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215 BC

Europe:  Hannibal returns to Carthage a hero, but little do his people know that the war was purely a stalemate with a great cost. Rome's military dictator Fabian steps down following the failure of his defense of Rome. Scipio Africanus returns to Rome from Hispania and is received well but Rome has suffered large scale destruction.  Many of the tribes in Europe such as the Iberians and Celtica have grown much stronger from the war between the two civilizations to the south. With Carthage and Rome at each other's throats, many Romans, especially in the north parts of the nation, move south. Some also move to the Macedonian Confederacy, strengthening this stagnant Hellenic nation.

Africa: The Carthaginian power in Africa is significantly curbed as their loss of men in Italy has widely caused some outrage that many of these men, despite the victory, were sent on a suicide mission. Many Carthaginians seeing the forming Cold War move towards Ptolemaic Egypt out of ancient ancestry, and others who worship the Pantheon of Greek gods - which is a small number, leave for Greece

Middle East: Ptolemy IV begins to curb Seleucid weapon shipments to Egyptian natives in Southern and Central Ptolemaic Egypt, The Seleucids suffer from unrest in their Asian parts of the Empire from over-extension.

North America: Trade begins to flow between the semi-nomadic Shoshone, and the nomadic Chihuahua peoples. A trade outpost is founded between their territory. Called Agaidiaka, many settle there, and it becomes the first real permanent village in the region.

South America: A Stagnant farming community in South America resorts to subjugating many of the very small tribes in the area surrounding them turning them into tributaries of their growing city.

Asia/Oceania: The Qin Chinese although very promising are showing obvious issues as many of the oppressive techniques used by the Emperor has caused massive amounts of unrest just near the breaking point.

Mauryan empire: The emperor dies, and Salisuka, a Buddhist, takes power. He is liked better in the public than the previous emperor. The military grows larger, with a lesser focus on the navy. They notice the turmoil in the Asian Seculids, and ponder an invasion

Picts: A Caitian warlord known as Niall macGodric seeks to unify the fragmented Picts. His campaigns take him south and east, and much of his "warring" is accomplished through diplomacy, to where at the end of the year, the Picts have been unified. With the capital near OTL Wick, king Niall begins to build up military with an emphasis on metal weapons to combat the tribes to the south. Mining begins near Glasgow, and iron is discovered. Military is upgraded by 0.25.

You do not currently have the capability to mine iron. However, you can mine copper and tin, and only if it is very close to the surface. 

Teotihuacan: Begins to expand Southwards. A vein of bright, yellowish metal is discovered in a sacred cave, and, as it is soft, we begin to mine it out, after the High Priest declared that it is holy. Another vein was discovered in a normal cave, and this is mined out also. The sacred metal begins to be used for the priests' jewelry, and the non-sacred is used as decoration on the emperor's palace, and others, as well as jewelry for the rich. Another, harder metal is discovered in a deep gorge, but we don't want to mine this yet, as we have no reason to. army is upgraded.

Yamato Japan: Begins to build up the military. Emperor Kōrei soon dies and is succeeded by Emperor Kōgen. A Palace begins to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo.

  • Korea: Asks for an alliance with Yamato Japan.
  • Yamato Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen accepts Korea's alliance offer.

Macedonian Confederacy/Byzantine Empire: The King of the Macedonian Phillip and with close coalition agree that in order to facilitate a stronger nation and to prevent issues within the confederacy an Empire must in fact be created. Using a major Greek tradition and well off system they agree to Elect Phillip of Macedon as their Emperor on the condition that either the King, leader, or an appointed representative of every province form a Council to limit the power of the Emperor so he cannot heavily exploit the country like so many do. Issues on deciding on a city flare up but many agree that Byzantium should be the Capital of this new empire, and that with its strategic trade area, and its ability to be a massive port city are well received and Byzantium is made the capital. The Change into an Empire is expected to take about ten to 20 years with elections for new Emperor to take place within the time period to decide the Ruling Family of the Empire. With thousands of Romans immigrating to the new Confederation/Empire they are given a new place in society to help establish and build the Byzantine Senate (The council) which with Roman expertise from the few senators that moved to the Empire would be best used. The ex-Romans all together are fully established in Byzantium in their own newly built district of the city. The Cities of Athens, Rhodes, and Pergamum are commissioned to build more ships for the Byzantine Navy. The former Roman soldiers in the empire are paid and commissioned to help explain how their military forces worked so as to either modify the Phalanx pikemen or create a new unit with will be a new addition to the Empire military ranks. Army score is upgraded to 1.75. And the military is expanded to include nearly 70,000 troops. Most believe it's a gross over-extension of the empire's resources but the threat of enemies to the north wins out and it's accepted. We begin to heavily influence Appolonia, and moderately influence Epirus and Pontus. Helicarnasus a Ptolemaic city is also heavily influenced using the Byzantines central and origin factor of Hellenic culture to influence them. Our section of the Mediterranean Sea is guarded heavily to prevent undesirables from reaching the European portions this patrolling and guarding goes all the way down to the unoccupied part of North Africa. The feasibility of a Joint, Greco-Macedonian colony in the unoccupied part of Africa is talked about for the coming years. The King of Macedon, Phillip begins searching for a wife and begins searching all throughout Macedon and the Greek cities.


Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We ask for Appolonia to become part of the Byzantine Empire (RNG 1-4 yes 5 unused 6-10 7 no for now). We ask Epirus for a trade agreement as well as a military alliance, We ask the Ptolemaics and Seleucids for trade agreements and concurrent non aggression pacts.

 *Epirus Dip:Accepts alliance and trade agreement.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Accepts a non-aggression pact and Eastern Mediterranean Alliance to counter the growing power of Rome and Carthage.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request a trade agreement with the Macedonian Confederacy.
  • Macedonian D: We agree.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage) : Hannibal returns to Carthage and receives a great military parade, many believing he truly is the greatest general in the known world. Hasdrubal, Hannibal's brother becomes governor of Carthaginian Iberia, and he recruits local Iberians to be prepared for any Roman action in the new Roman Iberia. Mago, Hannibal's other brother. becomes Governor of Carthaginian Italia, recruiting local Gauls and Latins to replenish the departed Carthaginian army. Trade continues across the Mediterranean as the Carthaginian navy continues to dominate trade. Iron plows, as well as other agricultural equipment is shipped to the Carthaginian colonies in the Iberian Peninsula to promote agricultural growth in the region. The two Suffets of Carthage, one of the Magonids and the other of the Massylians, are still wary of Hannibal and his boldness, but nonetheless congratulate him and help bring even greater prestige to the Barcid family. Hasdrupal sends two diplomats/generals into the Northern Iberian tribes, to buy mercenaries. Mago buys many Gallic mercenaries but finds many Latins unwilling to aid him. Hannibal has a child after returning to Carthage with his Iberian wife, and he names the child Hamilicar Barca II in honor of his father. Expansion of the Carthaginian navy begins once more, with twenty Quinquereme's and twenty Galley's put into construction and are finished in a year and a half. We upgrade our navy by 0.25.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hannibal of Carthage wishes to discuss the terms of the peace treaty with the Roman Senate in a neutral location.
  • Hispanic Confederacy: The two diplomats/generals coming from Hasdrupal are killed and their money stolen.

Qin China: The emperor stops some major construction projects, including the construction of the royal palace and the Terracotta army. Confucianism is not oppressed anymore, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built. Although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. This change is influenced by a small worker riot, which put that section of the Great Wall three months under par. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare. A voyage is commissioned to go to Korea and contact the nation in Korea.

  • Korea: Asks for an alliance with Qin China.
  • Mauryan D: Asks for alliance.

Korea: The Kingdom of Korea begins to prepare an expedition to go to Japan. We begin to build up our military.

Roman Republic: The Roman government agrees on the Carthaginian treaty. While this, the military is built up and the Roman navy is upgraded by 0.25. Thirty Quinquereme's and 40 galleys are made, Fabian gives his power back to the senate, who in a surprising move choose Scipius as ruler of the Roman Hispania, knowing that it was him the one that in the first place gained the territory. While this, the senate awaits for the meeting and offer it to be in Massalia, a closer Mediterranean nation. While this, many men are recruited from Roman Italy and some Cisalpine Gauls. While this, exploration through the Venetian lands occur as some trading ships travel to the core of the Cisalpine Gaul and Venetii lands through the Po river. 10,000 soldiers are recruited from Southern Italy.

  • Macedonian/Byzantine Dip: We offer a large scale trade agreement now that the war is over.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We agree to holding the treaty in Massalia, and will send the two Suffets along with Mago to attend the meeting (Do the treaty in chat, talk page, or what?)
  • Make a page for it called the Treaty of Massalia, etc. It'll all go on a treaties page. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:12, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
  • Okie-Dokie Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 01:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


Belgican Tribes: The young head man of a northern tribe conquers the other northern tribes and calls himself "The King of the Low Lands". He wants an centralised trade system and therefore, the economy is improved by 0.25.

  • Most of the Romain roads were not build in 215 B.C. and there were already very good reads in Gaul. I don't think that you would knows about Roman roads or need them. 

Selucid Empire: The Selucids begin building up there military and constructing roads across the country. We begin fortifying our border with India, although we send an envoy to them stating it is only a precaution and we mean nothing offensive or aggressive by it. The Selucid ruler begins traveling across the country, encouraging greater unity among his people. We send an envoy to the Roman Republic asking for a trade pact and safe passage through Roman waters.

The Macedonians/Byzantines control this part of the Mediterranean... you have zero ways to reach them, you also have no way of trading with them without direct water access, or land access. If you asked the Macedonians I'm sure they would let you through. You also have no idea about the Mauryans attempting any invasion. he said their leaders ponder it. It doesn't mean it announced to the world. You have no idea.

Christ! First turn and already most of someone's post is crossed out!

New Zealand: Sailors from Samoa and other Pacific islands land on an uninhabited island. Their numbers are a few dozen, mostly young adult men and several women. They had no records of this islands, though they didn't keep any records of anything, really. Several brave explorers search the place, wondering whose land they had stumbled upon. They found strange, wingless bird creatures, with tall necks and long legs. One explorer, Mosamo'ana, is the first to hunt and eat them. They call the birds "longnecks". They make plentiful food for the settlers. A small village begins construction on the island. Seventeen men are chosen to go and tell the people at their former homes about this place.

Proto-Finnish Tribes: A young man by the name of Aatu Aalto barely 20 begins a large campaign to unify the tribes. He manages to unite several in the east but in the west the frozen marshes make moving difficult. An envoy is sent to the Estonian Tribes of a trade deal and an alliance (1- in order to get Finnish furs in the East Baltic trade and ensure future aid against the Travatians and/or Karelians. Tin and copper deposits are found to the south and are mined in a small scale to produce bronze and give an edge against our Travatian and Karelian cousins (the military is improved by 0.25). The tribes begin expanding into the East into OTL Russia.

  • Estonian Tribe (RNG) Diplomacy: 10. They send your envoy's head back to you, tied to his saddle.

Hispanic Confereracy: The Hispanic Confederacy peacefully annexes the tribes in Hispania who were not in the Confederacy. We centralize the Confederacy, making our economy better by 0.25. The tribes next to Gaul are asked to fortify the mountains. Our navy score is lowered by 0.5 because we don't really have a navy. 

Scores are mod lowered.. and you honestly have no reason to lower the score.

Celtic Tribes of Ireland: The loose confederacy of tribes in the south and east plans an invasion of the north, wanting access to their valuable land. War wages for nearly a year and the South/East loose tribal confederacy leads his coalition to victory. The northern tribes are set onto their boats and set sail to the north as a sacrifice to the pagan gods. Little does the confederacy of tribes know. Most northern tribes would land in OTL Iceland in the early spring of 214 BC, within the first year, thousands die as the people get acquainted with the territory. The confederacy's tribes have albins (elders/kings) and start a tighter confederacy bonded by the war against the now expelled northern tribes (Upgrade economy score by 0.25). The remaining tribes begin taking the land and homes of the old tribes. La Tene makes small advances into southeastern Ireland. 

OOC: What are we allowed to upgrade our scores? and I presume they have to have a valid reason. It's in the rules - 0.25. Every other turn they are reset when you hit the next nation tier.

um - If wilster doesn't take a turn in three turns may I take Scandinavian tribes? Nkbeeching (talk) 19:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you may. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:12, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ptolemaic Egypt: The Ptolemy pharaoh has a strange vision in a dream. In the coming weeks an ethnic Egyptian craftsman, Ramses Moses, is hired as the prime minister of Ptolemaic Egypt. He is recognized by modern historians as one of the most capable statesmen in the history of Egypt. The old land program was reformed. Peasant farmers have been given the right to own their land in exchange for military service, like the Cossacks OTL. When the Nile floods the fields, all able bodied male villagers are enrolled in military schools. This program makes a standing army out of a poor rustic population. Egyptians serve in the army alongside Greeks, eliminating dependence on foreign mercenaries.(army + 0.25). Forts are built in Upper Egypt, Sinai and Eastern Libya to secure our borders. We ask Carthage of a non-aggression pact for now.  VX

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request that Carthaginian merchants be allowed into Egypt, and Egyptian merchants be allowed in Carthage for trade. And we also agree to the non-aggression pact.
  • 'Ptolemaic Egypt: We accept the trade agreement.

VX: you may only upgrade one at a time. Please choose economy or army. You also can't influence me. I'm actually the center of Hellenic culture and there is no way you'd be selling grain to me either. We don't have a trade agreement. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 19:29, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Welsh Tribes: The central tribe Welsh Tribe Ordovice is hit with a moderate famine and they decide to wage war against the northern tribe Deceangli. Fearing potential Ordovice invasion the southeastern Welsh tribe Silure and the southwestern Welsh tribe Demetae united to become Silurian-Demaetaean/Southern Union. Ordovice was victorious over Deceangli and the famine stopped. With the victory the Orthovician Chieftan thought he could unify all of the Welsh Tribes and invaded the northwestern tribe of Gangani. The Southern Union then declared war on Ordovice. Meanwhile, Ordovice and Cornovii had a short lived border dispute which gave time for Demetae to capture coastal Ordovicean cities and for Silure to push significantlly inland towards the Ordovicean capital. Soon Ordovice surrendered and The Southern Union formed the Kingdom of Brython.

  • Aoengic Kingdoms: We seek to trade with the remaining Welsh Tribes (Brython). We ask that if any of our northern rival tribes (those that lost the war), land in your region, that you sacrifice them to the Celtic deities. 
  • Brython: We accept the trade offer and accept the sacrificial request.
  • Breton Dip: We offer an alliance as well as trade.

Marksville Tribes: Guards are sent in the main cities of the territory, in order to get protected from invasions.

The Mayans: Begin expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. Army is upgraded. The cities become more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions.

Epirus: A guard unit from every tribe is organized. After losing to Rome in the previous Pyrrhic War, more men are recruited into the army (army + 0.25). A new confederate republic style of government is adopted, with leaders for each tribe elected, and a leader of the entire League elected by the tribal leaders. The Aedacide dynasty still retains their royal titles, however. We accept the Macedonian alliance and trade agreement. However, all the Macedonian propaganda is made illegal in all three tribes. Appolonia is asked for an alliance and trade agreement.

Army is strictly a TECH! score not related to the amount of people...if you change your reasoning...I presume you can upgrade. g greg e (talk)

Britannia: The tribes merge to form a loose confederation any tribes that resist, are decimated using Roman style tactics. The Kingdom of Britannia is declared. The military is expanded (army 0.25) The economy expands(economy 0.25) (how does this 0.25 thing work?)

You haven't encountered the Romans. Also you don't know Latin...just so you know, thus Britannia is not really a plausible name. g greg e (talk)

The concept of a kingdom or kings for that matter have not been introduced into the British Isles. The closest thing you can have to that is a Tribal Head Chief, who then cannot control all the actions of as many tribes as Britain had at this point in time. Britannia is a Latin name for Britain, so that is not going to work. You are the British Tribes. Also, even if you had encountered the Romans, which OTL British Tribes did, they did nothing of the sort to adopt their tactics, or else they would've been utterly decimated. And you can only upgrade one tech per turn, and not consecutively. You can choose to upgrade your army or economy for this turn, nothing the next, and in two turns, upgrade again. You must also give a reason that is plausible for upgrading your techs, such as Rome's or Carthage's expansion of their navy through building specific ships. I'm not trying to berate you or be mean. I'm just trying to make sure we all get off to a great start, plausibly and within the rules. Thank you! Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 00:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

The Germanian Tribes undergo a radical change, led by the Chief of the Marcomanni. He decides to attack a number of other Germanian tribes, uniting them by using superior stone weapons, and even using a few bronze weapons on his elite troops. Soon, he declared himself King of the Danube, from his capital city of Vienna. He has united most of the western Germanian Tribes. Taking the lead of the Marcomanni, and in fear of being defeated by them, the Chief of the Burgundiones, from Dresden, merges with Posen, and then unites the rest of the Germanian Tribes as the Kingdom of the Elbe. Both Kings look in different direction to expand - with Elbe focused on the Saxons to the North, while the Danube look the Alemani on the fertile Rhine River Valley. Army improves.

  • The King of the Danube offers the Tencteri Chief of the Alemani a proposal of becoming a vassal. He alludes to the possibility of the Tencteri Chief becoming the King of the Rhine.
  • The King of the Elbe offers the Varini Chief of the Saxons a proposal of becoming a vassal. He alludes to the possibility of the Varini Chief becoming the King of the Vistula.
  • The Germanians seek an alliance with the Cisalpine Gauls, and begin to plan for vassalization.

Pontus: King Mithridates II pondered over military reports and history. He has been awed by Rome and Carthage, especially Hannibal. This is why he wants to reform the whole army, not upgrade because it would easily exhaust its treasury. He also wants to safeguard the Pontic border against a massively enlarged Macedon. He first improves the supply lines by standarizing the tax according to business wealth, poorest pays lowest and richest pays most. He also standarizes the quota of farmers so that they could eat and be happy at the same time feed the state. With this, he starts to build walls around cities, especially Sinope and Pontus, and small forts in the frontier. In the army, his first act was to abolish the chariots. He hoards all the wood and metal to reform his army. By the end of the year, he has done a large job of reforming the army, and even though it is not yet in perfect condition, he manages to have 25,000 infantry and 9500 cavalry, mostly due to the big opportunities he created, like higher pay and more prosperous families. He also reformed most of the infantry by issuing them short spears, shorter than hoplites. But, they gained two javelins, a short sword for stabbing and the shields had a new, original design. It has a very slightly tilted, large diamond shield, making the new troops make a fully covered testudo, plus sides and back, with spears sticking out from all sides, like a phalanx. This way, it becomes very flexible and able to perform a testudo-phalanx. It also has overlapping scale armor, allowing for better movement and making it fast, able to move on very rough ground because it emphasizes team coordination and discipline over simply being a massed wall of pikes. He calls this new troop adamantoi. (+ 0.25 military). He also reforms the other parts of the army and changes the navy, scrapping the large ones to create smaller, faster ones, with a heavier ram. He also mass produces artillery, learning that it could be a mobile, independent harassing unit. This almost empties out the treasury but Mithridates knows that in the long term, it could be a great change. By the end of the year, Pontus has, with deserters, mercs, etc.:

  • 2500 Argyraspides, armed in the old way of Alexander the Great's phalanx, making it a bit more flexible and armored.
  • 2500 Chalkaspides, armed normally but much more disciplined, hardened and capable of retreating orderly, break harder, perform a double phalanx to prevent rear attacks, and not panic even though the flanks are pushed back, owing to the double phalanx.
  • 1000 Cyrtian slingers
  • 3000 Galatian light infantry, armed with the Celtic Theuros, Mail and short spear. Flexible and can do phalanx.
  • 2300 sparabara, a light infantry, imitated from the old Persian sparabars, but armed in light, metal shields, short spears and long swords. They can do a testudo but they are not too disciplined to maintain one. They also have a long sword if they are in a loose formation.
  • 2200 archers
  • 2000 javelinmen
  • 10,000 adamantoi
  • 1500 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
  • 1500 Sarmartian Cavalry
  • 2000 Pontic Cavalry
  • 1500 horse archers
  • 1500 mounted javelinmen
  • 1500 Thessalian Cavalry
  • 90 ships
  • Pontus Dip: We request trade rights and an alliance with Armenia, to secure the eastern frontier.

Pontus would not be able to field those kinds of numbers, you're not a big kingdom. You're decent but your population is nowhere near mine and I'm fielding about 60 to 70,000 troops. Please give us realistic numbers. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 13:21, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

New Zealand: Sailors from Samoa and other Pacific Islands land on an uninhabited island. Their numbers are a few dozen, mostly young adult men and several women. They had no records of this islands, though they didn't keep any records of anything, really. Several brave explorers search the place, wondering whose land they had stumbled upon. They found strange, wingless bird creatures, with tall necks and long legs. One explorer, Mosamo'ana, is the first to hunt and eat them. They call the birds "longnecks". They make plentiful food for the settlers. A small village begins construction on the island. Seventeen men are chosen to go and tell the people at their former homes about this place.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young king Pineus drives improvements in the reign, seeking to bring the kingdom to a new era of prosperity, for that reason seeks to repopulate abandoned agricultural areas (economy + 0.25), and at the same time make crops within the realm more profitable every season.

