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 Imperial Diet of 1413-1415

The Imperial Diet of 1413-1415, called by Emperor Wenceslaus IV in the year 1412 in the city of Prague.

Topics of Importance

Emperor's Concerns:

The Italian Question

Northern HRE Unity

The Reichsreform, Imperial Diets & Centralization

Trade Reform

Princely Concerns:

Any prince is allowed to put concerns here, as long as he puts their nation's name next to the concern.

Recognition of Archduchy of Pomerania authority and vassalage over the Duchy of Mecklenburg as part of the Archduchy of Pomerania. ~Archduchy of Pomerania Palaiologos-Dynasty-Eagle Ungern von Sternberg A man's GREATEST joy is crushing his enemies Flag of the Northern Yuan

The Archduchy of Pomerania requests membership in the Electoral College. ~Archduchy of Pomerania Palaiologos-Dynasty-Eagle Ungern von Sternberg A man's GREATEST joy is crushing his enemies Flag of the Northern Yuan

The Archduchy of Austria Requests Membership in the Electoral College. -Lx (leave me a message)Azarath Flag

The Archduchy of Austria requests the Secularization of Aquileia-Lx (leave me a message)Azarath Flag

Essen (also on Cologne's behalf, because Archbishop Friedrich III is in a state of very poor health) enquires as to whether any of its fellow Catholic countries would be willing to host a small envoy of canonesses from Essen, in order to facilitate reform of the Catholic Church. Over the past thirteen years, and as a result of very significant discussion in commissions, Cologne and Essen have reformed the Church to care more visibly for the less advantaged and to enforce stricter discipline on priests and canons. This has made the administration of both countries far more popular amongst their people, because those religious are not seen to be corrupt, but instead living a devout life dedicated to the people of God.  -NonsensicalJourney

Voting & Discussion

This diet is officially called into order.

NOTICE!: DIET ENDS AT UTC 11:59 PM, AUGUST 1, 2016

The Italian Question

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Bohemia: The situation in northern Italy is extremely worrying. The princes of the region have been warring with each other recently, and the question of Italy remaining within the Holy Roman Empire has been brought up. Suggestions from the princes will be taken for ideas regarding this.
  • Albert V & II of Austria and Bavaria: I fear that Gian Visconti, the Duke of Milan, Fancies himself King of Italy, which would be an affront to imperial Authority.
  • Bohemia: Milan, your chance to reply.
  • Bohemia: As Milan has not replied, a request for the return of unlawful territory will be sent to Milan.
  • Genoa: We propose that Milan be recognized as an Archduchy and that it will help assume the roll of bringing Italy back into the HRE.
  • Milan: We remind our fellow princes that Gian Galeazzo Visconti, the conqueror of northern Italy, died in 1412. Our current prince, Gian Maria, has little to no interest in further expansion and would like to focus on consolidating Italy under the Holy Roman Emperor's rule. To this end, we propose integrating our Venetian territories into the Holy Roman Empire.
  • Austria: Your statements regarding Aquileia show otherwise. How can one want cease expansion, and at the same time annex Friuli?
  • Milan: We believe that the annexation of Friuli is not the best of options, but preferable to the well-being of Northern, Holy Roman, Italy, than its annexation by Austria. Duke Gian Maria would be willing to expand once further to promote peaceful development in the region, however it would again be un=ideal. Gian Maria is further dedicated to remaining a central member of the Holy Roman Empire.
Voting

Please put your country and ruler name below the option you vote for.

  • Votes For Demanding Of Unlawful Territory
  • Votes For Promoting Milan
    • ~ SIGN HERE ~
    • Burgundian territories - John I, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, and Limburg, Count Palatine of Burgundy, Count of Artois, Flanders, Rethel, and Nevers, Defender of the Faith I am that guy (talk)
    • Bohemia - Wenceslaus IV, Defender of the Faith, King of Bohemia, Holy Roman Emperor

SOLVED ISSUE REISSUED

Northern HRE Unity

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Bohemia: The Northern HRE has been under siege by the Kalmar Union as of late, and fighting among princes is rampant.
  • Pomerania: Pomerania requests its fellow HRE states any help they can give against the crazed Northman.
  • Bohemia: Proposes that the northern HRE states return their unlawful territories (not given by the Emperor, so excluding most of Pomerania) and suggests that the HRE goes to war with the Kalmar Union to take back the territories of the HRE.
Voting

Please put your country and ruler name below the option you vote for.

