry. You know what I mean.

' Algorithm is done' Katoikis tou Amazoniou:' The borders expand, forts are constructed, troops are constructed, and trade with the natives begins in earnest.

Siam: Over 60,000 soldiers stand at the ready to invade the Aztecs. The same offer from the previous turn is sent to Spain again.  'All colonies expand.

• • • • • • • • • • • • • Notia Katoikisi: The colonists give gifts to the natives, begin trade with them, and expand the borders.
                        • Thamnos Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and walls are constructed, and towns are founded.
                        • Agones Katoikisi: Borders expand, troops are recruited and farms are sown.
                        • Dasikes Katoikisi: Borders expand, troops are recruited, towns are founded, structures are built, and farms are sown.

France: The colonies expand. The navy and the military is built up. The organization of French Amazonia begins.

As a mod I propose that in the nation info page to add a hires map with the colonies name.

It shall be done.

1518

Mod Event: The Game becomes defunct (for the most part) and Land of Opportunity 2 will be started within the next three days, starting where this one left off (I hope that works).

Oh well. At least the Byzantines still get to conquer the Caliphate of Mecca, just at a later date. I hope the next one succeeds.

Not a caliphate.

Did Spain get Aryanlaristan? Wegscuba (talk) 21:34, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

LOOK AT THE TALK PAGE FOR THE ALGORITHMS.

There is no algorithm for that. Wegscuba (talk) 23:09, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

It is there, I did it, and I just looked at it. Look again. Daxus Inferno (talk) 23:14, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I saw it. I thought it would be at the bottom. Wegscuba (talk) 23:23, February 25, 2013 (UTC

I just realized that this '''is a new year, so I should post my nation's actions?jontiben

Byzantine Empire: To reinforce the troops in the Levant, 2,500 recruited troops are sent from Constantinople, 1,500 from Thesaloniki, 500 from Athenoi, 230 from Rhodes, and 350 from Cyprus, for a total of 5,080. Counting the losses last time, 42,920. If you include the levies drawn from the colonies, the total is 45,200.

The Patriarch of Constantinople preaches a crusade against the Ottoman Sultanate of Mecca, and any true Eastern-Orthodox nation should answer the call.

'Katoikis tou Amazoniou: The borders expand, towns are created, and farms are sown. '100 troops are sent to aid the force against the Ottomans.

Notia Katoikisi: Appeasement of the Aborigine natives continues. The borders expand, two forts are constructed, farms are sown, and structures built. This colony never had much of a population to begin with, and the military recruitment has sapped its population. It will take it several years to recover, and it cannot provide any forces for the force invading the Ottomans.

Thamnos Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown. 100 troops are sent to aid the force against the Ottomans.

Agones Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown. This colony never had much of a population to begin with, and the military recruitment has sapped its population. It will take it several years to recover, and it cannot provide any forces for the force invading the Ottomans.

Dasikes Katoikisi: The borders expand, forts and towns are built and farms are sown. This colony never had much of a population to begin with, and the military recruitment has sapped its population. It will take it several years to recover, and it cannot provide any forces for the force invading the Ottomans.

Exarchate of Cyprus: As stated above, 350 troops have been sent to the Byzantine army. Most of the inhabitants don't mind the change of rulers, but a vast propaganda program begins to insure that the transition into a more Greco-centric culture. Thousands of silver pieces pour in to aid the inhabitants in reconstructing.

Byzantine Diplomacy: France and Spain; you said you'd assist me, but you didn't. If we are to retake the holy land, then I need your help.