213 BC

Europe: A recently brokered treaty between Carthage and Rome has agreed to regrant all lands to their
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respective sides following the war. Many of the tribes around Europe are growing more and more organized or more hostile to the powerful nations of Carthage and Rome.

Europe: The Alemani Tribes agree to the vassalization, and the Cisapline Gauls agree to the alliance with the Germanans. The Saxons agree to only marry off one of their higher born ladies to the King of the Elbe.

Africa: A Greek trading post is established in unoccupied africa as a result of the trade agreement between Greece and Carthage, due to the mutual agreements between Egypt, Carthage and the Confederacy it becomes and easy post of trade between the three nations. Carthage's treasury has faltered in recent years over the expedition into Europe. 

Middle East: Egypt has managed to secure its border against the Seleucids preventing further weapons shipment which were causing major unrest. Seleucid Empire suffers some Civil unrest in its Indian/Asian half due to the mass cultural differences.

North America: Many of the North American tribes have had good years and major population growth is felt. However, getting more food to supply these people will be an issue.

South America: A marauding group of tribes which are constantly fighting each other spanning from Central America to Teotihuacan causing major issues to each areas respective farming communities.

Asia: The Qin are still suffering civil unrest over the oppression. Korea has a minor population deflation.

Mod announcement: The upgrades can only be done one time per two turns.. and you may only upgrade one score. Please keep this in mind. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 13:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Random Historical Fact: When the Carthaginians discovered gorillas they initially thought that they were humans. Petrarch: Father of SWAG! (talk) 13:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

^ I think these...We are keeping these... Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 01:42, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Teotihuacan: Metal crafting grows in popularity. We respond in force to the brutal attacks, and send out the army. We continue to expand Southward. Selective Breeding of llamas begins, breeding for strength and speed. Some Jaguar cubs are found, after a hunter killed the mother. The hunter returns them to Teotihuacan, and trains them to do basic tricks. Impressed, the Warchief of the military orders hunters and warriors to collect as many jaguar cubs as they can. An extimated 500 jaguars are slaughtered, and the (average) three cubs per jaguar are taken by the military, and trained. The 500 that take best to the training are allowed to breed. The other 1000 are killed. It is expected that 24 years from now, we will have Jaguars as trainable as European dogs. (I know that the Teutihuacan don't know Europe exists. I am drawing a parallel.)

Proto-Finnish Tribes: Aatu Aalto manages to unite the eastern Finnish tribes and forms the Tribedom of Suomi. Aatu Aalto begins to strenghten the military significantly by organization. Bronze javelins and pikes become extremely common for chiefs and higher up warriors as bronze is still in shortage. Bronze begins to be produced far more than in previous years to catch up with demand. A permanent settlement is founded in OTL Segheza and is made into the capital. Slingers and javelinemen become far more common in the military as do pikemen as defensive squares and circles become a popular tactic and even the concept tamed bears released upon unsuspecting foes becomes popular, and Aatu Aalto demands that War Bears be bread to be smarter, larger, and stronger. Aatu Aalto prepares the military for a future campaign. Expands to the east farther.

The total military uner Aatu Aalto army of consists of 13,500:

  • 8000 Disorganized Finnish Tribesmen
  • 900 Finnish Slingers
  • 350 Finnish Javlineers
  • 850 Finnish Pikemen
  • 35 Finnish Bear Handlers (averaging two bears each currently under training practically useless)
  • 165 East Baltic Nomads (disorganized as well)
  • 700 Tavastian Slingers
  • 500 Tavastian Spearmen (Stone, as the newly integrated regions have not been introduce to Bronze)
  • 500 Tavastian Javlineers
  • 1500 Disorganized Tavastian tribesmen
  • Proto-Finnish Dip: We offer the many Tavastian tribes vassalization (RNG).
  • Tavastian Tribes (RNG: 2): The tribes of OTL Estonia and north to the border with the Proto-Finnish agree to the vassalization of their tribes due to cultural similarities of their peoples and hopes that they can be afforded greater trade.

Takes more than two years to tame and breed bears, let alone train them for warring purposes. g greg e (talk) 17:22, August 6, 2013 (UTC)


Mauryan Empire: The new Empire focuses on the military a lot more, and it continues to grow (we increase the army score by 0.25). He also focuses heavily on religion, and Buddhist temples are erected across the country. We begin to tame Indian elephants, with an idea that they could possibly be used in battle.

No need to even begin to tame elephants because that was done 100 years before. Even before the Mauryan empire came to power, elephant warfare was already widespread in India. The kingdom of Porus on the Indus river used them extensively. Carthegene and Egypt have already many war elephants. VX

Macedonian Confed/Byzantine Empire: With lack of a better option as many cities lack a high level princess to offer King Phillip, He marries a high level daughter from Athens Archon solidifying his grip on a naval and trade that Athens enjoys. However, Phillip does, in fact,  marry off the daughter of one of his lords to the leader of Sparta in order to secure them as well. The goodwill Phillip is showing as well as mutual improvement throughout the confederacy begins to ensure the union of the cities of the Confederacy a bit more into a full blown empire in the near future. Phillip in the meantime continues the expansion of the Navy and allows for ships carrying in excess of 2000 people in one of the largest feats in history to re-inforce the Greek trading post into a full blown colony in Africa. The center of trade being established as a safe haven and neutral trading zone has allowed for the economic growth Phillip promised the Confederacy further gaining their trust. Following the marriage to the Athenian Archon's daughter she is pregnant with his child within months. Phillip officially makes Aridane of Athens (his new wife) the queen of the Macedonian kingdom proper and continues major inroads to improvement with the Greek cities so far as establishing more well built roads, and a dedicated and protected sea trade route to Rhodes, and the Anatolian cities. Phillip in order to prevent the Spartans from feeling more left out for getting a lesser marriage with Macedon is paid and focused on to help expand the cities facilities. Once more Appolonia is asked by not only Macedon but now Athens and Sparta to join the confederacy. The Confederacy begins to start seeing Dacian encroachment on Northern Macedonian provinces. We continue to influence Appollonia. Iron is created in small amounts. However, large scale smelting and manufacturing of iron has not been met and may not come about for another 30 or 40 years. War is declared on Appollonia and the Confederacy sends 30,000 troops with Onagers to fight them about 20 miles outside of their city (Casus Belli: political blunder) (Objective: Conquest -3 Stability)

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Mago Barca requests to buy 5000 Greek hoplites to send to his brothers in Iberia. All will be returned upon conclusion of the war. We also request that Carthaginian trade ships be allowed to pass through the Bosphorus Strait to allow possible trade between the Kingdom of Pontus and Carthage.
  • Macedon Dip: We will accept on the condition that you do not move any military units through, and that you do not colonize or move on any areas in and around the Black Sea.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We accept your conditions and assure you we have no interests in colonies, nor warfare, in or around the Macedonian Confederacy.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Hannibal travels to Carthaginian Iberia to meet with his brother Hasdrupal, where they both plan and gather two armies for attacking the Iberian Tribes, and one for defending Carthaginian Iberia. Mago travels from former Carthaginian Italia with his navy to stay and govern Carthaginian Sicily in a principal town of Ziz (Palmero) which his father, Hamilicar, held in the first Punic War many years ago. A small Carthaginian trade fleet is blown off course by a storm while traveling to a port controlled by a major tribe in Celtica, They land at a large island where the people are calling themselves the Aoegonic Kingdoms. The Carthaginian traders buy tin and copper, and some local weapons before leaving to return to Carthaginian waters so that they can boast on finding a new island called Aynook Celcia (The Island of Celts). They arrive and begin telling tales of lands so rich in tin and copper that it flows from the mountains, and that gold is just as prevalent, leading to much more trading contact with the Aoegonic Kingdoms. The armies of Hannibal and Hasdrupal each have:

  • 4000 Numidian Javelin Skirmish Horsemen.
  • 10,000 Libyan Spearmen.
  • 1000 Libya-Phoenician Heavy Cavalry (Libyans who have adopted Phoenician culture).
  • 5000 Moorish-Numidian Slingers/Javeliners.
  • 2500 Iberian Swordsmen.
  • 2000 CeltiIberian Falcata Swordsmen.
  • 500 Lusitanian Skirmishers.
  • 2000 Celtic Swordsmen (Most of them are naked).
  • 1000 Celtic Cavalry (Most of them are clothed).
  • 4000 Baeleric Slingers.

Total: 32,000 soldiers each. (These are provided from the pockets of Hannibal and Hasdrupal, and Mago has also lent each money.)

The Carthaginian Senate, however, provides very little as they are suspicious of Hannibal and his brother due to both of their warring ambitions, but nonetheless provide each:

  • 500 Numidian Javelin Skirmish Horsemen.
  • 1000 Libyan Spearmen.
  • 500 Moorish-Minidan Slingers/Javeliners.
  • 1000 Iberian Swordsmen.
  • 750 Balearic Slingers.

Total: 3750 each.

The brothers begin to plan their strategy. They plan that Hannibal shall go to Coimbria and siege the Iberian settlement there, and Hasdrupal will head to the settlement of Salduie (Zaragoza) and siege there. They shall have a force to defend Carthagian Iberia so that the land is closed to barbarian assaults while they siege. Once they have successfully taken the settlements, they shall travel to Vallisoletano and both siege that city. Once all the three sieges are complete, they shall offer peace to the Iberians. They both travel to their respective settlements where they surround the city, and begin to build siege engines. Hannibal recruits 1500 Iberian Swordsmen and 500 Iberian Skirmishers along the way due to his fame among the Iberians, while Hasdrupal is unsuccessful in recruiting any sizable number of mercenaries. 

  • Aoengic Kingdoms Trade: Trade you for some advanced weaponry amongst other things. We also keep the rest of the isles secret from you for the time being. 
  • Carthaginian Trade: We offer the Iberian Falcata, which can break shields and crush helmets as if they were made of cloth, and the Sarrisa, a 15 to 19 foot long pike. 

Belgican Tribes: The Kingdom of the Low Lands asks the southern tribes to join the fresh kingdom. if they don't accept, an invasion may be necessary.(RNG 1-6 yes 7-10 no 6= yes) The new tribes are welcomed and invited for a great feast. The king, wanting a centralised kingdom and every tribe gets an observer and needs to provide a couple of their warriors. The king also trains some professional troops as swordsmen, horsemen and archers.

You can not do your own RNGs. g greg e (talk)

Southern Tribes (RNG: 10): The Southern tribes have decided they would sacrifice their children before they would join.

Iberian Confederation: We centralize more. We try to units Iberia under the Iberian Confederation and end the Cartagenian occupation of south Iberia, promising them to attack Carthage in the next decade. We send messenger in Rome explaining them that Carthage is making an army in Ibaria and may be trying to attack them. More fortification are build in the mountains. We ask help from Gaulli Tribes (Aquitani, Cisalpin, Begican, and Celtic) for our expedition against Carthage. They have ten years to recruit everybody who want to come. We pay pirate to raid the Carthagenian siph next Iberia. We ask an alliance with Greece, explaining that we may stop protecting there two trading post in Iberia if they refuse and that they may have new trading post if they don't. We try to buy off iberian soldier in Cartaginian armies in Iberia.

  • Aquitani (RNG: 10): The Aquitani refuse to get involved in such a conflict.
  • Cispaline (RNG: 6): The Cispaline Gauls will not get involved militarily, but will send supplies.

Some of these tribes have players. g greg e (talk)

My bad, I was in a hurry Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:47, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

The Treaty of Massalia (Which page I need to make, my bad) Explains that Carthage has agreed to not expand or interfere above the Iberian Peninsula, and Rome will not expand nor interfere below the Iberian Peninsula. There was also a period of ten years of pure peace between them. Sorry I didn't make a page yet before your turn. Also, the only Iberian soldiers you could buy off would be the 2000 Hannibal bought in your territory. The others are hugely loyal to the Barcid family in general, starting with Hamilicar Barca I. The Iberians in Carthage didn't even revolt when they knew they wouldn't get paid before the Mercenary Wars. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:25, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: The palace continues to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus is a Governing Council that advises on matters of the kingdom, and thanks to these meetings with skillful and intelligent men of the most remarkable families continues to bring prosperity to the kingdom. The next step is to provide security at the borders of the kingdom, and for that matter starts building border guardposts (military + 0.25), and these heavily guarded to prevent looting of villages less civilized.

You cannot upgrade twice in two turns. You can only upgrade one per two turns, and you upgraded your economy last turn. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:33, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

You can only upgrade once every two turns. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 21:11, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ptolemaic Egypt: The army continues to be reformed. Military service becomes compulsory for all able bodied male citizens. An irate war elephant damages the eastern wall of the palace in Alexandria; it is repaired and expanded. Temples are built. Reports of unrest come from upper Egypt. It appears that the disobedient Sudanese tribesmen have raided Egyptian villages once more. They attack rural settlements and flee with the booty before the army can get to them. Southern defences are strengthened in response. We send a delegation to Pontus and Seleucia asking them both for a non-aggression pact and trade agreement.

The Mayans: Continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions.

Pontus: After two years, we have a much more strengthened economy. The extra moneyis used to build roads and the reform plan is continued. Mithridates starts to try to remove corruption from the government. We encourage child birth and employment. We encourage students to share fresh, new ideas to practice and analyze in war games and economic trials. We build more schools and hospitals (or whatever they called them before) to produce more productive people for the benefit of Pontus. Mithridates II also unveils the new artillery to his top generals and officials, to promote secrecy. Little details has been known, but it is said to be able to fire bolts and stones, and that it is small and mobile enough to hide and maneuver but big enough to do some real damage. It's a combination of a Lithobolos and a Ballista, made smaller with a bigger base to attach wheels, so it's easier to push them.

You have to tell mods what it is so we can judge the plausiblity, especially with a term as vague as 'artillery', because that covers everything from catapults to Howitzers. Mafia (talk) 10:58, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I just thought of the properties. I'm still imagining how it would look. Don't worry. I know the plausibility of having an 88mm gun in 213 B.C. But for the mods, I'll say what it looks like. iAmVictoriousVVW (talk) 11:18, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

OK Mafia (talk) 11:24, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

  • Pontus Dip: We request military alliance with Macedon..
  • Macedonia Dip: We will accept in return for a trade agreement.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request a trade agreement between the Kingdom of Pontus and Carthage.
  • Ponus Dip: We accept both, also requesting Carthaginian officers to inspect our navy and a military pact with Macedon.

Laurel Tribes: Expands farms and villages.

Selucid Empire: We build up our military and crack down on the unrest in the country, but the Emperor is killed in unrest, causing his son to take the throne, who favors peaceful defense and focusing on domestic affairs in order to strongly unite the people of all ethnicites and cultures in his lands into one nation, without the use of violence. The new Emperor asks the Macedonians for a trade pact and we send a message to Egypt offering a formal apology, as the new Emperor wishes to try to erase tensions. The new Emperor begins ordering construction of new infrastrucure and roads to connect the country. We begin paying attention to our eastern border and begin taking defensive precautions, ordering the construction of a line of forts along the border with pits between each fort. The Emperor also decides to begin constructing the same type of wall along the countries northern and southern borders as well, as to allow for greater defensive power. Construction of several trading fleets begins.

  • Egypt: We welcome the delegation warmly as a sign of improving relations between the two countries. We send eight camels and 20 oxen as a gift to the emperor.
  • Selucid Diplomacy: We thank the Egyptians for their gifts and warm welcome, and in return we send 20 Ingots of Gold, 15 of Silver, and ten casks of our finest wine.

Aoengic Ireland: Begins contact and trade with the Carthaginian merchants. acquiring many new weapons. Armed with these new weapons the kingdoms look to the east to gain even more lands. However, they currently trust and love the Welsh Brython. The leaders of the kingdoms begin to intermarry. Agriculture and hearing begins to increase. Copper continues to rise in use. La Tene continues to influence the irlish tribes. Small carvings begin on large stones.  Elders are weary of the Cartheginians at first, and causes them to argue for further integration by each albain. Goidelic language begins to alter slightly. 

Brythonian Diplomacy: We offer Aoengic Ireland an alliance and request aid in our war against the Picts.

Dubhshlain: Nearly 15,000 die in the first winter on their new lands. Another 15,000 in the second and food and fuel become harder to come by, driving further expansion by the residents as they search for food and fuel. Some copper and metals are discovered. And because of their past they do begin to utilize it in small amounts. 

Welsh Brython Kingdom: With the Welsh Tribes unified into a kingdom we seek to unify the island and declare war on the Picts. 10,000 troops advance to the north to the Brython-Pict border and contront the Picts there (ALG).  Because of the war, we upgrade our army score by 0.25. We allow Aoengic Ireland access through our country.

  • Aoengic Ireland Diplomacy: We will send 5500 men to join in the buildup.  Many of which have newer weapons modeled on the Carthage weapons, or Carthaginian weapons themselves.  We start the war for the Pict-Brython borderland. 

Kingdom of the Danube: The Marcomanni-ruled Kingdom, from Vienna, is strengthened by the addition of the Alemani chief of the Tencteri. Quickly, the military of the Danube begin to fight to alongside the chief of the Tencteri, and the Alemanic peoples and tribes have been united. The Danubians, quick to help out their new allies and aligned friends, try to share their technology as an advanced tribe. The Alemani are organized into a kingdom, the Kingdom of the Rhine, and catch on to settlements, farming and more advanced trapping skills. The cultures of the Alemani and the Germanians begin to mix. Meanwhile, bronze-making becomes much more popular, since bronze has been proven time and time again in the battlefield to be stronger than stone or wood.

Kingdom of the Elbe: The Dresden-based Burgundiones, who rule the Elbe, is bolstered by the diplomatic marriage of the Varini chieftess, who then fights (from the east and south) to take the rest of the Saxon tribes. Once they are all united, which is achieved by the use of bronze over inferior stone tools, the Kingdom of Saxony. Since the Saxons are very culturally similar to the Germanians, the cultures begin to merge, as can be expected. Positive relations are established between the Four Germanic Kingdoms - the Danube, Elbe, Rhine, and Saxon Kingdoms.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed anymore, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built. Although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare. We accept Korean's offer of an alliance and our fleet in Korea moves to Japan after hearing it from the Koreans. The emperor's son is released and the money saved from stopping the major construction projects are spent to study farming and agriculture, as well as building canals, which is done by soldiers, as a form of training, and by professional workers.

  • Korea Diplomacy: We propose a joint invasion of Xiongnu and we split the nation, with Korea getting 100 miles inland from our border and Qin China getting the rest.

Korea: Our military is up to 28,000 soldiers with several artillery pieces. An experimental flame thrower is built that shoots out petroleum, that hits a torch, and burns things. Firebombs are made for our catapults. The King has a son and names him Lim Soug. Confucianism is the main religion in Korea with Buddhism and Taoism following. Farms are built, increasing food production and the livelyhood of the people in it.

Celtican Tribes: Relations with Carthage improve as the Celts, during the Punic Wars, had allowed Carthaginian soldiers to pass through Celtican lands. Many powerful tribes, such as the Parisii and Senones, increase their militaries. The Petrocorii, in southern Celtica, increases its military as well, though they begin to set their eyes on the less-aggressive Aquitainians.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request that Carthaginian merchants be allowed to sell their goods in your ports, and we will allow Celtican merchants in our ports to allow for better relations and improved economies for both our civilizations.
  • Celtican Diplomacy: Accepted.

211 BC

Europe: increased centralisation of many tribes has led to the formation of proto-kingdoms, or fledgeling
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kingdoms among some of the tribes putting them on track to possibly challenging one of the greater powers in Europe eventually. The War in The British Isles continues. The Vassalization of the Tavastian tribes leads to a greater Proto-Finnish influence in their general area. The Thracians launch a last ditch full scale invasion of the main mass of thrace attempting to take Byzantium and cut off Macedon from its Anatolian cities, and hence cutting the Confederacy in half. They are stopped less than 50 miles from Byzantium. The German tribes are growing increasingly powerful as raids on advanced frontier settlements independent of the larger nations has allowed the capture of men who know how to create more complex agriculture, and buildings. The Invasion of Iberia by Carthage has led to complication of co-operation between the tribes as they are under attack. However, dedicated tribesman remain behind the lines and harass Carthaginian supply lines mercilessly. The relations between the Germans and Saxons improve due to the Marriage between the two. Faced with starvation after a year and a Half Appollonia is forced to capitulate to the Macedonian confederacy

Africa: The Carthaginian cities under the control of the leaders of the Iberian invasion suffer a minor economy slump as funding for the expedition was taken directly from personal funds of their leaders and to some degree the city itself. The Egyptian economy encounters a large scale revival following trade with much of its neighbors being conducted.

Middle East: Egypt and the Seleucids have a medium grade tension decrease as a new peaceful emperor and the Egyptians reconcile to a certain degree. The Seleucid empire still has minor unrest but it seems to be quieting down. The Parthians and the Bactricians go to war following a minor diplomatic dispute but they are evenly matched and not many gains are made. 

North America:  The Zapotecs form around the Valley and city of Monte Alban as a city-state. A small wall is built around the city and the government focuses on internal development. The Mixtecs also emerge in Tilantonga as a city-state as well and the Government begins to expand its army and gains trade with the Zapotecs. Trade is also asked for with the Mayans and Tenochtitlan.