The Reichsreform, Imperial Diets, & Centralization

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Bohemia: To better protect the Empire and its members, I am calling the Reichsreform. Imperial Diets will now be done every fifty years (the next will be 1450, then 1500, and so on ...) to address the problems of the Empire. Emergency diets may be called, but the scheduled diets will continue.

As the Emperor can pass this reform without consent of the diet, the reform is PASSED

Trade Reform

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Bohemia: We need to reform trade to better protect the Empire's trade in Europe.
  • Essen: Both Cologne and Essen are happy to take part in this reform.
  • Pomerania: We express our support for the trade reform. We oppose any attempt of further centralization by the HRE Emperor.
  • Burgundy: Burgundy's Imperial territories are eager to approve reform, and offer to lend the help of Burgundys growing navy to safeguard the seagoing merchantmen of any state willing to pay.
Voting

Please put your country and ruler name below the option you vote for.

  • Votes For Reform
    • ~ SIGN HERE ~
    • Burgundian territories - John I, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, and Limburg, Count Palatine of Burgundy, Count of Artois, Flanders, Rethel, and Nevers, Defender of the Faith I am that guy (talk)
    • Bohemia - Wenceslaus IV, Defender of the Faith, King of Bohemia, Holy Roman Emperor
  • Votes Against Reform
Vassalage of Mecklenburg by Pomerania

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Pomerania: Pomerania Requests the Submission of Mecklenburg as a Fief of Pomerania.
  • Bohemia: The Emperor grants Pomerania's request.
  • Bohemia: The Emperor declines Pomerania's request.

DENIED

Pomerania's Electoral Request

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Pomerania: As a state rising in power, the Archduchy officialy requests a seat on the electoral college, considering the Wittelsbachts' decline to a minor house at best.
  • Burgundy: Burgundy's Imperial territories contest this. One victory doesn't make you a conqueror. One vassal doesn't make you a king. Pomerania is still a relatively small, un-influential, less-populated, and poorer state.
  • Bohemia: The Emperor declines Pomerania's request.

DENIED

Austria's Electoral Request

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Austria: As one of the most powerful states in the Holy Roman Empire, the Archduchy officially requests a seat on the electoral college, considering the Wittelsbachts' decline to a minor house at best.
  • Pomerania: Supports Austria's electoral request, but only if Austria supports our Electoral request.
  • Burgundy: Burgundy contests this as well. Considering that Austrian linked assassins attempted to murder the Bavarian dukes, and in the failed aftermath, an invasion was already planned and coordinated, one can only conclude the Austrian Duke keeps the company of schemers and plotters, and therefore unworthy of an electors privilege.
  • Austria: Albert V & II is enraged by the Assault not only on his honour, but the honour of his father, Albert IV, Defender of the Catholic Faith. If the Duke of Burgundy has any real evidence he is invited to take this case to trial. However there is none, and cannot be any unless it is forged. The Activities of Bandits, albeit Austrian ones, is not controlled by the State. This was a failing on our part, we admit, criminals were not punished harshly enough to cause them to cut off all activities, however they were subsequently caught by the Bavarian authorities and punished as bandits and murderers as per the law. Furthermore, the newly created Archducal Guard, in their new chief capacity of keepers of the peace, have reduced banditry and organized crime by nearly half, and will continue to reduce it further still as the years go on. As such we ask Burgundy to refrain from further Blasphemies, lest he incurr the wrath of god, as no ruler holding the title of "Defender of the Faith", granted by the Vicar of Christ himself, could ever be as moraly corrupt as you imply is true of both Father and Son. Who is more worthy of an Electorship than the decendant of a crusader and scion of the faith himself?
  • Bohemia: The Emperor declines Austria's request.