South America: The Roving Tribes in South America are starting to become a big hazard for the local cities and nations. However, it begins to die off as they retreat into the Amazon

Asia: The Reforms in Qin Chin begin to take place causing some civil unrest to die down. The Japanese Palace continues on schedule while the Koreans not far off continue their development of the military. Tensions between Qin China, Korea and Xiongnu

Random Historical Fact: When King Phillip II of Macedon was shot in the eye with an arrow, on the arrow was a note that said "For King Phillip's Eye."

Yamato Japan: The palace continues to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo. Two harbours around OTL Saga and Kōchi begin to be built. Some boats are also built.

Macedonian Confederacy:

Greek Expansion into Thracia

Macedonian Control following the Battles outside of Byzantium and the Seige of Tylis. Most of their Forces due to their organization have reformed in the Northern half of the country

Following The complete conquest of Appollonia and the Invasion Thracia currently under way 10,000 troops are left in the Newly conquered territory with almost 40,000 troops marched north to deal with Thracia at the defensive line. The Battle is fought to force them back deep into Thracia (algo soon) With Reccomendation from the Spartans, King Phillip manages to field a second army of 20,000 to go around the Thracians and is meant to push deep into their territory and seize it accordingly. The army is upgraded to (2.0) with the upgrading of many weapons into low to medium grade iron weapons. The colony in Africa expands as mainly people with skills that cannot be easily used on the mainland are being applied to the expansion of the city. The Navies ships are continually built in order to expand the navy heavily. The increased trade with multiple nations has allowed for the expansion of immediate benefits and rebuilding for the city of Appollonia and it is given the same rights and responsibilities as one of the other Greek Cities. The transition into an Empire is continued and is expected to be completed in the next eight to ten years. War is declared on Thrace Casus Belli: Unjustly Attacked. Objective: Conquest.. No stability change. The First battle near Byzantium throws the Thracians into complete disarray as the Second army begins the assault of the Thracian Settlement and Capital of Tylis. This battle is also successful and the Thracians are thrown into the northern half of Thracia into Campus Getae (its one of the Tribal cities). Due to their organization and numbers and estimated 22,000 Thracian soldiers are left as the Macedonians military stops at the river erecting defenses to prevent their crossing. The Newly acquired Territories are immediately integrated into the Confederacy and Tylis under its New Governor appointed specifically from King Phillip's most advanced tiers of government immediately frees the city of much of its tribute while it's rebuilt. The city is also rebuilt and grain reserves are released to ensure that the native thracians are not hungry. Many of the tribal settlements are allowed their own systems to remain in place with the exception they must report to the Governer in Tylis. The Thracians under Governer Ephialtes of Thessalonica are allowed to resume much of their lives as normal and their religeous traditions are not violated. Many of the Thracian warlord and leaders are quite impressed with how the Macedonians handled themselves in battle especially with their Spartan and Companion Cavalry. This prompts some of the Thracians to challenge these men in a competition in Wrestling and Riding. This serves to allow Thracian integration into the confederacy much faster. 

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): The Iberian cities of Coimbria and Salduie are captured, Coimbria by Hannibal and Salduie by his brother, Hasdrupal. They each leave 10,000 of their soldiers, who are re-inforced by 2500 Greek Hoplites mercenaries, in each city. The soldiers left as garrison help in rebuilding the cities from the siege, and the Iberian mercenaries from each army share their rations with some of the local populace. As Hannibal's and Hasdrupal's armies march from their recent conquests, their scouts bring back reports of an Iberian army ahead of them. They consider strategies, and settle on setting up a defensive position along the Duero River near Vallidoid. From there, they will send skirmishers to harass the army, and hopefully cause them to come straight towards the Carthaginian armies. In order to combat the recent economic slump from the fighting in Iberia, the major port cities of Carthage begin to adopt a policy where they will only export and import if their exports will bring more gains than their imports will be paid for. This leads to increased exportation to the Macedonian Confederacy, Ptolemaic Egypt, The Kingdom of Pontus, and Aynook Celcia (Aogenic Kingdoms). Trade relations grow between Celtica and Carthage as exportation of Carthaginian goods such as silver, dyes, and some Carthaginian armors. Mining of silver continues in Carthaginian Iberia, as well as increased transport of iron plows and other agricultural equipment. 

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Despite the recent war with Rome and previous conflicts, we wish to open up trade between the Roman Republic and Carthage so that relations may be healed, and prosperity can be jointly achieved by our two civilizations.
  • Egypt: We ask Roman empire that they should let egyptian trading ships to dock in their ports and sell grain to the Romans.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Guards are positioned in the major cities of the northern provinces in Anatolia, to keep them from seceding or getting invaded. The northern border around this area is tightly controlled who gets in and who goes out. We request a military alliance with the kingdom of Pontus.  Ships are built. The port of Alexandria is renovated and expanded to accommodate larger fleet. Ports are built on the Red Sea. A large naval base is built on the island of Cyprus. (navy + 0.25). The Nile - Red Sea canal is expanded to allow larger trade barges and navy ships to pass through easily. Roads are built to link the major cities and Alexandria. The tribesmen from the south are raiding quanint villages near the border. They have raided a small temple in the frontier region of upper Egypt. They stole the temple treasury, defaced the Gods, and kidnapped female priestess as a slave. When word of this reached the pharaoh, he became very angry. We are mobilizing our army for an expedition to the southern lands.

Celtican Tribes: Tribes in southern Gaul, namely the Arvernii and Cadurci, along with many other tribes, begin considering raids on Narbonesis. Weapons from Carthage are received, bolstering the militaries of many tribes, effectively increasing the militaries (+ 0.25) of Celtica as a whole.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request the aid of Celtican supplies (Mainly food) to aid us in our current war against Iberia.

Hispanic Confederation: The Carthagenians have take two of our cities. Almost every men has taken weapons to fight them off. (+ 0.25 military). A big army is created to invaded the undefended Carthago Nova, passing next the Carthagenian army. Marchand goes at Rhode and Emporion to buy weapons. Many raids are made on Carthagenian cities, caravan and mine.

Teutihuacan: Continues training and breeding of Jaguars. Continues breeding faster, stronger llamas. Keep expanding southward, and keep battling the tribes.

  • There are no llamas in southern Mexico. 
  • Actually southern Mexico was part of lama's historical range. They just don't live there now because of hunting and environment destruction.
Suomi Tribedom: War is declared upon the remaining Tavastian tribesmen, with the largest host led by Aalto in
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The Suomi attack on Tavastia

the East one in the West (ALG), but tribes are offered vassalization before confrontation (RNG). With Suomi now in the East Baltic market and agriculture becoming more coming cities began to sprout up across the nation boosting our economy (+ 0.25 to economy). The first batch of war bears are created but aren't as proficient as thought and it is planned that future batches will last longer for training. Continues expanding east and starts a colony on Alan. Bronze becomes more common amongst soldiers.
  • Tavastian Tribesmen Diplomacy (RNG: 4): We will accept vassalization to avoid war and a destruction of eitheir of our peoples, but we wish to be treated as equals, not just a tributary nation.
  • Suomi Dip: Aatu Aalto kills the leader of the most powerful tribe in the are in a fire for not taking the original offer and the rest of the tribes are peacefully integrated. 

Laurel Tribes: Expands territory. Farming and villages expand.


Selucid Empire: We build up our military and continue encouraging national unity without the need for violence within the Empire.  New infrastrucure and roads to connect the country continue to be built. We continue buildup up walls on all of our borders as a precautionary measure.

  • Ptolemaic Egypt: We ask that our trading caravans be allowed access to cross the empire's borders to trade with citizens of major cities.
  • Selucid Diploamcy: We welcome your trading caravans into the Selucid Empire.

Aoengic Ireland: War continues against the Picts, and another 1500 soldiers are sent over to the isles along with more weapons from Carthage. The nalbains are still nervous about the foreign nation, as they have heard rumors of them conquering far off lands that they once traded with. The nalbains begin to centralize more, especially as elders die, neighboring areas begin to come together with six main factions (Ούολουντο-Ullaid, Ol nEchmacht-Connact, Mhuman-Munster, Laighean'-Leinster, Uí Néil'l-Tara/O'Niel). Smaller nalbains remain but still remain part of the Aoengic confederacy of the rulers. La Tene continues to rule. The current leader of the confederacy falls ill, recovery is said to be made. Small cities begin to rise, especially on the coasts as trade continues to develop. Carthage is not told of the the British Isles war or the isles in general.  War against the Picts has increased the army score by 0.25 as the soldiers learn how to use weapons and tactics that go with them.

Dubhshlaine: Further deaths occur during the winters. However, expansion continues as farmland becomes more needed. One small city begins at their original landing point, centered around a worship point to the gods as their saving grace. 

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus continue to provide security at the borders of the kingdom, and for that matter continue building border guard posts (military + 0.25), and these heavily guarded to prevent looting of villages less civilized. Also the king send an ambassador to the south kingdom (not sure the name), asking for alliance and trade pacts.

Korea: The king orders the construction of three warships. The army continues to build flamethrowers and spears. The population reaches 12.5 million.

Brython:War continues with the Picts and we devote our entire military of 15,000 soldiers toward the war effort. Our forces successfully cross the border and enter the Pictish heartland.  The Brython Kingdom continues to centralize power toward the king. This centralizing causes small trading posts to pop up along the coast. Because of the Pictish war our army score upgrades by 0.25 because of new-found knowledge in battle.

Roman Republic: the Consul Marcus Valerius Laevinus Expands the military recruiting soldiers from southern Italy, the navy expands by 0.5 (0.25). Military is built up.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Despite the recent war with Rome and previous conflicts, we wish to open up trade between the Roman Republic and Carthage so that relations may be healed, and prosperity can be jointly achieved by our two civilizations.
  • Ptolemaic Egypt: We ask the Roman empire to allow Egyptian ships do dock in the ports and sell grain.
  • Epirote D: We ask for a trade agreement.

Pontus: We drill the army ceaselessly, although with rest, giving them 100% readiness and conditioning. We continue to build roads and buildings and distribute more crops from the increased revenue. We upgrade the military, economic and government facilities, raising the standards and quality of training and weapons, removing those corrupt officials, over-pricing tax and quota collectors and inept generals and undisciplined soldiers, strengthening the army and the state itself. Mithridates finally starts to break the traditionalist opposition in the aristocracy and he manages to start a charity and health program, with the aim to remove poverty and poorness in Pontus. (+ 0.25 economy)The army is mobilized and sent to their positions, while the King tours Pontus to make the people happy. He also continues the buildup of the navy.

  • Pontic D: We thank Carthage for their increased support and we likewise send more export goods to them. We ask for permission for ambassadors to go their to inspect their navy, buildings and army, for training and knowledge purposes.We also send them some gifts of gold to ask for a naval alliance. We offer Macedon a chance to free their eastern border troops by taking over that part of their border, promising that we won't attack them. We also accept Egypt's proposal and ask them of the possibility of a joint Galatian invasion.
  • Macedonian D: We refuse, we can watch our own borders, and following Thracia's large attack on us, we must be careful.
  • Pontic D: Can we at least send 2500 troops to fight to train them?
  • Ptolemaic Egypt: We might help Pontus with arms and supplies depending on our internal circumstances. We can't send more than 5000 soldiers to the expedition.
  • Macedonian D: We will allow any number up to 10,000 troops to be sent to aid us in Thracia. The number up to 10,000 you wish to send is up to you.
  • Pontic D: So long as you don't invade us while they're gone, OK. We send 10,000 troops to fight alongside you. We send assorted types of troops to practice their combined arms fighting.
  • You and Carthage do not have an alliance, nor can you have one plausibly.. Carthage has no way of helping you. militarily. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:00, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • Good point. iAmVictoriousVVW (talk) 06:08, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • I still don't get how the point system works. Can anyone please tell me if I manage to upgrade my points. Thanks a lot! iAmVictoriousVVW (talk) 10:46, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • You can upgrade either your army, navy or economy by 0.25 once every two turns. To upgrade them, you must provide a specific, plausible explanation, such as adding a specific number of specific type of ships to your navy, recruiting a specific number of a specific type of soldier into your army, etc. And Carthage probably couldn't send a soldier on land to help, but it is possible that the Carthaginian Navy could aid Pontus if they so chose Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 10:52, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • So currently, have I accumulated any points? iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 11:03, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • That is up for you to decide and put in your turns. Mods can only make sure what is put is plausible, not upgrade anyone's points for them. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 11:17, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • tnxiAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 00:48, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Four Germanic Kingdoms: The Kingdom of the Danube allows the Kingdom of the Rhine to be independent, seeing as they are slightly different culturally. However, in doing so, the Rhine is indebted to the Danube, effecting a similar situation than vassalization. Likewise, the Kingdom of the Elbe allows the Kingdom of the Saxons to be free, but, again, they owe the Elbe a debt now. The Rhine begins to vassalize the Helveti of the Swiss Alps. (Mod).  The Danube attempts to vassalize some of the Cisalpine Gauls begin. (Mod) (Note: Not the whole green area, just the area to the east of the Po). The Saxons begin to vassalize the Old Prussians. (Mod) Bronze becomes much more commonplace, with almost all real warriors using bronze to replace their stone tools. A farming application for bronze has been found, allowing for better crop yields. Cultural mixing of the Germanian, Alemanic and Saxon cultures continue, and by 200 BC they will once again be culturally united. Economy improves.

The vassalization of that many tribes that fast isn't plausible. Please take the time to influence all of them.


Mauryan Empire: The military continues to grow. Buddhist temples also continue to be erected, making the public happier then the days of the Jain emperor.  One general gets an idea, using tigers in war. Considering they are already semi-tamed, they begin to breed for qualities, mainly obediance.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop them from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built. Although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare. We sail to Yato Japan and ask for an alliance. The emperor's son is released and the money saved from stopping the major construction projects are spent to study farming and agriculture, as well as building canals, which is done by soldiers, as a form of training, and by professional workers. The first book on agriculture, Sun Nun Lu, is released from the Imperial Government for use by lowly peasants. It included methods of using cast-iron tools, beasts of burden, agricultural methods and irrigation systems.

Qin China D: We ask Korea to not attack Xiongnu and let China handle them. However, to balance the deal, we will support any Korean military venture in Japan.

Yamato Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen accepts Qin China's alliance offer.

Epirus: The Molossian Games are founded to increase Epirote nationalism and unity, and athletes from all Hellenic states are invited. The navy begins to be upgraded.

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The army is upgraded. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec begins.

209 BC

Romae Delenda Est 213BC Thracia seizure





Map: Could Eiplec please re-add the new tribes in the Americas as well as his advances in Iberia? The other map was severely screwing up and I had to revert to this one.




Europe: The Iberian tribes manage to take most of Carthago Nova except the armory and barracks which is still held by the remaining soldiers.

Europe: Thracian nobles in the unconquered Thracia begin to look towards an alliance with the Dacians to protect the rest of their lands.

Europe: The Picts begin to offer peace towards the invading tribesmen, hoping to lose some land in exchange for a continued Pict civilization.

Middle East: Tensions between Ptolemaic Egypt and the Selucids continue to die down with new trade agreements between the two nations.

Middle East: Parthia and Bactricia continue to distrust each other with the war over and begin a large buildup in their militaries.

Asia: The Satavahana Dynasty declares independence from the Mauryan Empire, and allies itself with the Chola Empire to the south of both of their nations.

Asia: Civil unrest continues to die down due to reforms under the Qin Dynasty.

Africa: Outrage over the capture of Carthago Nova leads several noble families to pledge their armies to the war effort, no matter the cost. The Council of Carthage begins to doubt the competence of Hannibal.

North America: The recent city-states of the Zapotec and the Mixtecs start to prosper, due mostly to trade.

South America: Quiet two years.

Note Vassalization from now own will reguire large amounts of influence over the years, or a conflict in which the enemy is conquered. 


Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage)Hannibal's and Hasdrupal's armies return to their conquered cities and resupply themselves before surrounding the Iberian army at Qart Hadasht and they set up for a siege, and prepare for a possible battle beforehand. Mago has sailed with his navy to blockade the city to prevent Iberian escape. The siege continues, with siege equipment being built around the city. Constant patrols of the rear of the combined armies begins. Mago's navy pulls slightly back from the city, but nonetheless blockades it. Ships are sent back to resupply and return in sequences to allow for continuous blockade. The navy of the nobles in Carthage, whose men number 4000 begins preparation to leave and will aid in the siege at Qart Hadasht (I had the cities name wrong...). 

Teutihuacan: Continues training and breeding of Jaguars. Continues breeding faster, stronger llamas. Keep expanding southward.

Yamato Japan: The palace continues being built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo. The navy is improved, and its score is increased by 0.25.

  • Korea Diplomqcy: We offer to help Japan liberate the entire nation.

Scandinavian Tribes:  The Scandinavian tribes which are in the farthest corner of the civilized world, and little knowledge of them is known south of Cimbric Peninsula. However, the different tribes of Scandinavia continue to fight each other for dominance with the Svae, the Nords and the Sitones holding the strongest positions the Svae holding OTL Svaeland, the Sitones in Kvenland and the Nords to the west. The Svae (the Svae are believed to have been of a mix of Germanic and Baltic people and are the ancestors of the modern day Swedes) begin looking to build up their naval strength to gain an upper hand, while the Nords expand throughout western Scandinavia.

Hispanic Confederation: Envoy are send to the Iberic mercenaries in the Carthaginian armies to buy them. (RNG) The armory and the barrack in Carthago Nova are burned and the soldiers are killed. Most of the Carthaginian weapons are destroyed in the process. Emissaries are send to Gaul for help RNG and other are send to the Greek cities in Iberia (RNG). The army in Carthago Nova is making preparation to defend the city and to destroy it if they lose. Some new soldiers come and make a camp outside the Carthaginian line. The Carthaginian ships docked in the ports are used as fireships to destroy the Carthaginian fleet. RNG

  • Envoy  (RNG: 8): The Envoy is killed in response to the Iberian killing of the diplomats.
  • Two non-player Gallic tribes have declined, the response will have to come from the player of Celtica and Belgicans.
  • Fireships (RNG: 6): Only twenty five of the one hundred and fifty ships are destroyed, and those remaining 125 ships pull slightly farther back. No sailors were rescued from those ships.

Celtican Tribes: The Arvernii and Cadurci continue to raid Narbonesis this year. They decline the Iberian requests, stating that they wish to remain on good terms with Carthage. In 208 BC, the Arvernii and Cadurci tribes, along with several others, declare war on several tribes in Narbonesis. 15,000 Gallic warriors enter Narbonesis in force. Objective: Assert Hegemony.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We request supplies (mainly food) for our war against Iberia, and in turn, we shall provide your armies with more weapons and armors.
  • Celtican Diplomacy: Accepted.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus organice a fleet to patrol all the Adriatic Sea, and secure the kingdom.

Macedonian Confederacy: The Confederacy continues its war against Thracia, using the overwhelming force to pin their remaining forces to the borders, while Cavalry move up the Border between Thracia and Dacia preventing any further communication. The Macedonian forces using superior numbers and tactics as well as the greater force of archers from Crete pin the Thracian forces down as the final battles for Thracia are to end with their remaining forces pinned to the Danube River as most of the army crosses upriver away from their army coming back and forcing the engagement. ''The final Thracian army is defeated' Continued meshing of cultures occurs in Macedonian controlled Thracia as games are scheduled every year in Tylis for strength, honor and prestige. The past two years show marked improvement and Thracians winning a few of the events, while their infrastructure is expanded, and their people are actively included in the decisions concerning much of their homeland. The settlements of tribal chiefs, now made governors of their now prospering cities, continually expand and begin to actively participate in the Economic network of the Confederacy. The Greek colony in Africa continuously expands as the new city of New Kydonia reaches a population of 3500. The transformation into Empire continues and the popularity of King Phillip and the new Senate reaches above half for the successful actions in securing. With the winning of the battle in northern Thracia the Nation is completely integrated into the Confederacy and many of the captured soldiers are sent back to their families but under close supervision. The city of Appolonia is further integrated, and with the urging of many of the other Greek cities manages to secure a position of Power on the new Senate which allows for a vote going into greater development and rebuilding of the city following the war. The Widowed wives of many Thracian leaders are married off to officials of the Confederacy, establishing their loyalty quite heavily. The Governor of Tylis is now given control of Campus Getae as well.

Seleucid Empire: We build up our military and continue encouraging national unity without the need for violence within the Empire. New infrastrucure and roads to connect the country continue to be built. We continue buildup up walls on all of our borders as a precautionary measure. We welcome Egyptian traders and their caravans into the Empire, and we offer the Egyptians a Treaty allowing for both nations to use each others ports.

Ptolemaic Egypt: We accept their proposition. We ask that our officers be allowed into pubs of the major Seleucid cities and hire any drunks who wish to be mercenaries for a limited time. Iron weapons are beginning to replace bronze ones, especially popular with the officers. By now, Meroe is in open rebellion against Egypt. The Ptolemaic army is advancing toward the south. The campaign consists of approximately:

  • 12 warships sailing up the Nile.
  • 68 various transport barges.
  • 8000 soldiers phalanx divisions consisting of ethnic Greeks and Egyptians who fight in Greek style.
  • 5000 mixed Hellenistic troops.
  • 800 archers.
  • 3000 Egyptian guerrilla soldiers divisions.
  • 300 Greek elite cavalry.
  • 500 light Berber and Arab cavalry.
  • 200 mixed horse archers.
  • 58 war elephants.
  • 150 chariots.
  • 2000 Selucid Cavalry.
  • 550 mixed mercenaries, part of which are gathered from Seleucid pubs.

The mercenaries serve in the army mainly for payment. Under certain conditions, they are allowed to plunder and keep the booty for themselves. During the end of the war, they go home. The Meroe forces are totaled:

  • 15,000 disorganized tribesmen.
  • 300 cavalry.
  • 600 mixed tribesmen hiding in the woods.

The soldiers of the Ptolemaic army are transported by ship to the cataracts. The other part of the army goes on foot. Upon reaching the cataracts the ships are taken out of the water and transported to smooth water, where they are re-assembled and sail southward.Battle for northern Meroe: The Polemaic ships sail up the Nile. Upon seeing them, the tribesmen flee into the woods. The army disembarks from the boats and attacks the main force of the tribesmen in the woods. Seleucid Diplomacy: We will accept this proposal on the terms that we can do the same in your cities and you swear never to use them against the Selucid Empire. We offer to send 2000 Selucid Cavalry to aid Egypt.

Aoengic Ireland: The Nalblain of Laighean (Lienster) wishes to receive in marriage one of the daughters of Brython (resulting in a Dynastic - but split - union between Brython and Laighean, ensures further alliance).  La tene continues to make a rise in culture. Language begins to develop further as contact continues between the Brython. Small inscriptions on stone depict the civil war and the war on the Picts as does oral history. Tries to begin creating their own version of Carthaginian weapons, but they are clearly not as good, being made of simple metals and stone. Religious sites and homes of elders begin to turn into small towns and villages, along with portish towns. War on the Picts continues some captive Picts are conscripted to fight with promises of grain and food, although the Aoengic Ireland (the confederacy) offers the Picts terms of vassalization, which includes but not limited to military service, tribute, free marriage of Pictish women, and no slavery Vassalization must be accepted in order for the war to halt.. The Division of the Picts will be based on their tribes before and will consist of 
British Isles Subdivisions Labled 209BC (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)

Picts and Aoengic with Subdivisions

  •  Cait Chiefdoms (northern )
  • Cruthian Kingdoms (West and Central l Confederacy of kingdoms and chiefdoms, all kin)
  • Fortriu Chiefdom (Southern)
  • Minor Pictish tribes outside of kingdoms will remain.

Upon our return with the Picts completed suing for peace (end 210 BC). We make a secret pact to remove the tribes to the south of Brython. We sail troops back to Laighean and land on the OTL Isle of Mann. Thinking the Manx are British we unleash a full on attack with our 5000 armed men from the caravan of boats onto the island of 25,000. 

  • Brython Diplomacy: We agree to the Dynastic but split union and agree to the Aeongic terms of vassalization for the Brython/Aeongic-Pictish war to end.
  • Pictish Diplomacy (Mod: Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 01:36, August 9, 2013 (UTC)): In order to prevent further destruction of our peoples from this war, which it is now assured that we will lose, we will submit to the demands of the Aoengic Ireland and become vassals for their nation.
  • Ulliad (Aoengic Kingdom-NW) Diplomacy: Marries the daughter of the Qritani' a large Cruthian Kingdom in the West and puts them into a future union. 

Dubhshlaine: Finally begins to stabilize as a unit. The elder Vercintroix continues to gain trust of the community as they find usable land as they continue expansion. They begin to adapt to the harsh winters, but death continue in the old and sick. 

Pontus: The tour and programs go superbly well and the army is now drilling, parading and doing wargames through the benefit of the new, bright students of the new military schools to increase discipline and command. The navy is being practiced in naval wargames and we withdraw the 10,000 troops from Macedon, since the war is over. They are now being refitted and readied for an invasion of Galatia, only some of the hardened Galatian troops are involved due to their possibility of defection. The cities are finally nearing completion of the creation of their walls, and Mithridates uses the large funds from the treasury to secretly bribe Galatian governors, hire mercenaries and stockpile weapons. Meanwhile, the roads and food supply are being strengthened to increase supply and Mithridates gives a speech about being a "Defender of Hellenism".

  • Pontic D: We ask the Egyptians to ready their 5000 troops by 207 B.C. as they would attack from the south while the Pontic army attacks from the north.
  • Macedonian D: We can send 8000 troops to support if we get part of Western Galia.
  • Pontic D: I'll first see if Egypt wants to. If he doesn't, I'll consider the proposal.
  • Egypt D: We will prepare for the campaign with 5000 troops. Unfortunately, we cannot send more troops since the bulk of our forces are currently pre-occupied in the invasion of Meroe.
  • Pontic D: It's all right, we'll take care of the bulk of the invasion.
  • Macedonian D: The 8000 troops for Western Galia is still open Pontus.
  • Pontus D: So how about this, Macedon takes that bulging western area, Egypt takes the small southern provinces while I take the North and Eastern to give me a complete land border with Armenia and a land border with the Seleucids.

Brython Kingdom:With the vassilization of the Pictish tribes and the wedding of Aeongic and Brython nobles  we have a massive Celtic Celebration across the Brython Kingdom. The people begin to settle down and establish more port cities and already existing port cities continue to sprawl. One city in particular, Cardiff, grows so large that it is declared the Brython capital. We reach out to trade with Carthrage and other kingdoms near Brython (OTL France, Belgium and the Netherlands.)

Four Germanic Kingdoms: The culutral mixing between the Saxon, Germanian, and Alemanni tribes continue, and is almost finished. The Rhine continue vassalization of the Heleveti. The Old Prussians also continue to be vassalized. Bronze becomes much more commonplace, with almost all real warriors using bronze to replace their stone tools. A farming application for bronze has been found, allowing for better crop yields. A project to breed the greatest dog in history begins. Ideally, it will be as tall as a Great Dane, as stout as a mastiff, and as vicious in combat as a wild wolf.

Korea: We agree to Qin China's request and stand down. The army upgrades by 0.25 after a new ballista is built that can fire three darts before reloading. The king orders the construction of a defensive wall between Korea and Xiongnu. It will have guard towers every mile and be built of stone.

  • Korea Diplomacy: We ask Qin China to buy stone.

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec continues.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: With the newly recruited swordsmen, horsemen and archers we attack the southern tribes. They have no time to group and so they get beaten tribe by tribe. I don't need an algo for this, right? Beause there wasn't a real battle. Every tribe gets a couple of observer/ peacekeeper until the peace returns. The army is upgraded to 1.25 because we now have a standing army.

207 BC

This turn is posted early due to the fact that I will not be on when turns usually begin, and I haven't seen any other moderators on the wiki yet so far today, so posting on the previous turn is allowed for another hour and a half after this turn is posted. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 15:55, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Romae Delenda Est 207BC

Europe: The siege of Carthago Nova continues between Carthage and the Iberian tribes as the ships of the Carthaginian Nobles sail towards the city.

Europe: Dacia, with the warmongering Macedonian Confederacy on their borders, turns to an alliance with Scythia, but is denied an alliance with the Ruthernians. 

Europe: As the remaining, unvassalized Picts are confined to the far north of the British Isles, their chief vows  revenge, though his means of taking it is unknown, if such a way exists at all.

Middle-East: Tensions between Parthia and Bactricia rage on, with both asking for an alliance with the Seleucid's to gain an advantage against the other in another very possible war.

Middle-East: Raids by the Georgian tribes leads to outrage from the Armenian Kingdom, but no military response other than fortifying their borders.

Africa: The Carthaginian nobles sail to Carthago Nova to aid in the siege of the city.

Africa: The Berber tribes of the Sahara begin to ally with one another into a small tribal confederation, but not enough to control all of the Berber tribes as many still remain on their own.

Asia: Xiongnu begin to train their military in response to scouting reports of Qin Chinese and Korean invasion proposals (They did not hear of Korea's acceptance to back down).

Asia: The Satavaharva Dynasty remains independent, but does not declare war or invade the Mauryan Empire. Instead, they cosolidate their forces and strengthen their alliance with the Cholas.

North America: Recent expansion by both the Mayans and Teutchitilucan lead to some famines in new territories as well as civil unrest from these areas, but their home territories remain unfased.

South America: The Amazonian Hunter-Gatherers arise into a small tribal nation along the Amazon river.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage)The city of Carthago Nova is successfully taken back, with the Carthaginian noble forces arriving after the siege is finished in the dock of the city. All captured Iberian generals and captains are crucified and left outside the walls. The remaining captured Iberian soldiers, numbering 600, are forced to march with the Carthaginian army which stays to resupply and begin to rebuild Carthago Nova. The Iberians are told that they shall be returned back to their tribesmen once the war is over. The Carthaginian Senate is delighted to hear of the battle success, end the sacrifice of children to commemorate Hannibal's and Hasdrupal's success in battle. The Carthaginian generals and captains gain a great deal of experience from their continued campaign against the Iberian tribes, adopting better tactics for engaging less professional armies, and our army score is upgraded by 0.25. Mago's navy sails back to Ziz in Sicily to resupply and stay for the time being as the Carthaginian men serving in the navy grow restless from the constant blockade. Before the siege for Cathago Nova began, Hannibal gave a speech, but it was never recorded. Supplies are sent by the Carthaginian Senate to aid the Roman armies, which deeply angers Hannibal who retreats to the palace in Carthago Nova for two days without leaving and only allows Hasdrupal in for those two days. Hannibal's son, Hamilicar Barca II, arrives at Carthago Nova where he begins tutelege under his father as Hannibal did his. 

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: The Iberians are sent an envoy from Hannibal himself in which he calls for peace, declaring the Iberian army at Carthago Nova destroyed. The Envoy gives a list of demands to the Iberian leader which are as following:
    • The cities and surrounding land of the two Carthaginian sieges of Iberian land will become part of Carthaginian Iberia.
    • Prisoners from both sides will be returned free of harm.
    • Should these terms not be accepted, Carthage shall siege and take every Iberian city until every general, captain, and chief is crucified.


Byzantine Empire: Following eight years of trust, comraderie and success King Phillip declares the transformation of the Confederacy into an Empire complete. The Associate Greek Cities, Macedon and now Thracia with its few new senators in the Senate agree that Phillip will be the king of this new empire and just as before will be limited to some degree by the Senate to prevent harmful or dicatatorial control over the empire. Phillip agrees and knows he must ration his support in Greece and now Thracia as it will most likely be finite for years to come. However, instead of instilling Macedonian dominance across all of the new Empire, Phillip allows for a mixing of the cultures to continues just as Alexander the Great wouldve liked. King Phillip also declares that while cities may maintain their militias and their own Garrisons for protective purposes the army will be made up of Professionals who are paid, and will be rewarded with citizenship if they don't already have it, This force is to equal current numbers and is to remove an over reliance on Mercenaries. With the Capital of this new empire in Byzantium many construction projects are carried out including a massive defensive project aimed at increasing the defenses of the city into a multi layered and multi tiered grouping of fortifications. The project it to be undertaken on the Anatolian side first with the European side to be done at a later date due to the cities more protected European side. The trade going between Carthage and Pontus and due to the taxes and payments of going through the straits. significantly boosts the income and markets of the city Increasing the (Economy to 1.75) The Thracian territories are continually integrated and the use of Greeks as part of the occupation such as Spartans and Thessalians as well as the mild manner in which the people are treated, the many normal people of the new provinces of North and South Thracia are beginning to get a better outlook on the Byzantine empire, and its Greek and Macedonian founders. The men that were previously of the Thracian army that respected they way the Macedonians and Greeks fought begin to sign up for the local Thracian garrison in Tylis and are under the Training and Tutelage of Spartans, getting a deep respect and education in the new Greek culture, as well as top grade military training. The Greek colony in Northern Africa expands as Thracians are encouraged to help bolster the numbers and help mesh the cultures of the three societies in a small way in the colony. The population has expanded to almost 5000. The population now including Thracia reaches just above five million. 

  • Ptolemaic Egypt: In response to the rude Macedonian delegation, we will cancel the trade agreement and non-aggression pact. We also triple the number of guards in Anatolian provinces in case of an invasion.
  • Mod Decisions and the nation I play as do not correlate. Just because you're angry about the fact a MOD did his job and moderated your turn, doesn't mean it's my nation's diplomacy. Byzantium has done nothing to you so this doesn't even make sense. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:48, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Roman Republic: the Consul decide that it is time, a war declaration occurs to the Cisalpine Gauls, and in an unexpected event we ask the Carthaginians to aid the Roman armies, in exchange Rome would aid in any future war the Carthaginians may start. 25,000 soldiers are drafted to the war in a miraculous event, 10,000 are veterans of the war against the Carthaginian Republic, and the rests are recruits or mercenaries from the Roman nearby vicinity. from Southern Italy, Corsica and Sicily.

  • Ptolemaic Egypt: We ask that our trading ships be allowed to dock in Roman ports and sell grain.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: The Council of A Hundred and Four has voted to send you supplies, including food, weapons, and armors.

Just a question, what does this statement mean? (Needs Casus Belli this turn or else lots of stability shall be lost).     I do not understand. VX (talk)

All wars require a casus belli (what caused it) and an objective. Please see the war rules page and it tells you what to do. It will be under related pages--#LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 20:21, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Casus Belli  Unjustly attacked (-5)  Objective Conquest We wish to forcefully annex this smaller state (+4) Now what?  VX-641 (talk) 20:53, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Rome's casus belli would be Revenge, as the Cisalpine Gauls sacked Rome a century prior to this. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 17:07, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ptolemaic Egypt:

As of right now there is no algo that you have done, and you are consistantly going against a MOD DECISION that your turn will be implausible in that fact. if you attempt to remove it again you will be banned for two days. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:32, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

By now most of central and lower Meroe is overnrun by Ptolemaic and allied forces. Most of the countryside is under control although a few pockets of resistance still remain. Napata is occupied. A great quantity of gold and other metals is found; these are used to replenish the treasury. Meroe is heavily influenced by the Ptolemies. The local people are not harmed, aside from rebels. Cities and villages are rebuilt due to the war damages. The Egyptian agricultural system is introduced. It is predicted that in two years Meroe is to be assimilated as a province of Egypt proper. The mercenaries and Seleucids cavalry are payed a modest sum and they are allowed to return home. We send a caravan with gifts for the emperor, thanking him for helping us. A canal bypassing the cataracts is beginning to be built. The project is abandoned for now due to lack of funds. Petra and the Arabian tribes begining to be moderately influenced. Loyal Nubain nobles are appointed civilian governors of new provinces. Greco-Egyptians are military governors. Army is upgraded because iron weapons are used more frequently. (army + 0.25) 

YOU HAVE NOT DONE AN ALGO, WHAT YOU HAVE SAID DOES NOT HAPPEN. BECAUSE YOU NEVER DID AN ALGO, NO ALGO, NO MEROE - PERIOD! #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 05:53, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Mauryan empire: The revolts are tried to be repressed peacefully, offering a change in policy to there liking. In reality, the military is ready to invade if this fails. The tiger program continues, and with the first young, some desirable traits are seen, but they need vastly improved

Yamato Japan: The palace continues to be built around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo. Emperor Kōgen accepts Korea's offer to help liberate the rest of Japan.

Celtican Tribes: The wars against Narbonesis continue as the situation in the Volcae region is settled. A second wave from Averni, composed of roughly 20,000 soldiers, separate from the warriors that attacked Volcae, attack the Allobroges and Vocontii. Should this attack succeed, central Narbonesis will be surrounded on all sides. The Carthaginian weapons are put to good use against the Narbonesians. Meanwhile, Venetti ships, notable for being large and sturdy, arrive to put pressure on the coasts. Roughly 1000 warriors arrive in Volcae while an additional 1500 land along the Narbonesian coast.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus organice a fleet to patrol all the Adriatic Sea, and secure the kingdom. Also improve the military (army 0.25)

Four Germanic Kingdoms: The culutral mixing between the Saxon, Germanian, and Alemanni tribes continue, and is almost finished. It is going faster than ever expected. The Rhine continue vassalization of the Heleveti. The Old Prussians also continue to be vassalized. Bronze becomes much more commonplace, with almost all real warriors using bronze to replace their stone tools. A farming application for bronze has been found, allowing for better crop yields. The dog breeding project continues. Army improves.

Scythia: We ask for an alliance with the Byzantine Empire and Carthage. Our nation begins to centralize as locals are called out by scouts within our official borders, new settlements towns and settlements are being built in order to do so. Explorers are sent to the north where they have created small settlements near our border. Most of which just have small huts, along with blacksmiths, iron works, farms, and an armory. The OTL Russian provinces of Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, and Saratov have been partially (Southern Parts) colonized and claimed as part of Scythia and the OTL Belarusian Province of Gomel has also been partially colonized. Shipyards have been setup along the coastline creating both civilian and military vessels. Our infrastructure improves as roads are being created, allowing easier travel across Scythia. An explorer is sent to the Bosphurus Tribes in order to talk with tribe leaders for future peace between our kingdoms. (RNG). Because the Bosphorus Tribes have killed our explorer, our nation calls out for blood to avenge our brave wanderer. A declaration of war was soon made (Casus Bell: Political Blunder -1; Objective: Conquest +4; Stability loss of 3). About 6000 troops have been called out to capture the OTL Provinces of Crimea (algorithm to be made), and the Bosphorus Tribes in the OTL Caucasus Region (algorithm to be made). After their capture, we will include them into our kingdom to expand our borders and sovereignty. Our kingdom’s population remains at officially at 1,200,000 with about 50,000 in our military, who are bloodthirsty and ready to fight to death and country. Our army score is upgraded to 1.25.

  • Bosphorus Tribes (RNG: 10): The diplomat's head is sent back tied to his horse's saddle. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 05:30, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Byzantine Dip: We agree. We also ask that the offenses the Bosphorus tribes have committed, be overlooked  until we make our move. We have plans that will benefit you heavily economical.

Seriously... That's not the correct Casus Belli. g greg e (talk) 06:31, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

The reason your Casus Belli and objective were changed were that you don't go from a basic tribe and Political Blunder to annexation. Some sort of diplomatic relationship had to exist for it to be considered annexation. Hence, you're seen as a conquering army and it's not annexation. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 06:59, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

While I was in the live chat last night Eip said that my Casus Belli can stay while I was privately messaging him. However, I'll wait for him to come back to confirm that my Casus Belli would be unjustly attacked. User:Edboy452 Flag of Romania Flag of German Reich (1935–1945) Flag of Israel Flag of the Soviet Union (talk) 15:33, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Your casus belli is political blunder, Ed, that's final. You were not attacked or invaded and killing a diplomat doesn't count as unjustly attacked. If that's the case ripped stability wouldn't be down when he went to war with Iberia. Your casus belli is final. --#LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Aoengic Kingdoms: Complete Vassalization of the Manx tribes. As pre-described, troops are trained and mobilized for an attack on the Breton tribes at the Brythonic's world. Manx agriculture is prepared to supply, and Pict supplies and soldiers are rounded up in preparation. Trade continues with Carthage. Continues to try to make own weapons similar to those of Carthage, while improving, still are not nearly as great. Tin, bronze and copper begin to be more regularly mined.  Ulliad expands its union with the western Cruthian kingdoms of the Picts. La Tene continues to rise, inscriptions and stories are begining to be carved into stone, but primarily oral history is still the MO. 

Dubshlaine: Continues to stabilize as a community, continues to adapt to the cold temperatures. Small expansion westward continues. Old and sick still fall dead in the winter, but even more are adapting.  Fascination with the sea takes place in one of Vercintorix's sons. Vercintorix falls ill again, but appears to make another recovery in the late winter. 

Kingdom of The Low Lands: The Southern tribes are OK with the new situation and vassalization. The military is indexed and now counts 5600 undisciplined tribesman, 700 trained swordsmen, 300 trained horsemen and 500 trained archers. New roads are being build and a campaign in the kingdom for national unity is being enacted.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built, although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. A secret force of 3000 cavalry force attacks the Xiongnu tribe with their goal is to burn as much sheeps, Xiongnu tents and grass as possible to stop Xiongnu from getting enough power to improve their army to attack China. The military advisers begins studying the use of infantry in cavalry warfare and discover they must be used like the OTL dragoon, cavalry that can dismount and defend barracks from cavalry. We sail back to Fuzhou and resupply. The emperor's son is released and the money saved from stopping the major construction projects are spent to study farming and agriculture, as well as building canals, which is done by soldiers, as a form of training, and by professional workers. The first major iron mill is built in Shanxxi(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron#Cast_iron, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_iron#History). Our army reaches 100,000 professional with

  • 20,000 expert swordman
  • 15,000 sharpshooters with arrows
  • 10,000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 30,000 dagger-axe man
  • 5000 tribal cavalry
  • 10,000 cavalry
  • 10,000 Halbred wielders

We buy stone from Korea and we use it to make a monument to celebrate the friendship of China and Korea.

Brython: With an established capital, sprawling port cities and decent trade we decide to declare war on the Bretons in order to unify the Island once and for all. We mobilize ten thousand troops and hire 5000 Pictish conscripts and invade the Brython-Breton border. Vassalization of the Pictish tribes and trade continues.