DENIED

Secularization of Aquileia

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Austria: The Patriarch of Aquileia has shown inability to control his temporal territories , as such, in the name of peace and stability within the Holy Roman Empire, Austria Requests the Secularization of Aquielia as a Fief of Austria.
  • Bohemia: The Emperor grants Austria's request.
  • Milan: We strongly object to the secularization and subjugation of Aquileia to Austria. It is - and always has been - of Italic descent and Milan believes that giving it to a Germanic power would be an usurpation of the rights of its people. Whether the Emperor chooses to grant Friuli to Milan (under our current confederal system, it would be entitled to retain its current laws and theocratic nature, while reducing Italian conflicts) or keep it independent, it ought not to be secularized or incorporated into Austria.
  • Austria: Was it not too long ago that Gian Maria expressed no further wishes to expand and monopolize Italian people under its rule? I thought so, This desire to incorporate Friuli into Milan simply cannot co-exist with previous claims. The Duke either Holds hidden ambitions, which even he does not wish to impart to the Emperor, showing that nothing has truly changed in the Ambitious Duchy of Milan with pretensions to greater power usurping that of the Emperor. Furthermore, the Austrians promise to instate a Magistrate-General from the Italian Nobility, and help them retain their rights, just as was done in Bavaria to those Lords and Ladies who accepted Habsburg Rule (as would be done to those who accept Secular Rule in Aquileia). Milan has shown no change, but it seems that father and son are not too different, both are ambitious, this simply proves further that Gian Maria, as his father before him, fancies himself King of Italy. Even before the fall of Venice, the Aquileian state was a powder keg, how else would you describe a nation teetering on civil war? Austria is simply the closest vassal of his Imperial Majesty with the ability to restore peace and order within the Empire. 
  • Bohemia: The Emperor declines Austria's request. 

DENIED

OOC note: the article Lx linked showed the source of Aquielias troubles was the incursions against it by Venice. Since Venice hasn't been a thing in a decade, it's most likely Aquielia has improved.

Yeah, I think that Aquielia would A. go to Milan or B. become a stronger state.

Hosting of Cologne

Debate the topic and propose solutions.

  • Cologne/Essen: Essen (also on Cologne's behalf, because Archbishop Friedrich III is in a state of very poor health) enquires as to whether any of its fellow Catholic countries would be willing to host a small envoy of canonesses from Essen, in order to facilitate reform of the Catholic Church. Over the past thirteen years, and as a result of very significant discussion in commissions, Cologne and Essen have reformed the Church to care more visibly for the less advantaged and to enforce stricter discipline on priests and canons. This has made the administration of both countries far more popular amongst their people, because those religious are not seen to be corrupt, but instead living a devout life dedicated to the people of God. The Abbess also quietly notes that she believes this reform is essential to the unity of the Holy Roman Empire itself in a time when infidels like Jan Hus and the Ottomans attack us from all sides. She shows all the attending princes and electors the workings of the highly-intelligent, thoughtful book she and her canonesses have written on this subject over the last thirteen years.
  • Bohemia: The Emperor accepts Cologne's request.
    • Essen: On behalf of Cologne, Abbess Adelphina thanks the Emperor and promises to send out canonesses as soon as the plague is over.

PASSED

Rules for Imperial Diets

There are three colleges:

Electoral

Princes

Cities

All the secen electors make up the first college. All princes who are not heads of a free city make up the Prince college. All princes of free cities make up the third and final college. Each college can debate among themselves and vote among themselves. The final results are tallied from the colleges to determine whether something passes or does not. Note: Elector's votes weigh more heavily than Prince votes.

Each ruler of the Holy Roman Empire receives a vote. It is not one vote per estate, but one vote per prince. For example, if Saxony had a personal union over Thuringia, or Austria had the vassalage of Bavaria, the votes would count as one, not two.

Princes in Attendance

List your country here if you are attending this diet.

Bohemia

Pomerania ~ Otto II of Stettin, Unificator and Archduke of Pomerania ~ Palaiologos-Dynasty-Eagle Ungern von Sternberg A man's GREATEST joy is crushing his enemies Flag of the Northern Yuan

Austria - Albert V & II, Archduke of Austria and Bavaria-Lx (leave me a message)Azarath Flag

Genoa

Essen

Duchy of Brabant and Limburg, County Paltinate of Burgundy - John I, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, and Limburg, Count Palatine of Burgundy, Count of Artois, Flanders, Rethel, and Nevers I am that guy (talk)

Brunswick-Lüneburg The Epic Dragon

Milan - Duke Gian Maria Visconti

Bradenburg: With Blood and Iron (talk) 21:15, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

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