Pontus: Mithridates gives a last speech to his people, saying that as a descendant of Megas Alexandros and Cyrus the Great, they have the duty to invade and integrate other countries, but saying that the people must treat the Galatians with equality and respect, because they are "lions led by sheep." In private, Mithridates wants to assert hegemony on whatever is left of Asia Minor that's not under the other Hellenistic powers. He commences the Galatian invasion. The artillery stationed at the mountains inside and at the border of Galatia open fire, smashing supply routes, breaking up large formations, and breaking down walls. The Galatian chiefs that Mithridates bribed (algo, please) opened the doors to the Pontic army and surrendered their garrisons to them. The garrisons joined the Pontic army after promises that they would be treated with respect, that their families would be safe, and that they would have the same weapons and training as the Pontic Galatian soldiers, except that some would be turned to heavy infantry. The mercenaries that Mithridates hired, mostly Armenian cataphracts, deserters acting as heavy swordsmen, and heavy infantry join the invasion. He also sends 16,000 of the Pontic army to join:

  • 1500 Argyraspides
  • 1500 Chalkaspides
  • 500 Cyrtian slingers
  • 1500 Galatian light infantry
  • 1300 sparabara
  • 1200 archers
  • 1000 javelinmen
  • 4000 adamantoi
  • 500 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
  • 500 Sarmartian Cavalry
  • 1000 Pontic Cavalry
  • 500 horse archers
  • 500 mounted javelinmen
  • 500 Thessalian Cavalry
  • 90 Lithoballista
  • 3000 Armenian heavy infantry, theuros-phalanx style
  • 800 Armenian heavy swordsmen deserters
  • 1200 Armenian cataphracts
  • 1500 Galatian heavy infantry (bribed)
  • 500 Galatian heavy cavalry (bribed)
  • 500 Galatian light infantry (bribed)

The main army were to bypass stronghold and get to the capital, leaving only small forces to guard fortresses. As the artillery smashed the supply lines, the cities started to surrender after the guards offered food if they surrendered. The people were treated kindly. The main Pontic army converged on the capital, where the King was drawn out due to smashed supply lines, and due to his slight numerical supreriority. The Pontic army formed up. The missile troops were at the back and front of the main army. The light infantry and sparabara were positioned at the wings of the center, lengthening the Pontic line. The cavalry at the flanks, except for the mounted missile troops, with the cataphracts at the right flank. The artillery were at the mountains around the capital. The adamantoi were stationed behind the light infantry, while the rest of the heavy infantry were at the center. The battle began when the horse archers and horse javelinmen cantered forward and started shooting at the army, mostly at the flanks, intending to lure the cavalry. When they charged due to the mass of comrades dying around them, the horse archers retreated and fired at the enemy infantry. As the enemy cavalry charged full speed, its light cavalry faster than the others, they were met by the Pontic heavy cavalry, which routed them. The Cappadocians smashed into the Galatian heavy cavalry, beating them due to the Cappadocians being more heavily armored. The same happens at both flanks, only that the cataphracts charged into the enemy missile troops, ignoring the archers that bounced off their armor and sent the missile troops to flight. Both cavalry then started to go for the backs of the center. As the horse archers kept up the firing on the center, the artillery and foot archers and javelinmen opened fire on the center, the artillery doing great damage due to them packed together. When the enemy center charged, it was hampered by the uneven, churned ground. It allowed the missile troops to hide and escape behind the infantry and continued to fire from there, and they stopped when both centers clashed. When the center, now disorganized, charged into our center, our longer lines allowed the light infantry and flexible adamantoi to turn inside, squeezing the enemy center. A timely cavalry charge to their backs finally destroyed and routed them, the cavalry chasing down the routers and CAPTURING, not killing them, as Mithridates wants the Galatians to love him, and it will start with them seeing their husbands alive. The Pontic army enters the now defensless capital of Galatia. The Galatian king is killed, either during the battle or during occupation. After that the remaining Galatian territories were captured due to promises, kindness, and smashed supply lines. This war was led by a fresh young talent from the reformed military, one Alexander Nikephon. Mithridates immediately orders the re-construction of buildings, roads, everything that the Pontic army destroyed. He also keeps the mercenaries, offering them regular pay and a regular enrollment into the Pontic army, which they accpet dur to the high pay. Mithridates also begins a program called "Reconciliation, Submission, Integration", which I will explain next time since I don't have an algo for this war yet. We also upgrade the navy, entirely replacing the ships with those that I said a few turns ago (+ 0.25 navy)

  • Pontic D: We send a renewal of our alliance to the Macedonians/Byzantines, engraved on a large, bronze shield.
  • Your two nations share zero borders and have zero trade.. you don't know they exist. Also, please post the algo or you do not control anything. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 02:54, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
  • Who computes and does the numbers for the algo anyway? iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 03:24, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
  • You do your own algo and the Mods check it for errors and plausibility as well as fixing and ridiculous results. So, if you have one please do it. As a player, I would love Galatia - especially for my support. LOL. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 03:29, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
  • Tnx a lot! iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 03:33, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
  • Byzantine D: We accept your renewed alliance but also request you do not sever trade as we are increasing some of the passage taxes through Byzantium.

205 BC

Europe: The Bosphorus tribes have fallen but Scythia's new borders on the sea leaves them wondering if they will ever be able to exploit the area as a greater power could. Continued resistance occurs there as well with many hit and run raids. The Germanic tribes in Germany proper continue development as they have managed to centralize to some degree working along the way to becoming a kingdom. The Iberians and Carthaginians still remain at high tensions as they are forced to hold back and count their losses on both sides. 

Africa: The Carthaginian's powerful families begin to rethink the conquest of Iberia as they see the massive losses incurred by an enemy that knew exactly how to hit them, and cause long term damage to the economy of the area. The Greek colony has continued expansion.

Middle East: Meroe has successfully fought off the Egyptians for now. Many begin to question Egypt's ability to survive in this kind of world with ever more powerful nations growing around it. The Seleucid's tensions begin to die down a bit more except near the border with India.

Asia: The Chinese continue improvement in the civil qualities but many question the need for such a strong military as the nation does not war outside its borders very often and it remains unrecommended by the Qin Generals. Yamato Japan continues its large scale influence over rest of Japan. Korea has suffered a minor famine

North America: The Tribes continue much of their pre-civilized state and not much progress has been made. However, inklings of a civilization begin to pop up around Black Hills.

South America/Central America: The Mayan city states have managed to secure large scale farmland at the expense of many smaller and less organized tribes. The Amazonian tribes continue to establish themselves.


What about the Carthaginian demands to the Iberieans, and North, Central and South American events?

The Carthaginian demands are not to be mod controlled as they have a player #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:10, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Selucid Empire: We withdraw our troops from the Egyptians control and we begin returning to domestic affairs focusing on making the Asian portion of the empire more willing to be Selucid. We build our walls along the borders and we build up our military.

Yamato Japan: The palace finishes construction around OTL Toyooka, Hyōgo, and is named the Kasayamakō Palace. Kasayamakō Palace is made the first and official capital of Yamato Japan.

Scandinavian tribes: The Scandinavian tribes continue to harass one another, without any real possibilities of unification, and the Svae and Nords remaining on top, some tribes begin wandering farther north into the Scandinavian peninsula, trade with the continent begins to pick up with some tribes.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus organize a fleet to patrol all the Adriatic Sea, and secure the kingdom. Also improve the military.

Byzantine Empire: King/Emperor Phillip appoints one of Sparta's leading generals, the general who led the invasion of Thracia, and a Rhodesian and Athenian Admirals respectively to his War council as well as some of other minor advisors. This council wars not to get directly involved in any more wars and Phillip reluctantly agrees even after seeing his success. The Thracian provinces are continually integrated and their cultures meshed due to semi similarity to Greek culture and hence a gateway to Hellenistic Culture. The navy is continually built up as Rebel and rogue ships have been spotted raiding just south of Byzantium a major trade route, this is done to counteract them. The army is continually upgraded and many of the Men who were in fact slaves sent to fight on behalf of a master are freed due to the new "Soldiering Citizenship" laws, which allow any man joining into the professional army be free of slavery. The defences of Byzantium are continually upgraded and built up as the first two levels of a scheduled five layers defence is to be completed. Even the ports are to be upgraded with defences such as the possibility of a large chain being strung across the two halves of the city to prevent any would-be attackers from moving through that way to attack. The city of Halicarnassus with Byzantine trade, being highly predominant there, begins to be influenced. The Empire continues its attempts at modernizing and upgrading many of its new territories with Appolonia being fully rebuilt and then some to make up for the war, as well as Campus Getae, now just Getae being made into a full city of Thracia. The city of Getae is small only about 10,000 people following the war, but many people seeing the benefits of working in this area move here including Thracians, Greeks and Macedonians. 


Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Due to the failure of an Iberian response to our demands, Hannibal's and Hasdrupals armies merge to create one, which moves to siege the Iberian settlement of Valladolid with 51,000 soldiers under both of their commands, and 5000 soldiers left to defend Carthago Nova. Hannibal and Hasdrupal march to the city of Vallisolid as they had planned before. They bring along catapults and have their army wait outside the settlement under the cover of the forest. As night comes, all the catapults fire upon the city, and volunteer soldiers do not have to charge forward to chop part of the palisade wall down as two catapults hit lucky shots that bring down a section of the wooden wall. Baeleric Slingers and Skirmishers move to engage the Iberian forces that have gathered at the breech. They provide a continuous stream of missiles against them to give cover to the Libyan Spearmen and Iberian Swordsmen who charge upon the Iberian line. Success is made quickly and the breach is taken. Hasdrupal leads his Cavalry group which are successful in flanking a wall of Iberian soldiers that had moved to slow the Carthaginian army. In all, minimum casualties have been taken, and the flag of Carthage rises as the siege ends. Work is completed in repairing the wall, and occupation of the city begins, with the army so large that some soldiers are forced to camp outside its walls. Hannibal sends his envoy with the same demands to the Iberian tribes, with no changes even though he occupies another city.

  • Byzantine D: We ask for an expanded trade deal for out ships to be allowed further reach and trade oppotunity as well as for more readily available Byzantine goods in Carthaginian territories.</span>
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: We accept the increase in trade and direct the merchant ships toward the recently reconqeured Carthago Nova, citing plundered goods, silver and purple dyes.

Ptolemaic Egypt: The temple in Jerusalem is built to appease local Jews. Napata and other cities damaged during the war are repaired. Roads are built to connect the new provinces with the rest of Egypt. The canal bypassing cataracts is almost complete by now. Gold mines are opened and they greatly contribute to Egypt's wealth. Also trading exotic animals from Africa becomes more lucrative. Live war elephants are captured near the border and taken to Akexandria to be traded. The cities of the Anatolian provinces are fortified. Each port has giant mirrors and catapults that can bombard any ship who comes close enough to the port. The borders and ports of this region are especially tightly controlled. We monitor the traffic that goes in and out. Timber forts are built in upper Meroe.

You still have not don't the algorithm ... as it stands you can't just say you conquered the area without it. You would also need at least two of them before you completely captured the area. Meroe is still independent and because of your action the mod events clearly state you were thrown out in good order. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 12:58, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Korea: Food is rationed, and the king orders stockpiled food to be distributed among the kingdom. Aid is requested from Japan and Qin China.

  • Yamato Japan Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen sends food and supplies to help Korea.

Australian tribes: begin to improves technology. Begin to expand.

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. Army is upgraded. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec continues.

Four Germanic Kingdoms: The cultral mixing between the Saxon, Germanian and Alemanni tribes continue, and is almost finished. It is going faster than ever expected. The Rhine continue vassalization of the Heleveti. The Old Prussians also continue to be vassalized. Bronze becomes much more commonplace, with almost all real warriors using bronze to replace their stone tools. A farming application for bronze has been found, allowing for better crop yields. The dog breeding project continues. Since cultural unification isn't far away, talks of uniting begin to gain some traction.

Celtican Tribes: The invasion of Narbonesis continues to go well. With the fall of Vienna, the Allobroges tribe withers over the course of the next few years. Warriors that had sacked Venice, along with an additional 10,000 warriors of Celtican origin, begin a seige on Massilia. Veneti warships bolster the invasion force as 2000 additional men, roughly 30,000 warriors in total, swarm the Salluvi region. Displaced Allogroges and Vocontii troops fall back to the Salluvi region to make a final stand at Massilia.

Pontus: The process of "Reconciliation, Submission, Integration" is making great progress. Galatia is being re-constructed that it's almost becoming like Pontus. Due to prestige and speeches, Pontic and Galatian people are equals and Galatian people are migrating to Pontus and vice versa. This mixes the cultures of the two peoples and prevents revolt. As Galatia is being beautified and standardized, the economy booms with the population, income, and economic growth, as well as increasing the revenue. On the army front, parades by Galatian troops have helped make the Galatians believe that they will really be treated as equals, same rights, same respect, same possibilities, that Pontus can protect them, and that their families can be fed and not be treated as slaves. After this, Mithridates launches a large recruitment drive, not conscription, by touring Galatia and showing off the Pontic Galatian army in all its might, and allowing Galatian troops to talk to possible recruits about the pay, privileges, etc. of joining the army. This proves to be successful and the army soon fields 35,000 infantry and 13,000 cavalry, combining the recruits with the former mercenaries and deserters. (+ 0.25 army)

  • 3000 Argyraspides, armed in the old way of Alexander the Great's phalanx, making it a bit more flexible and armored.
  • 3000 Chalkaspides, armed normally but much more disciplined, hardened and capable of retreating orderly, break harder, perform a double phalanx to prevent rear attacks, and not panic even though the flanks are pushed back, owing to the double phalanx.
  • 1500 Cyrtian slingers
  • 3000 Galatian light infantry, armed with the Celtic Theuros, Mail and short spear. Flexible and can do phalanx.
  • 2500 sparabara, a light infantry, imitated from the old Persian sparabars, but armed in light, metal shields, short spears and long swords. They can do a testudo but they are not too disciplined to maintain one. They also have a long sword if they are in a loose formation.
  • 2300 archers
  • 2200 javelinmen
  • 12,000 adamantoi
  • 2000 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
  • 1500 Steppe Cavalry
  • 2000 Pontic Cavalry
  • 2000 horse archers
  • 2000 mounted javelinmen
  • 2000 Thessalian Cavalry
  • 150 ships
  • 100 Lithoballista
  • 3000 Armenian heavy infantry, theuros-phalanx style
  • 1000 Armenian heavy swordsmen
  • 1500 Armenian cataphracts
  • 1500 Galatian heavy infantry, armored and disciplined warbands.
  • 1200 Galatian heavy cavalry, former nobles
  • 1300 Galatian skirmishers
  • 1000 Galatian light cavalry, sons of former Thessalians and Athenian cavalry that joined them 50 years ago,


Kingdom of The Low Lands: The military improves and the roads are ready and are used for trade and messaging. (economy + 0.25)

203 BC

Europe: Rome Has secured new territory to the great jubilation of its populace. Carthage's rampage against the Iberians forces them to accept the diplomacy. However, the city most recently seized is demanded back before the populace revolts and causes further issues between the Iberians and Carthaginians. Scythia seizes OTL Crimea and surrounding areas. However, mounting aggression of the populace and the relative spread of Scythian population across their territory is causing logistical issues. The Byzantine Empire, and the Roman Republic suffer sporadic raids by a group of Pirate/Independent ships intent of getting their monies worth out of the area before moving elsewhere in the Mediterrenean. The Saxons begin to suffer a Famine which is being blamed squarely on their masters. However, the other tribes seem to be having a surplus of food which leads many to think that they are inept rather than exploited 
Romae Delenda Est 203BC

Africa: The Nobles of Carthage once again demand an ending to the war, as too much attention has been granted to this, and Hannibal is being called called back to the Carthaginian council to discuss his situation. The Greek colony has stopped expanding for the past years due to consolidation. 

Middle East: The Native populations in the deserts near Seleucia rise up in a violent rioting fashion due to a drought. While this usually is not a governence issue, many believe it's the lack of the God's will that the drought has happened. Galatia has fallen, However, Egyptian troops were not provided and only a minimal amount of supplies were sent leading to the agreement between the Byzantines and the Pontic kingdoms to be expanded to split Galatia in two. The people of Palestine/Israel begin to rise up clamouring for independence.

Asia: The Qin begin to get competition from a new highly powerful family which begins to take up residence in the Imperial city. Their rise is of legitimate concern as many generals believe that the Mandate of Heaven the Chinese revere so deeply has been revoked on the Qin. The Korean Famine has ended. Yamato Japan's population gets a surprising boom.

North America: inter Tribal warfare breaks out Shoshone Tribes as chiefs vye for power. The Central American nations all continue major advancement in their systems of government.

South America: The Rise of Amazonian Tribes begins to be more noticeable to other tribes in the area.

One of the Events was semi-edited by a player had to restore a large consensus event between two head mods. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 00:31, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Question: Why is Galatia split in two? iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 01:01, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: The navy is improved and its score is raised by 0.25. Meanwhile, some new towns are established.

Kingdom of Illyria: The young King Pineus organizes a fleet to patrol all the Adriatic Sea, and secure the kingdom. Also improve the military (army 0.25)

Ptolemaic Egypt: A second government district is built in Thebes, to have more controll of the new southern territories. Controll over sudan is strengthened. Men from Meroe are enrolled in the military and trained to be soldiers of the Ptolemaic army. New medical drugs are discovered in the native plants of that region. Extra grain is stored in large cisterns to distribute to citizens in case of famine. Guards are positioned in key regions of Anatolia and Juadea. The Coasts andborders of Anatolia are fortified in case of an invasion. The southern border in upper Meroe is fortified. Fortifications are also built in other borders. The grain harvest was very plentiful this year. A greater amount of grain is exported to other countries The people are happy because they have enough to eat. We offer the Seleucid empire to buy grain from us in case of famine. Food scraps, weeds and animal dung is used to make compost and turn desert sands into rich soils. This system is also implemented in Meroe. (economy + 0.25)

Byzantine Empire: The Empires Defences around Byzantium are half finised with the two outer rings of defenses completed with the remaining two and a half are to be completed in another four to six years. The colony in Africa is consolidated as the populace is used to create the Hellenic/Greek-styled city. The military continues integration of all its peoples and is heavily professionalized. The possibility of a Roman-styled army, just more professional is considered with less reliance on the Hoplite/Phalanx with more reliance on a Legionary unit like the Romans. This will allow for highly professional tactics outside of the Phalanx and will allow outmaneuvering of the enemy armies. The Phalanx will still be the Battle line. However, the Legionaries will be the Bulk followed by Archers and Cavalry The Spartans and some of the remaining Macedonian Phalanx units are left as the Main Hoplite Phalanxes while the remaining close quarters begin to be tested with Legionary Training. With Expanding trade with Carthage our Economy upgrade to 2.0. We continue to Influence Halicarnassus using our doubly shared Greek, and Hellenic culture to begin buying off a few minor politicians. The city of Kydonia on Crete becomes a large scale Central Trading hub before all Trade Reaches Greece Proper. The Island is heavily fortified to deal with and potential threats. The Navy is deployed to begein dealing the the Pirates between the Greco-Italian waters and Rome is invited to help. The Discovery of Celtica is promted when ships following a Carthaginian trade vessel arrive there. King Phillip's son, at the age 12, begins a type of higher education in military, politics and philosophy. He shows strong will, and a sharp mind and looks to be just as smart as his father and mother. The city of Tavium is secured following the destruction of Galatias army by the Pontics. The Galatians due to their ethnic history, are included into the Byzantine empire very easily. However, some of the other large ethnicities are to be integrated more fully. Ankara and surrounding lands are also integrated very well as Ankara is made capital of the Province of Galatia. Development is done to expand and modernie the stone walls of the city.

  • Byzantine D: We offer a large scale trade agreement to Celtica.


Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Hannibal goes to the Carthaginian Council and explains himself to the council in what is written down as the Plea of Hannibal, and this is an excerpt:

"My senators, I have watched my father pledge to my nation that Iberia shall become a Carthaginian economic centre, and I watched him die in Iberia with the same dream. The lands of Iberia are full of silver, tin, timber, and soldiers that will fill our coffers for centuries, and give us soldiers to outnumber the population of any other nation. You are angry because of your sympathies to the coin. I offered to sate your appetite for gold and riches with Iberia as my father did and you pull support from me, my campaign, and try to remove my family's influence over all of Carthage! If Carthage is to move forward ever again, it will never be through your pathetic squabbling between each other, for it shall be through the action, conquest or subjugation of any others! Carthage does not need leaders who cannot rule it!"

Hasdrupal oversees the return of the recently conquered city and the return of Iberian and Carthaginian prisoners, all with no harm and with all belongings. Hasdrupal disbands and pays most all mercenaries, even giving a bonus, and sends the Greek Hopilites back on their ships. He retains the Iberian mercenaries, and half the Libyan mercenaries, offering double pay for helping rebuild Carthaginian Iberia, including the recently conquered areas. Expanding trade with all of Carthage's trading partners leads to an increase in our economy by 0.25. Magostudien of Sicily begins to compile Numidian, Libyan, Iberian, and Phoenician agriculture methods and practices into a large Manual of Agricultural Practices which includes but is not limited to the planting of olives, vines, the care of farm animals, and the preservation of many foods. Mago Barca in Ziz promotes the ideals of employing the poor and unemployed of Carthage into the navy, which begins to slowly gain ground in African Carthage. Iron plows, seeds and farmers begin to travel to Iberia, creating more farms and increasing the harvast quantity for the nation. Reconstruction is spearheaded by Hasdrupal in Carthago Nova as well, with the docks becoming the first thing fully restored. 

Korea: We continue to build up the defensive wall, adding thick guard towers, and ballista. The military continues to train. The king wants to send ships south to the southern islands (i e,: Australia, Philippines, Taiwan). He sends envoy's west to find other nations. They are expected to return in ten to 15 years. five envoys are sent each with 100 men, 250 slaves, 12 cavalry, 30 supply wagons, and 100 soldiers.

'Pontus: 'Mithridates II has passed away peacefully with a will, leaving a stable and booming kingdom to his adept and war-blooded son, Mithridates III, whose sister is the wife of Antiochus III the Great. Mithridates IIIs first act was to secure his kingdom and his recent conquests by fortifying every major city with his newly-acquired tax. Sinope was made testimony of Pontus' military industry and Amasia, capital of Pontus was made the largest and strongest fortress in Central Asia Minor. He also toured every major city in Pontus and Galatia to make speeches, and show himself to the people, making himself popular by talking and staying with the poor people. He also pressured the nobles into selling land to him, which he gave to the jobless, enriching Pontus' produce and treasury. He also made Blucium, capital of Pontic Galatia, a center of economy, learning, and made a large wall around it. He also placed the army on the Armenian frontier. He continued the assimilation of Galatians and made his people love him by reconstructing and improving infrastructure of the kingdom, as well as building roads and supply routes in Galatia. He also made the army love him by giving them a 10% bonus.

  • Pontic D: Mithridates sends an alliance, military pact, and trade agreement offer to the Seleucid king in a bronze tablet, saying that since they were brothers-in-law by his sister Laodice, and family, they must co-operate for the benefit of both nations. He also offers Antiochus a joint invasion of Armenia in two years' time, Pontus getting North and West while Seleucids get South and East.


'Kingdom of The Low Lands: The army grows and the kingdom becomes more and more centralised and connected. The Frisian tribes in OTL North-Holland are offered vassalization (RNG). The whole kingdom celebrates the ten-year existence of the kingdom and everybody gets three days of to celebrate. We begin to build around the 'capital' a large wall is build and also around the other five largest tribes/cities. '(Mods, see: Nation Tier Advancement Application (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)

The Four Germanic Kingdoms are doing well, save for Saxony. All nations have a great year in the harvest, but Saxony is suffering a mini-famine. The Kingdoms to their south (Rhine, Elbe, and Danube) all offer assistance, which is greatly appreciated, reducing any and all tensions. Since they have all merged into one Germanic culture, unification becomes a reality, when the Four Kings agree that the Danubian Prince will become King of all nations. (He is heir to the Danubian and Saxon thrones, and the Elben and Rhinish Kings lack a suitable heir.) In doing so, a new nation, the Germanic Empire, is formed. After years of vassalization, Old Prussia, and Heleveti join the Germanic Empire, as vassals. The Prince of the Empire goes to Ruthenia to court their heiress, the Princess of Ruthenia. They agree to be betrothed, and the wedding occurs on Christmas Day, 203 BC, entering the nations into a dynastic union. Economy improves. Capitalizing on the Cisalpine weakness, we declare war. We tell the troops that they are zealos pagans who plan to overthrow our worship of Odin and Thor. Conquest. (Mods, see: Nation Tier Advancement Application (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)

It is almost impossible to vassalize a people in twenty-five years without conquerering them, let alone less than ten years of people culturally and religiously different. And as of now, your casus belli is (Reason: None +3, Objective: Conquest +4, Modifiers: Religious Motive -2. Stability loss: 50-5 = 45, Some civil disorder. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 13:55, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

You also are expanding and influencing way to fast. It would take like 15 years for you to get anything with Ruthenia, and you're currently influencing about six or seven people so your influence is minimal at best #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:57, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built, although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks.  We discover Taiwan and we begin expanding into Taiwan. The Emperor is dead and is succeeded by his first son. His first son asks to marry the daughter of the head of the new powerful family.

Kingdom of The Low Lands Dip: We want to buy stone from anybody willing to trade.

Aoengic Ireland: Begins to build a small navy based off of Carthegian ships we have seen. Attacks Breton with Brython (algo coming later today). Upgrades army by 0.25 as more tactics are experimented with and actual army training begins to be implemented in young warries (ie. a small training program). La Tene continues to rise. Small advancement in language also occurs.

Dubhshaine: Expansion continues along the southern coast as farm land is found there.  Begins to practice drills with the ultimate hopes of destroying those that exiled them from their homeland. More adapting to the climate and cold occurs. Only the sick are now consistantly dying in the harsh winters. 

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec continues.


Romae Delenda Est 201BC

201 BC

Europe: Rome begins expansion of a port city in their newly conquered province, naming it Venetia. 

Europe: The logistical issues for the Scythian expansion across the former lands of the Bosphorous tribes still continue as many new emigrants find it increasingly hard to get surplus food for storage.

Europe: The independent pirates almost completely leave Byzantine and Roman waters and head to Carthaginian waters. They disrupt trade between the Byzantine Empire, and the Roman Republic for three months before the Carthaginian Navy manages to bait many of them towards Ziz with false trade ships where the navy intercepts these would be pirates, sinking their ships or taking them by throwing the crew overboard.

Europe: Civil unrest occures across the Germanic Empire from their recent war, with resources such as surplus food, cloth, and other important materials being moved from the main populations use as a tax for the new war. The Saxons are the hardest hit by this, due to the recent famine, the aid given to them, and the sudden removal of most of the aid.

Europe: The Aoengic Ireland army becomes more reliant on the Carthaginian weapons and armors provided, leading to some elite soldiers to be formed using this equipment, as well as more advanced fighting styles for their main armies.

Africa: The Berber tribes have expanded their territory with the inclusion of two more Berber cultured tribes, but lack of expanded agriculture and irrigation leads to some civil unrest in the united tribal government.

Africa: Hannibal Barca runs for the office of Sophet as the previous one has died of stroke. Hannibal wins in a landslide due to his popularity among the masses, which greatly displease the other powerful families and causes outright anger from the Senate.

Middle-East: The peoples across the Ptolemaic province of Palestine revolt with massive violence and the murdering of city guards by armed mobs. They declare themselves the Kingdom of Judea as most of the revoltees are Jewish peoples who have successfully convinced most of their ethnic kin that this is no better than being subject to the pre-Greek Egyptians.

Asia: A plot is formed between the new powerful family in the Imperial city, calling themselves the Han, in which they will buy off many of the Qin generals to allow for a complete overthrow of the current Qin Dynasty.

Asia: The Khmer people of Southern South-East Asia arise as a tier two civilization centered around the coast and trading with many smaller and lesser tribes around them.

Asia: The Satahmava Dynasty in India, allied with the Cholas, declare war on the apparently weak Mauryan Empire, hoping to cause other dynasties to revolt as well.

Asia: The Kutai tribes of Indonesia attempt expansion to nearby islands through the use of trade colonies, but they are unsuccessful.

North America: The Shoshone tribal warfare continues as two major chiefs are the final contenders for power, but their neighboring tribes begin to contemplate invasion on the currently weak Shoshone.

Central America: Both the Zapotec and Mixtec's expand thanks to trade relations with all of the major Central American city states.

South America: The rise of the Amazonian tribes leads to their first contact with a major foreign power, the Canaries tribes in the Ecuadar.

I am very sorry about these sporadic times with the posting of new turns, but this week at work, we have had two people quit and I was one of the ones chosen for their shifts which are day shifts. It is only for this week until new applicants are interviewed by my boss, and then new turn times will become much more uniform. Thank you! Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 00:34, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: Some more new towns are established.

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues its policy of expanding the defenses. And finding it necessary to take the expansions of the territories into account, decreed that the lands of the North must give tribute and vassalage, subject to royal authority and will be allowed entry to civilization. The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly. The King, advised by his counsel sent an emissary to request a hearing in the court of the Byzantine Empire. He carries a proposed alliance and commerce. And at the same time announced that the King is looking for a wife to perpetuate the seed royal, and ask for any princess available.

Byzantine D: While the king himself does not have a daughter. he does have a son and would love to find an Illyrian princess he could marry. We will also, however, reconsider the offer as there are lower level princesses available.

Byzantine Empire: The Empire continues its construction of the defences of Byzantium with only six months left to finish the cities final wall tier. The navy is once again constructed and build up further. The city of Ancyra once a ghost town is once again thriving thanks to Byzantine trade. Many people that were once living within the city have returned from other parts from the Byzantine Half of Galatia. Emperor Phillip begins to consider expansion of the Byzantine land forces to almost 80,000 following the increased birth rate of many of the nations around the empire. The city of Halicarnassus is continually influenced with the dual culture. Some of the Immigration to the city is staged so that Byzantines are sent into the city as new citizens to promote the empire in a good way. 

Korea: Industry upgrades by 0.25 with new iron smelters being installed, and the king allows the people to form a legislative branch called Peasants Commune. They meet in a group with the king twice a year. Crops are strong.

'Pontus:' Food, supplies, weapons, and the army is being prepared for an invasion of Armenia (+ 0.25 army). Like his father, Mithridates tours the kingdom's cities to acquire their support. He also gives a speech to his kingdom. In the west, he shows himself as a defender of the Greeks and he says that he hopes to unite other nations "Under the banner of Hellenism, under the banner of the Greeks.". In the east, he shows himself as the descendant of Persian rulers such as Cyrus the Great and Darius the Great. He makes speeches about the glory of his fathers and asks for their support in the coming war. He also starts bribing dissident Armenian governors ('I'm pretty sure a mod does an algo for this) and prepares his artillery at the border and tries to infiltrate the mountains. He also starts hiring Armenian mercenaries and supporters, trying to lay his hands on their cataphracts. He also makes border patrols and small-scale raids, small enough to not let the Armenian king notice but large enough for the Armenians to get mad at their king for not defending their lands.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Hannibal, as Sophet of Carthage begins a series of reforms for Carthage, proving he could be a statesmen as well as a soldier. He goes about to restore power to the Sophet position with his counterpart, Himilco Magonoid. They pass reforms that allow Sophet word to become law if agreed on by only the Council of Hundred and Four, with the Senate no longer being needed to approve Sophet decision. The Sophets also go about to enact a reform that changes the terms of the Hundred and Four from life to one year with two terms allowed. The final reform enacted at this time for the government is to make the Hundred and Fur elected by popular decision rather than oligarchal decision, ensuring the masses will be in favor of Sophet decision. The Senate, deeply angered by this, begins to make accusations that Hannibal has become soft and it began with the Second Punic War where he could not conquer the Romans. He simply replies to their accusations by saying that he won every battle, marched through Gaul, and crossed mountains, just to learn that the Senate would send him, nor his brother any aid. Hannibal also enacts a tax for ships passing through the Pillars of Hercules (Equiviolant to OTL $20, not much for the profit made through sales). Ships that fail to pay the tax enforced by the Carthaginian Navy are either turned around or captured and enslaved. Reconstruction of Carthago Nova is nearly completed as the mercenaries are dispersed to the two recently conquered cities of Coimbra and Salduie, where they remove the palisade and wooden walls to replace them with walls of stone. Magostudien of Sicioy finishes his Manual of Agricultural Practices and it becomes very popular in Iberia as farming output continues to increase., especially with the new and old ideas introduced in the manual. An army fort is established along the Manzanares River, and called Mageterit (Area of OTL Madrid). It is used to centralize and focus reconstruction efforts by the mercenaries and slaves.

The Germanic Empire moves to ease civil unrest. Now that we have actually won the war, things are coming easier to the Germans. The shortage of supplies is being combatted through trade now that we have a sea-port. We continue the vassalization of the Heleveti and Prussians. We continue courting Ruthenia, also, and propose a diplomatic marriage between two of the largest nations in Europe.

You did your algorithm completely wrong. The stability is based on casus belli, and yours led to you yourself losing five stability points, with the Gauls losing nothing. They actually won the battle when I redid your algorithm. You cannot simply conquer a peoples in one battle. They have cities, they have miles upon miles of territory filled with Gallic soldiers that must be fought and won against. The algorithm you made was only for crossing the border into Cispaline territory, which you have now lost. Even if you had won that, you would need to defeat them on the field, siege a city or two, and sue for peace. You cannot beat any single nation, not even the Australian Aborigines in one single battle or even one single capture of their capital. Right now, you still are at war, supplies are thin, and you have just lost your staging point for your invasion. It is not implausible for 26000 soldiers to be beaten by 5000. They held the high ground, and your soldiers had to pass through mountains to simply reach the border, demoralized and weary. And 5000 is not their entire military. Also, their scores are not 0.5, they are 1.0 all around. Please wait for a mod to do your chance and check your algorithm before you declare victory. Also, you never even asked that Ruthernia aid you in your war, let alone did they agree to send soldiers. And you have not vassalized the Prussians or Helvatti yet, not even close. You are not even vassalizing them now, you are just expending influence such as gifts, favors, and trade that will hopefully get them in your way of thinking. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 14:32, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built, although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks.  We discover Taiwan and we begin expanding into Taiwan. The fleet continues downwards and discovers parts of Borneo, where they resupplied and headed West. The Imperial Family begins making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system and we begin putting small amounts of lead into the food of the new Chuang Family's kitchen bowls. We also begin spreading influence into the people and making more laws good for the people. 

Roman Republic: The Roman Republic changed part of its law system allowing a three-year mandate to be done by the Consuls to allow further growth of the political fields of Rome. However, this is not thought much, Venetia the city of the Flumen Venetiae is named the grand port of Italy, being the greatest port on Cisalpine Gaul. While this, the military is built up and updated by 0.25 and the navy by 0.25.

You can only upgrade one thing at a time --#LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:15, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of The Low Lands: The stone walls are almost ready and We ask to the Roman Republic to buy weapons and armor and we ask The German Empire to buy stone because the training of new soldiers are ready. We declare war on The Frisian tribes (Casus belli: none, Objective: annex territory we wish to annex a province/state. Stability loss =-6 total stability= 44') And the majority of the men is called in the army. Can Someone make the algo for me because I don't have time today???

Just post when you have time. I'm on the way back to college so Internet is spotty. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:56, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. Army is upgraded. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec continues.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Temples are built. The pharaoh marries an ethnic Egyptian woman and the custom of marrying one's sister gradually dies out. Infrastructure is developed.

199 BC

Europe: The Germanic empire still suffers semi-chronic food shortages due to its ever expanding conflicts and lack of centralized and expansive agriculture. The Scandinavian tribes have managed to unite in a more central fashion and are utilizing iron and bronze in an effective well to do way. The Illyrians and Byzantines still actively talk about possible high level marriage. The Scythians have managed to expand their agriculture to the point of supporting their new acquisition.
Romae Delenda Est 199BC

Africa: The Numidian tribes strive along with Development as their population expands. The Greek colony is now once again able to expand.

Middle East: Judea forcibly throws out its many Egyptian overlords fully and establishes itself as fully independent looking for trade partners and allies. Minor revolts continue in the Seleucid empire but begin to die down. Parthia gains the upper hand in its war with Bactria.

Asia: The Han Family begins bringing about more influence in China. Yamato Japan manages to secure the upper hand in many dealing with its other two nations.

North America: The Shoshone tribes manage to unite together following the deaths of both major leaders of the opposition tribes. 

South America: Quiet two years.

Yamato Japan: Some more new towns are established. Emperor Kōgen begins plans to invade Yayoi Japan.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Hannibal's son, Hamilicar II is now 16. He begins training as an officer of the Carthaginian army in Carthage itself, receiving private lessons from his father that quickly enable him to excel in all his classes. The Senate, with the noble families, begin to conspire against Hannibal, believing that with him dead, they can restore their power over Carthage. Hannibal is aware to some degree of these conspiracies and has begun to walk around Carthage with protective leather armor underneath his Sophet clothing. Using the excess treasury funds from his reforms, the surplus agriculture, and the tax revenue from the Pillars of Hercules, he funds a colony not far from Carthginian Libya, which is given the name of Macomedes-Euphranta or just Macomedes (OTL Sirte). Large shipments of food, as well as some mercenaries leads to quick establishment of it as a small port colony. Growth in the city is small for the first two years, but Hannibal enacts a decision to allow Iberian, Libyan, and Numidian Mercenaries to become full Carthaginian citizens with a reduced tax burden if they are to move and live in Macomedes with their families. Carthago Nova is completely finished with reconstruction, and two additional towers have been added to the walls, one extra on opposite sides of the walls. It quickly resumes shipbuilding capabilities, producing twenty galleys and thirty Quintertriemes, leading to an increase of our naval score by 0.25. Agriculture continues to grow in Iberia as irrigation along the rivers controlled by Carthage begins. Wheat and animal farming are the two most popular types of agriculture in Iberia at this time, but production of olives, grapes, and wine also occur. Mago Barca in Sicily starts expanding the city walls due to many houses and shacks being built right outside the city from very little vacancy. The army fort Mageterit continues to house soldiers and slaves who work on "Carthaginizing" the former Iberian tribes towns. The slaves who are working are told they shall be freemen once the "Carthaginizing" is finished. "Carthaginizing" is used to describe adding Ba'al temples, Phoenician signs adjacent to native signs, stone buildings and walls, and the use of the Carthaginian currency, the Electrum.

Pontus: Mithridates, like his father, gives a speech before the invasion. Although, he says more of his Persian origins and that he shall unite the "four corners of Asia Minor" as one. While all this, The Pontic Navy is loaded with 40 Lithoballistas and sailed to 20 miles across the border, the farthest they could without being detected by the Armenian Navy. Similar to the troops he used for the Galatian campaign, he begins his invasion. The artillery, like before, smashes down at large formations, supply routes, and now, the capital. As in Galatia, a few men guard the enemy-deserted fortresses they come across, with the bribed governors supplying the Pontic army with their garrisons and opening the gates of their cities. Like before, Mithridates institutes a friendly policy to make the Armenian people love him, such as giving them food if they surrender their cities, which they do so due to destroyed supply routes. But, as the artillery heavily bombs the walls and roads to the capital, the Armenian king and the whole of his army flee to a position near the coast, a location near the Pontic Navy and a position barely bombed by artillery. There, the artillery takes place on the more elevated ositions, the Navy positions itself to bombard the army, and the main Pontic army takes up a position where the Armenian army's back is to the water. Due to their supreriority in cataphracts, the Armenian king risks a pitched battle. The center had four lines, with the Chalkaspides holding the first line, three-fourths of the adamantoi holding the second and third, and the Argyraspides holding the fourth, facing the flanks diagonally. This is due to the enemy supreriority in cataphratcs, which will wreak havoc if managed to break through. The remaining adamantoi, swordsmen, warband, and every other light infantry are stationed at the wings of the center, prepared to hold of any flank attacks and to surround the enemy center. Half the missile troops are placed at the back of the center line while all the mounted missile troops are placed at the front. At the flanks, the wings are equal with the Armenian cataphracts forming the first line of attack, the Cappadocians next, the Pontics third, the Galatian heavy fourth, and all the light infantry at the fifth. The remaining missile units are also placed behind the left flank to destroy any light cavalry, so as to give the Pontic cavalry full concentration on the Armenian heavy cavalry. On the right flank, a new kind of plan is set. Behind all the waves of cavalry is all the heavy Armenian theuros phalanx, mobile enough to move and sturdy enough to hold the line. Behind it is Mithridates III and his 120 mounted bodyguard, ready to charge if necessary. He does almost exactly the same thing he did with the Galatians, except that the left flank was easier to destroy with the artillery and the right flank was destroyed by a combination of a feint retreat, a pike to the enemy cavalry, and a double cavalry charge to the rear. He does almost exactly the same thing he did with the Galatians, same program, same everything. He also reconstructs everything and does his best to integrate the Armenians.

This war will take more than one algo. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:59, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

OK! iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 05:42, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built, although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks.  We discover Taiwan and we begin expanding into Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system and we begin putting small amounts of lead into the food of the Han Family's kitchen bowls. We also begin spreading influence into the people and making more laws good for the people. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. Five generals have been "accidented" by the Imperial spies, who have tracked people allegedly giving them money. The second large iron mill is built in Ningbo from direct order of the Ying (Qin) Family. This will supposedly boost people to move into the South of the Yangtze River, where the Ying family spreads its influence vigorously. The fleet moves from the Philippine Islands to OTL Bandar Seri Begawan, where they resupplied and headed West. The Great Wall of China is finished, with a tower in every two li, connected by a fire signaling system. The first large boat dock is built in Linzi.

Kingdom of the Low Lands: Begins to occupy North-Holland. The King, Janus, gets twins, one boy and one girl. The boy is called Classus and the girl Sanna. The harvest is partly failed because there is not enough manpower to harvest. A trade agreement is asked to the German Empire and the Gauls. A whole new seatown is created and with the town a shipyard. 

Byzantine Empire: The Empires defenses in Byzantium have been finished with the population of the city skyrocketing due to its massive importance as a trade port. With continued influence in Halicarnassus we begin to bribe city officials to our side. The colony in Africa is once again expanded with agriculture and roadbuilding securing most of the area for the Empire. The Emperor looks to either Scythia or Dacia to expand further. However, due to the trade between Scythia and the Empire it is declared that the Scythians will be influenced. We begin to influence Scythia using trade and our military agreement to influence them. Navy is upgraded by 0.25 The Kingdom of Judea is openly supported and trade is offered (RNG) The Emperor begins to increase the technology and equipment carried on the ships promping our naval upgrade. We continue to integrate the Thracians highly allowing them a certain degree of self rule and giving them large access to the empires economy This is done to try to increase the empires stability. The Men of the Greek Cities are given a few higher positions as their current Macedonian leaders have abdicated, or died in office. The Thracians are given some control of their governmental structure again and continued city building occurs in Tylis and Getae.

  • Kingdom of Judea (RNG:6): We decline a trade agreement for now as we wish to not get involved with too many nations as of now.

Korea An iron foundry is started, and the king orders barns to be constructed for grain storage. This is planned to prevent starvation in times of famine. The king supports Qin China, and offers the leaders of China to meet in Pyongyang to discuss trade and other issues.

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues its policy of expanding the defenses (0.25 army). The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly. The King will wait for a wife from the Byzantine Empire.

  • Byzantine D: We offer you a Daughter of Corinth, the governor of the city has three daughters one of which is married to a Spartan lord, and another which is married to a member of Phillip's War council. While the daughter will be married into your family any child she has will not maintain any control of the city itself due to the fact the city has elections for its new governor every five years.

The Mayans continue expanding south and west, establishing cities and creating roadways to connect them. The expansion is spearheaded by the army, who is responsible for dealing with any resistant natives and scouting out easy pathways for the roads. The cities continue becoming more centralized, relying on each other more, and making more joint decisions. Trade with the Zapotec and Mixtec continues.

Ptolemaic Egypt: The army is upgraded because of bronze wepons and new re-inforcements. (army + 0.25) We continue to expand southwards. Temples are built.

Aoengic Ireland: Finalizes preparations for war and loads up the ships to transport to Breton. Picts, Manx, and Aoengic soldiers are prepared and armed with Carthiginian Weapons and weapons made based off those weapons. Naval archery ships are completed, and are able to be used along the coast. The battle plan is currently to attack the SW peninsula of Breton. 

197 BC

Europe: The Gauls, attacked by the Germanic Empire, manage to rally their population against the Germans after defeating them at their border. Their army numbers 30,000 tribal soldiers ranging into different professions.

Romae Delenda Est 197BC

Europe: The Frisians retreat from Northern Holland and set up a defensive fort fifteen miles from the Belgican armies, which protect a bottleneck that if defeated, would open up the rest of Frisia to Belgican invasion.

Europe: The Scythians agriculture reaches a new high from their position in Crimea, allowing for a small population boom.

Europe: Famines continue in the Germanic Empire as the war rages on. Saxon nobles begin to discuss the possibility of leaving the Germanic Empire so that they are not caught up in a counterattack. 

Africa: The Senators move against Hannibal, trying to trap him to kill him as he leaves the palace in Carthage. They are stopped, however, by a large crowd coming to thank Hannibal for his reforms. Hannibal notices their weapons, leaving with the crowd, and plans an attack against the Senate.

'Africa: The Berber tribes manage to irrigate many of the small oases and other water areas to where their agriculture manages to sustain their population and provide a little s'urplus. 

Africa: Some of many Hausa villages come together to form a small tribal confederacy (Tier 1) to allow for an increased agriculture and co-operation between tribes. However, many of these villages are in famine currently, hoping to rely on the larger villages resources.

Middle-East: The King of Judea does not move against Egypt, hoping that inaction against them and focusing on domestic issues will allow the Judean Kingdom to start out in peace.

Asia: The Han family, stopped for now with the death of two of their closest general allies begin to bid their time, attempting to enact some sort of civil disorder in the near future.

Asia: Yamato Japan experiences a small population boom from increased migration to their nation.

Asia: The Parthians manage to siege the Bactrician capital of Samarkand, encircling it with no known Bactrician opposition armies near them. 

Asia: The Tungusic tribes manage to unite themselves into a tribal federation north of Dong-Hu (Tier 2).

Asia: The Sataharvana Dynasty manages to secure Southern India excluding the Cholas tribes for the time being after many years of warfare. They sue for peace, requesting to keep their currently held lands.

North America: The Ciboney tribes of the island of Cuba manage to unite near the Western edge of the island (Tier 1).

North America: The Hohokam tribes of OTL Arizona, California and Baja Mexico begin to expand farther south in an attempt to increase agricultural land.

Central America: The Mixtec and Zapotec announce an alliance between their city-states in order to protect themselves from smaller, more belligerent and disorganized tribes in the area.

South America: The Canaris tribe continues to trade with the Amazon River tribes, keeping their new trading partner a secret from nearby tribes while working on expanding their trade.

Yamato Japan: Some more new towns are established. The navy is improved and the score is increased by 0.25.

Byzantine Empire: With many of the confederacies governmental systems still intact the Byzantine emperor works to make these governmental systems more powerful and centralized with their control being slowly turned over to the Emperor, The Senate, and the Council. The Senate votes against the emperor's wish at further military conquest in Anatolia not wishing to go to war any further for the time being. Phillip, understanding this, still remains angry but takes a vacation in Thracia on the black sea and advocates for more funds to be sent to the provinces in order to facilitate quicker integration through their increased buildup. The Senate and the War council both agree to continue outfitting the navy with more advanced weapons among other things Upgrading the navy by 0.25 The inclusion of Galatia continues with the cities being heavily included in trade as well as their merchants. Scythia is continually influenced and an offer to build a trade port in Crimea is offered (RNG) The varying cultures of the area are repeatedy turned towards hellenic. However,.the Spartans are becoming an ever increasing problem as their militaristic ways are beginning to cause issues in the cohesion of the empire and its constituant states (most of them still semi-adhering to the confederate system)

  • Scythian Diplomacy (RNG:7): The Scythians decline the trade port as they wish to fully exploit Crimea for themselves.

Ptolemaic Egypt: We built new ships Ports are built in many coastal regions. The Cyprus naval base is maximum fortifies. (navy + 0.25) Egyptain merchants sail beyond the Red sea and get blown off to the Mauryan empire. We request trade with this nation. The Macedonians are kicked out of ports in Anatolia because their traders started a brawl in the streets. Judea is offered alliance and aid in exchange for keeping the old trade routes open and allowing Egyptians in their counrty. Eastern Libya is made a buffer zone. People in the Ptolemaic provinces are mixed. Nubians and Anatolians move to live in lower Egypt while Egyptians move to Anatolia.

That is considered something that would be included in mod events, you don't control what another nations people regardless of location. influencing a certain area is not always militaristic or expansionist in goal and if handled wrongly can result in rebellions, wars, etc etc #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:01, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

You can only upgrade once per two turns. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 05:21, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Celtica: The Celtican warriors deliver order to former Narbonesian areas. Central Narbonesis is left alone. The war is declared over.

Rome: Military and navy are but military is built by 0.25, Rome expansion begins to be drafted northward into Europe, to grow and thrive, to impose order in the chaos.

Pontus: Following the same steps of his father, Mithridates manages to earn the trust of the Armenians. He also launches an army drive, economic aid, everything his father did, he did the same things but better due to the extra financial funds. He integrates the Armenians, fixes roads, and regulates their jobs and taxes. After the recruitment and support tour of the king (+ 0.25 army). His army numbers the following:

  • 4500 Argyraspides, armed in the old way of Alexander the Great's phalanx, making it a bit more flexible and armored.
  • 4000 Chalkaspides, armed normally but much more disciplined, hardened and capable of retreating orderly, break harder, perform a double phalanx to prevent rear attacks, and not panic even though the flanks are pushed back, owing to the double phalanx.
  • 1800 Cyrtian slingers
  • 3000 Galatian light infantry, armed with the Celtic Theuros, Mail and short spear. Flexible and can do phalanx.
  • 2700 sparabara, a light infantry, imitated from the old Persian sparabars, but armed in light, metal shields, short spears and long swords. They can do a testudo but they are not too disciplined to maintain one. They also have a long sword if they are in a loose formation.
  • 2500 archers
  • 2500 javelinmen
  • 13,500 adamantoi
  • 2300 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
  • 1800 Steppe Cavalry
  • 2200 Pontic Cavalry
  • 2200 horse archers
  • 2300 mounted javelinmen
  • 2200 Thessalian Cavalry
  • 160 ships
  • 110 Lithoballista
  • 3500 Armenian heavy infantry, theuros-phalanx style
  • 2000 Armenian heavy swordsmen
  • 2000 Armenian cataphracts
  • 2000 Armenian thurephoroi
  • 1500 Armenian dismounted cataphracts
  • 1400 Armenian heavy cavalry
  • 400 Armenian archers
  • 1500 Galatian heavy infantry, armored and disciplined warbands.
  • 1400 Galatian heavy cavalry, former nobles
  • 1600 Galatian skirmishers
  • 1200 Galatian light cavalry, sons of former Thessalians and Athenian cavalry that joined them 50 years ago

However, Orontes, king of Armenia, has gathered support at the north-eastern part of Armenia, a place that was barely touched by Pontic influence, and created another army of volunteers, levies, and conscripts. Mithridates gave a speech to his army about the Armenians' slavery under Orontes. This was partially true, due to the fact that almost all able-bodied men were dragooned into the second army that Orontes' made, and that Mithridates ordered his men to avoid killing the Armenians, but to capture them, take their families, and get them away from the battlefield. After preparations, he set out with his army to meet the Armenians. He formed up in standard formation: Phalanxes at center, with the first line being a long wall of spears and the remaining lines in a checkerboard formation, adamantoi at regular intervals and at the sides of the main center line, along with the other heavy infantry. Cataphracts at the first line of cavalry at the flanks, followed by Cappadocians, Pontics, Galatians, Armenians, etc. Mithridates with his bodyguard at the back of the right flank. Missile troops behind, mounted missile troops at the front, and artillery surrounding the hill and the enemy formation. Light phalanx infantry at the flanks, ready to destroy the lucky horseman who gets through the lines. Artillery starts to soften up the enemy army. Mounted missiles canter in front of the enemy, out of pike reach and as far as they can from missile range, and start firing at the masses of enemy infantry and light cavalry. When the enemy horse charge, the with draw and go to the center and starts firing at the enemy infantry. The enemy horse is disrupted by the artillery-churned ground in front of them. The Pontic cataphracts charge at them, routing the enemy horse. The Cappadocians charge into the enemy archers, the arrows bouncing of their heavy armor. The light cavalry and Pontic cavalry then charges into the backs of the enemy infantry. The enemy infantry, destroyed by missile fire, decides to charge. They lose cohesion as they go through uneven ground and once they meet the Pontic lines, they are outnumbered, out-qualitied, and demoralized. A small unit of horsemen or archers occasionally gets through but they are met by the light infantry phalanx. As the phalanx meets the cavalry, the enemy missile is met by aan armored charge by Mithridates and his bodyguard, and all the enemy routs.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: The new shipyard is ready and 20 warships and five transport ships are build. Therefore Navy is upgraded by 0.25. Army is still growing and no we construct a pallisade around our army camp. No attack is ordered until the ships are ready. The new army numbers are: 8000 tribesman, 1200 swordsmen, 1000 horsemen and 1500 archers. We ask the Roman Republic to buy three Balistas for coal. We send spies to poison the watersupplies. Unfortunately, two spies are caught and killed. Some armymen need to come back to restore order in some provinces, after the riots are smacked down, stability increased to 45. '''(Mods, see: Nation Tier Advancement Application (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The Great Wall of China continues being built, although it is changed to voluntary work with a higher salary then farming. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks.  We discover Taiwan and we begin expanding into Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin spreading influence into the people and making more laws good for the people. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals.  The emperor asks to marry the daughter of the Han family. We continue making a secret imperial spy system.  The fleet discovers OTL Singapore and continued along the Straits of Malacca. The second large boat dock is built in Qingdao. The Emperor of China goes on a tour around China. Han Xin passes the Imperial Martial Exams, and becomes a general of the Chinese army. The Foreign Minister goes to Pyongyang and apologizes for the Emperor not appearing due to him being on a tour around China, we ask for trade and continued military alliance with Korea.

Qart-ḥadašt Res-Publica (Republic of Carthage): Hannibal's son, Hamilicar II, is nearly finished with officer training, and with the tutelage from his father, he has managed to excel above all others in his class for two years straight. After witnessing the weapons held by the Senate before the small crowd rushed in and unexpectedly saved Hannibals life, he begins to walk around with three trusted generals, and fifteen of his most trusted Iberian soldiers, descendents of the ones who stayed with his father and Carthage during the mercenary wars. The colony grows in Libya, with Iberian and Libyan mercenaries coming and starting small trade unions and farms. As the colony is large enough, its name becomes Macomedes and its province area is named Euphranta. Food continues to be shipped from Iberia, but at a lesser rate from the current agricultural practices. Irrigation in Iberia continues as farms grow in size as well as amount. Some small silver mines have been established along the frontier. Mago continues with his wall expansion in Ziz, adding a new Western section to the walls and expanding its population capacity. As Carthaginizing is nearly finished in the towns of Combria and Salduie, many of the mercenaries and slaves begin to settle in the army fort Mageterit as workers are finished in a stagger. Farming along the river next to Mageterit begins by the recently freed slaves. Hasdrupal pays the remaining mercenaries (7000 men) their money and offers for them to stay in Carthaginian Iberia or the colony of Macomedes

  • (RNG: 8): The Mercenaries would much rather return to their homes and families.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hasdrupal expresses that he understands, and sends them their pay, as well as their bonus for helping rebuild Carthago Nova, and their "Carthaginizing" of Coimbria and Salduie

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues its policy of expanding the defenses. The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly.

195 BC

Europe: Roman expansionism is met with success as its military continues large scale upgrades. The Germanic empire still maintains a large amount of cultural diversity which prevents any type of unification for years to come. The city of Sparta fields an army from many of the disgruntled from all across Greece. While mostly Spartans and Corinthians, many people fed up with Byzantine (Macedonian) Rule have gathered  an army of about 60,000 outside Sparta While many are Trained most are not and are not armed as well as the Spartans or the Byzantine professional forces. They have openly offered a challenge to Phillip to try to destroy them. If he loses then Sparta and Corinth will be independent, and if he wins then he has won and to the victor goes the spoils. 
Romae Delenda Est 195BC

Africa: The Senate of Carthage openly denounces and attempts to exile Hannibal. However, an army of 20,000 loyal to Hannibal clashes opening in the streets of Carthage. While losing handily they manage to create a large amount sympathy. The Carthaginian Civil war has begun with Hannibal at the head in Ibera, and the Senate leading the other half. 

Middle East: The Kingdom of Judea declines offers from all parties focusing on its internal structures for the time being but does show some hostility for Egypt for its rule over them. The Seleucid Empire once again restabilizes from its riots. However, the population from drought and famine has declined slightly. 

Asia: The Han Family flees to Southern China and begins fielding private forces to challenge the Qin.

North America: Many Tribes begin to expand covering more ground.

South/Central Ameria: The growing power of the Mextecs and Zapotecs continues to unite them.

Yamato Japan: Some more new towns are established. Meanwhile a few Shrines are built in some of the towns.

Hannibalic Carthage: Hannibal, after escaping the royal families and Senate in Carthage, travels to Iberia to meet with his brothers Mago, who has secured over half of the Carthaginian fleet from Sicily, and Hasdrupal, who is the current governor of Iberia, and its loyal citizens to the Barca family. They begin by arresting Carthaginian Senators in Iberia, cruciying them and exiling their close friends and family. As their access to funds have been severely limited by this civil war for both sides, they race to find a solution. Hannibal begins to recruit Iberian and Celtiberian citizens in Carthaginian Iberia into a standing army as soldiers rather than mercenaries. They serve their same roles as they would have if they were mercenaries, but instead of going to the highest bidder, they are conscripted into Hannibal's armies to defend their lands and their way of life. Hannibal and Mago split these forces, both of them having:

  • 3000 Iberian swordsmen
  • 5000 Iberian spearmen/pikemen
  • 5000 Iberian Skirmishers/Javelins
  • 4000 Celtic Soldiers (mix of axe and sword).
  • 50 African Elephants (bred in southern Iberia)
  • 3000 Celtic Heavy Cavalry
  • 2000 Iberian Skirmish Cavalry
  • 2000 Celtiberian archers
  • 3000 Baeleric Slingers
  • 2000 Celtic Heavy Swordsmen

Hasdrupal's army is of similar composition, but he only has 18,000 soldiers in his army. The plan is for Mago to sail his fleet against the Senate's in Sicily. From there, his army will siege and take Ziz and defeat any Senate armies in Sicily. Then Hannibal will sail his army and disembark at Sicily where they will resupply and rest. From that point, Hannibal will take a quarter to a half of Mago's army, and invade Senate Afrika, sieging Utica, taking the city, and then sieging the Senate itself at Carthage, securing victory. While this is happening, Mago's navy will continually sail across the Western Mediteranean, stopping any Senate invasion of Iberia. Because of this, Hasdrupal will take his army, cross the Pillars of Hercules, and siege Tanja (Tangier), taking the city and furthering Hannibal's cause. As of now, the only part of this plan enacted is Mago's fleet sailing for control of the Mediteranean as numerous naval battles have begun (Naval battle algos?)

"These enemies we will fight, it shall be Carthaginian tactics they use. For now, let us show them how true soldiers fight."

Hannibal, to his brother Mago before he set sail, c.195 BC.


  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (RNG: 9 The Numidians will not help you, but neither will we help the senate. This is a Carthaginian war and does need the extra bloodshed.): We ask that the Numidians aid Hannibal by pledging their loyalty to him instead of the senate, which seeks to completely subjugate the Numidians instead of Hannibal.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (Does not need RNG): Hasdrupal sends an envoy to Rome, requesting that the pledge to Rome be honored with their support of Hannibal's armies over those of the Senate.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: Attacks Frissian fortress. Expands road network and towns expand. I can't post today or tomorrow. Also, no algos. Can you maybe do the algos?

I can try. Where do you want to attack and with how many soldiers? Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 21:44, August 16, 2013 (UTC)


Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks.  We make the cities of Yibei (Taibei), Lugang (Taichung) and DaWei (Tainan). The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We send an official decree saying that the fleeing of the Han Family is because they are conscious of the crime they're performing against heaven and hence is afraid of any consequences (做賊心虛). We also begin spreading influence into the people and making more laws good for the people. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals.  The emperor asks to marry the daughter of the Han family. We continue making a secret imperial spy system.  The fleet sails to Bangkok, where they settled for a few months, taking a few locals as prisoners. The third large boat dock is built in Shanghai. The Emperor of China goes on a tour around China. Han Xin rises through the ranks after successfully repulsing a Xiongnu skirmish. We build our third large iron mill in Fuzhou and we advance naval score by 0.25. We ask to become an iron age nation. (Mods, see: Nation Tier Advancement Application (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)


Byzantine Empire: Phillip decides against challenging the Greco-Spartan army and proceeds to begin burning their fields with fast cavalry in the attempt to starve them out. The Byzantine army using mostly troops from the other Greek Citites fields about 50,000 troops and decides against all out attack and begins building earthen defences for the inevitable attack. The Onagers are heavily protected and are to be used in bombarding the enemy before they reach us. The entire current army has been outfitted with majority iron weapons and blacksmiths begin phasing out the lower classes of iron and bronze in exchange for Higher grade iron and a new material that is being experimented with. The navy begins to blockade the rebellion cities and uses its overwhelming force to keep any rebel trade from going out.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hannibal sends an envoy to Phillip of Macedon, requesting supplies and trade in support of Hannibal's Carthage over the Senates. (As Hannibal did in the Second Punic War, only this envoy made it to Macedonia).
  • Byzantine D: We will try to send support after we deal with the Spartan rebellion. No major promises but we will do our best.

Pontus: Orontes escapes and raises another army in the eastern parts of Armenia. Mithridates replenishes the depleted ranks of the army with fresh, new recruits and Armenian volunteers. He treats occupied Armenia with the same dignity as in Galatia. He orders the re-construction of the destroyed country and pays every displaced family so that they could work again. He builds roads, supply routes, buildings, schools, military bases, and hospitals. The whole country is geared for war, and Mithridates tours every city so the people could support it. The land in Armenia is evenly distributed to the people, which in turn enables them to regulate the quota of production and tax. Mithridates makes himself popular to the Armenians by touring and staying with the Armenian people. He parades the Armenian soldiers and frees the prisoners, provided they don't make war with Pontus again. They either join the army or live as citizens of Pontus. The army is expanded to 76,000 men as people support the war due to the clever speeches that Mithridates says to them.

  • 5000 Argyraspides, armed in the old way of Alexander the Great's phalanx, making it a bit more flexible and armored.
  • 5000 Chalkaspides, armed normally but much more disciplined, hardened and capable of retreating orderly, break harder, perform a double phalanx to prevent rear attacks, and not panic even though the flanks are pushed back, owing to the double phalanx.
  • 2000 Cyrtian slingers
  • 3000 Galatian light infantry, armed with the Celtic Theuros, Mail and short spear. Flexible and can do phalanx.
  • 3000 sparabara, a light infantry, imitated from the old Persian sparabars, but armed in light, metal shields, short spears and long swords. They can do a testudo but they are not too disciplined to maintain one. They also have a long sword if they are in a loose formation.
  • 2500 archers
  • 2500 javelinmen
  • 14,000 adamantoi
  • 2300 very heavy Cappadocian Cavalry
  • 2000 Steppe Cavalry
  • 2500 Pontic Cavalry
  • 2500 horse archers
  • 2500 mounted javelinmen
  • 2500 Thessalian Cavalry
  • 180 ships
  • 130 Lithoballista
  • 4000 Armenian heavy infantry, theuros-phalanx style
  • 2000 Armenian heavy swordsmen
  • 2000 Armenian cataphracts
  • 2000 Armenian thurephoroi
  • 2000 Armenian dismounted cataphracts
  • 2000 Armenian heavy cavalry
  • 1500 Armenian light infantry, slings for long range then spears for close range
  • 500 Armenain archers
  • 2000 Armenian horse archers
  • 2500 Galatian heavy infantry, armored and disciplined warbands.
  • 2000 Galatian heavy cavalry, former nobles
  • 2000 Galatian skirmishers
  • 1500 Galatian light cavalry, sons of former Thessalians and Athenian cavalry that joined them 50 years ago

Ptolemaic Egypt: New Colonies are founded south of Meroe in the relatively unoccupied territory between the border and Axum. Egypt starts to get rich on the spice trade and wild animal trade. Temples are built.

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues its policy of expanding the defenses (0.25 army). The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly.

193 BC

Europe: Roman legions become much more effective as more mass movement and flexibility are increased through training.

Europe: The Saxons of the Germanic Empire begin to discuss secession at the noble level, removing the Saxons from the Empire if they come to an agreement.

Europe: The Spartans and Corinthian citizens begin to experience some minor food problems, but due to some surplus from Byzantine storage of agriculture in their area, they manage to hang on and start to dig in.

Europe: Mago's fleet has successfully defeated the Senate's and allowed for his army to begin siege of Ziz, the city he once governed. Hannibal's fleet prepares to sail to Sicily to aid his brother's army, and Hasdrupal stays put in Iberia with Hannibal.

Europe: The independent Picts to the north begin raids on the vassalized Picts to the south. 

Africa: The Senate tries to copy Hannibal's method of a standing army, but it fails when a majority of Carthaginian citizens refuse and threatens with revolt, as they are not used to serving as actual infantry in any war. Nevertheless, the Senate manages to bring together an army of 25,000 and invades across the Pillars of Hercules into Iberia to stop Hannibal as quickly as possible.

Africa: The Berber tribes expand to the south as their agriculture expands.

Middle-East: The Kingdom of Judea finally gets its fleets and small armies under control and a functioning government in order, and are now willing to trade with other nations.

Middle-East: The Seleucids continue to experience minor civil unrest.

Middle-East: After many bloody battles between the Pontic Kingdom and the Armenian Kingdom, both sides have lost many forces, but are determined to fight to the death, as the war escalates now to near total war.

Asia: Parthia manages to capture Samakrland, ending the war while retaining the currently held provinces. 

Asia: The Kalinga Dynasty revolts in the Maurya empire in fashion with the Satavahana Dynasty.

Asia: The Han army continues to grow in Southern China as they begin to spread rumors of the continuation of the Celestial Dynasties of China, where one grows great, then weak, then falls, the cycle eternally repeating.

North America: A famine occurs in North America around OTL Canada due to a lack of food and a bad fishing season.

Central America: A dispute between the Mixtecs and Zapotecs involving their kings weakens their alliance, but they remain allied still.

South America: The Amazonian tribes begin to consolidate on agriculture rather than expand, and the rest of the South American nations become aware of their existence.

We now have a naval battle algo. It is needed to fight naval battles, and to sea invade a city or densely populated province. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 04:35, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals.  We spread a legend, where Qin Shi Huang Di asked an oracle how long will the Qin Dynasty last. The Oracle sent him on a journey in his garden and told him to count how many steps he walked. After he returned, he said he had worked 3042 steps and the oracle said that it would be the number of years the Qin Dynasty will last. We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sails to Calcutta and asks for a trade agreement with Mauryan Empire. The fleet continued, landing in Chennai, Mumbai and Karachi, where they heard of the Seleucid Empire. The fleet then lands in Port Abbas and headed back. The fourth large boat dock is built in Fuzhou. We build our fourth large iron mill in Guanzhou and we advance industry score by 0.25. We ask to become an iron age nation.(Mods, see: Nation Tier Advancement Application (Romae Delenda Est Map Game)

You cannot upgrade twice in two turns, and I will look at it after work tonight. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 20:48, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: Some new farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. A few more Shrines are built.

Selucid Empire: We continue building up our defensive barriers on the borders. We also continue integrating the eastern half of our country. The Civil unrest is dealt with, and the military is built up.

Hausa: The leader of the Hausa, Bayajidda, orders his people to begin moving toward to the west to escape his father, one of the kings of Nubia. His followers, numbering some 50,000 people, begin their trek from OTL Darfur to OTL Kano, seeking to escape the persecution and oppression of their homeland.

Byzantine Empire: The Empire continually strangles the Spartan and rebel Greek food supplies forcing them to advance on us in a battle. by this point a wall has been erected sealing off Sparta and the rebel armies from the mainland with a constant naval blockade in place. Ballistas are mounted on the ships tipped with fire among other things in order to to burn down farms and some of the coastal food repositories. A Port city Sparta controls is bombarded and burned to the ground by the navy. small landing parties are used to terrorize any undefended rebel supply lines. The defending army of the Byzantines is graced fully by King Phillip and his son as they both move in to lead the army for the coming battle. Town garrisons are created in the absence of soldiers and are armed by the city itself. Each city managed anywhere from 200 (small cities and towns) to about 8000 (larger cities that are not flagship cities) and with major subsidies for the time being while this is set up. Supplies are sent to Carthage. The colony in Africa expands by 4 px south. The Navy is built up with more ships with Ballistae put on them for more effective bombardments and ship to ship combat. The combined military strategem of the Phalanx Legion is put into practice for the first time copying the Romans heavily. The Smaller force of 10,000 King Phillip still fields is put under the joint command of Admiral Agathon, and General Hypatos with about 150 Warships as well as other Troops ships to be sent to Carthage to help him Battle the Senate. The Forces are to Remain under Byzantine Command. The city of Byzantium, previously a medium-sized fishing city, has begun to expand and blossom into the Huge Capital city Phillip wanted it to become, using its significance as Macedonian controlled but Greek cultured city to unite the two peoples even further regardless of the Rebellion. 20,000 mercenaries from all over Anatolia are paid for and sent to Pontus as a gift - more so to protect themselves after the invasion of Armenia.

Navy is upgraded by 0.25.

Kingdom of The Low Lands Military is more disciplined and is improved by 0.25.

Roman Republic: the Military is upgraded by 0.25 and the navy stand still awaiting for orders after a while  The senate sends the orders of Attacking the Cisalpine Gauls again. However, troops now are bigger, 40.000 soldiers 25.000 them being recruits and the rest being veterans of the first war with this contingent 15.000 mercenaries of Illyria, Epirus and other nearby nations.

  • Hannibal Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hasdrupal requests that the Romans send supplies to aid the war effort against the Senate.

Pontus: As the last two years have been focused on gaining the Armenians' trust, upgrading, and replenishing the army, Orontes has fled to Northern Armenia, where he is cut of from his navy but he manages to reach his financial centers and take all his money. With this, he raises a final army of a staggering 40,000 men. We continue re-building and integrating the Armenian State, thereby gaining their trust and many allies and supporters, especially from the peasants. With this, we manage to transport a large army of 50,000 men of Pontics, Galatians, and Armenians to Northern Armenia to confront Orontes. Meanwhile, the Pontic Navy has been expanded with naval artillery (+0.25 navy) and is put to full use by having a few lithoballista with them. They are put to full effect in this battle as they form a line as long as Orontes' line where all of the artillery is facing him while Orontes' army cannot respond because no orders are given and some officers are starting to get bribes from Mithridates. Meanwhile,the landward artillery  hides in the mountains, surrounding Orontes' army. Meanwhile, the main Pontic army has been positioned on high ground overlooking the coast. They form their usual manner. Chalkaspides, Argyraspides and adamantoi in the center. Other heavy infantry and adamantoi at the sides of the center to envelop the enemy. The cavalry are formed heaviest to lightest on the flanks. Light infantry and phalanx units are formed as flank protectors on the sides. Missile troops behind the main army. Horse archer and javelinmen at the front. All artillery fire on Orontes' army, with naval artillery firing at his back. His troops charge, losing momentum due to the ground and having to go uphill. All Pontic (I'll call my troops Pontic in general, despite the nationalities) cavalry charges downhill, destroying the Orontic cavalry and they go straight for his archers. The Orontic (for in-game political reasons, I'll call the enemy army Orontic soldiers) center charges, loses momntum, and crashes onto my center. They rout due to the elevated position, loss of momentum, and loss of numbers, and a timely cavalry charge on their backs. As they run to the sea, Pontic cavalry chase them and capture Armenians and kill other Orontic supporters.

  • Pontic D: We thank the Macedonians for sending soldiers to us and repay them by giving them 200 talents and two jars of wine.
  • Byzantine D: No problem.

You lost your last algo with the Armenians im very sure they invaded you ... As far as the map is concerned you don't hold any of Armenia, and you are literally in a state of total war against him .. hence Byzantium sending you 20,000 mercenaries. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 01:11, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

I fought with them one more time and I won. So 1-1. Besides, they never really pursued me and I update my country after the map is posted. Sorry about that.. iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 01:18, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also on the algo with participation you do not include Macedon in your participation.. i believe after this previous also you have exhausted each other with you have a slight advantage.. id say you get a few provinces not the whole shabang. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 01:20, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm really aiming for a border with Colchis and reducing Armenia to a rump state. But due to mod events, I'm forced to commit total war on them. I love Mithridatic VI's Pontus and I'm aiming to copy it. :)  iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 01:23, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hannibalic Carthage: The army that crossed the pillars of hercules and is controlled by the Senate attacks Hasdrupal and Hannibal's armies while they are preparing to leaving for Sicily to aid Mago's army. Scouts along the beach report of the Senate's navy and the invading forces seen on the ships, giving time for Hasdrupal and Hannibal to prepare. As the battle rages on, the generals of the senate army create a rear guard for their forces, allowing a little less than half the soldiers (10,000) to escape, losing about 2000 in the whole retreat. Hannibal and Hasdrupal do not retreat and instead recruit more Iberians to their army, albeit less experianced. Mago's army continues to siege the city of Ziz, with his navy now controlling the waters around it and the Meditteranean. Due to the Senate's attack from the Pillars, the navy begins to patrol in greater numbers around the Pillars of Hercules to prevent such an attack while Hannibal continues to make preparations with his army to sail for Ziz. Small raids, using smaller and faster galleys are conducted against the Senate's full navy in the Carthage (city) port, but not much is accomplished other than morale victories for Hannibal by proving he can hit the Senate at home. Due to the wartime resources being pooled and put to use as new generals are recruited as well as admirals, and the new training that is being tried, so as to create tactics that the Senate is not expecting, we expand our army by 0.25.

Ptolemaic Egypt: The colonies south of Meroe continue to expand. Internal infrastructure is further developed. Anti drought and anti famine supplies are in store in case. We request Egyptian ships to have trading rights in Mauryan empire. We send messengers to the Maharaja to ask for permission to dock in ports and trade. Petra and other minor Arabian states among the coastline are heavily traded and influenced. We offer to sell Judea grain in case of famine for low price, that they pay us the rest later. We also trade heavily with them. Heavy agricultural tactics are

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues its policy of expanding the defenses. The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly.

191 BC

Europe: The Romans continue their massive advance against the Cispaline Gauls. The Greek rebels are forced into an engagement and must either break Phillip's army or die trying. The Carthaginians under Hannibal continue their advance on the Senate as their continued losses spur the senate towards possible capitulation. The picts continue their raids against the vassalized picts. The Saxons revolt from the rest of Germania in their bid to become fully independent. They get Pre-Empire territories.
Romae Delenda Est 191BC

Africa: The Carthaginian senate are beginning to desperately recruit troops as to try to stem Hannibal's forces. The possibility of a Byzantine/Hellenic fleet coming to the aid of Hannibal when most of the fleet is in Sicily has the Senate getting as many ships as possible battle ready. With Warships, and outfitted fishing boats among other random ships the Senate has managed to field about 80 ships, with the remaining 60 remaining ships are scattered throughout the sea around Sicily and Corsica.

Middle East: Judea begins to look to the west for trade partners. The Seleucid rebellions and revolts cease for the time beings. The Egpytians suffer a bad year with the Niles agriculture.

Asia: The Han and Qin officially go to war with minor raids occuring in cities by both sides. The Han manage to field the larger army partially made up of about 40,000 deserters from the Qin, The Han also themselves have fielded another 40,000 troops making their troops at 80,000 with the Qin managing to field just less at 60,000

North America: The Famine has ended as minor agriculture has come into place.

Central America: The Zapotec ruler dies from a plague which begins to ravage the area.

South America: Most South American tribes consolidate.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We recruit 30,000 soldiers, although they had little training and we advance army score to 2. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. Our army Han Xin leads 30,000 soldiers, including

  • 5000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 5000 dagger-axe man
  • 10,000 cavalry
  • 10,000 Halbred wielders

Zhang Liang lead another 30,000 including 

  • 10,000 expert swordman
  • 5000 sharpshooters with arrows
  • 5000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 5000 dagger-axe man
  • 5000 tribal cavalry

Xiao He lead another 30,000 including

  •  5000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 10,000 swordsman
  • 15,000 dagger-axe man

You cannot supply and arm another 30,000 soldiers. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 02:10, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed to Singapore. Han Xin goes from Shanghai, Ningbo, Fuzhou and Chouzhou and down from the shoreline. Zhang Liang goes from Anching, Jiujiang, Ganzhou and southwards. Xiao He goes from Wuhan, Changsha, Hengyang and southwards. Finally, they will meet in Guangzhou. We ask Korea and Yamato Japan for military supplies and soldiers.

Yamato Diplomacy: Emperor Kōgen sends military supplies and 100 military personnel to help Qin China.

Byzantine Empire: The Empire goes on the defensive fighting the Spartans as they are forced to strike out. The battle goes well thanks to the Navy in the area but is still very close. While the Spartan leader and other rebel leaders have been wiped out, some troops escaped equaling out to about 19,000. These were forces that were unable to be attacked or run down due to a Rear Guard action. While the remainder of their army retreats King Phillip, close to death, has a stroke of strategic insight and sends almost 90% of his cavalry equalling about 10,000 split between Sparta and Corinth to prevent them from reaching the cities to fight their last stand in a city. The Main Body of the army continues to march under King Phillip's son, now the King himself, Alexander. While all this is going on, the Thracians are finally considered part enough of the empire to field some small amounts of Troops equalling out to 10,000 Troops in training at the professional level. A second less professional army is raised of Macedonian Hoplites, a minimal amount of legions and some Cretan archers and cavalry, as well as mercenaries from all over Greece forming an army of about 20,000. This army is marched towards the Pellopennussus to deal with the Rebellion. The Pellopennssus is very close to capture with naval ships now sailing into the Corinthian harbor to rain Ballistae on the Corinthians. This is done to cut the possible usage of the city as a continued base. This is done continuously every six hours to force the city to capitulate eventually especially as it has no garrison. The colony in Africa expands and is officially made a province of the empire with a grand total population of 13,000. Agriculture starts to take place here on a larger scale to prevent reliance on the sea routes for supplies. of the Fleet of 150 only about 30 ships are left to try to scare the Carthaginian senate. The remaining 120 ships and their 10,000 soldiers to sail back up towards Sparta and deploy forces to advance on the city.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: After years of civil unrest are we finally ready to attack the Frisians. Agriculture booms and population grows. ​The Frisians are so-good-as defeated and all over the nation people celebrate. Half of the army is demobilized and men are returning to their family's. The King's best architect is ordered to make something that can drain all the water out of the marshes in OTL North-Holland.

Yamato Japan: Some new farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. A few more Shrines are built. The navy is improved and the navy score is upgraded by 0.25.

Hannibalic Carthage: Hannibal's army sails towards Sicily, landing it directly with Mago's army. Hannibal attacks the city with his brother, taking the city due to the strained manpower of the Senate's Carthage. 

"I have returned my people. Let this be a sign that the dogs that run Carthage are on their heels, and let them whimper at our might."

Mago Barca upon his return to Ziz, c.191 BC

Mago and Hannibal march through the city, giving awe and shock to all of the citizens from their triumphent return. Mago returns to his palace, finding most everything like how he left it years ago. However, celebrations do not last long as Hannibal begins preparations to sail for Carthage itself with his army and half of Mago's to win the war. Hasdrupal's army stays near the Pillars of Hercules, with constant naval patrols. In one patrol, the navy comes under attack by the Senate's naval garrison that previously invaded across the Pillars. The naval officer of the small fleet notices their ships not at port before the attack begins, allowing for a loose formation to be made of the Hannibalic Carthage ships. Algo to come.

Havana Tribes: Due to the end of the famine, primitive farming has developed among the Havana Tribe, they begin planting and cultivating foods such as maize and potatoes. Fishing has begun in the bay shallows around Havana Tribe ares using primitive one man boats. Havana has increased its economy by 0.25. Tribal members has begun exploring the rest of the land following the coastline.

Kingdom of Illyria: The King Pineus continues his policy of expanding the defenses (0.25 army). The lands and sparsely populated areas are becoming gradually repopulated by stimulating colonization. In this way are created foci of increased agricultural production while livestock increases rapidly.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Colonies expand south of Meroe. Settlers go up the Nile. More grain silos are built. Intensive agrarian practices continue. The western and eastern borders in Libya and Sinai are strengthened. Iron weapons are increasingly used by army officers. (army + 0.25) A Judean-Egyptian doctor and professor living in Alexandria announces a theory that diseases are caused by contact with "dirty" objects and infected people. Egyptian astronomers make more discoveries. People within the Ptolemaic Egypt are mixed and encouraged to settle in new lands. Anatolian defenses are strengthened. Coastal arabian states are influenced. Egyptian trading ships sail to Mauryan empire via Red sea. We request a trade agreement with the Maharaja. Elephants are trained. New kind of striped horses are discovered south of Meroe. We succesfully breed and train them. They are mated with Eurasian horses. The agricultural system is so strong, that a faimine is very unlikely. Massive reservoirs are built to hold water.

Pontus: Alexander Nikephon, the overall commander of the Armenian War, allows no respite for Orontes. The leaves 15,000 of his most exhausted men to garrison the captured Armenian cities and continue Mithridates' friendly treatment of reconstruction and integration. Meanwhile, all extra soldiers were sent back to Pontus to fortify the cities, especially the south where Egypt is seen fortifying their cities. Mithridates orders the construction of fortresses on all captured cities of Armenia and on the un-walled cities of Pontus and Galatia. (+ 0.25 army) Alexander takes 30,000 men and drives northeast to the sea, shadowing the remnants of Orontes' army and forces him in a pitched battle, determined to capture Orontes and hopefully end this war. Orontes, with only 5,000 men, prepares. Once again, advance artillery scouts position themselves on surrounding hills, particularly west, and the navy prepares itself on the coast. Orontes' remaining loyal naval supporters are scattered due to confusion and lack of orders. Alexander orders the cavalry to charge onto the flanks as artillery concentrates and destroys the Orontic cavalry, except for 500 Pontic cavalry which he positions on the eastern coastal route of Orontes. The enemy infantry at the center, virtually undamaged except for arrow fire, is met head-on by adamantoi followed by phalanxes then gets charged from the rear by cataphracts and Cappadocians. Orontes, while attempting to flee, gets half his 80-man bodyguard mauled by artillery as he attempts to go west and while fleeing east to try to seek refuge in Colchis, gets ambushed and destroyed by the Pontic cavalry hiding in the woods of north-eastern Armenia. Orontes is killed. and Alexander begins the reconstruction of roads and buildings almost immedialtely. He orders the standardizing of tax and quota and the construction of farms. He also manages to recruit 4000 men  to re-inforce his army.

Hausa: The trek into OTL Nigeria continues with the Hausa people passing through the lands of Chad on their way to OTL Kano. Bayajidda calls upon 5000 able-bodied men to begin training in the arts of war for the future conquest of the lands that lay at the end of their journey (Army + 0.25). This force shall be divided into 3500 spearmen, 1000 archers, and 500 horsemen. The development and expansion of Hausa language begins to help identify the people of the Hausa from those whom wish to join the band of travelers. Bayajidda commissions some of his best metallugists and swordmakers to begin to experimenting with new methods of heating iron and copper, seeking to develop a sharper sword for their leader.

Roman Republic: the military continues fighting the weakened Cisalpines, the capture the rest of north eastern Cisalpine Gaul, asserting power on the Rubicon territories and forging the Limes Germanicus, the Limes Septentrionalis or Limes Alpinum the Gaul continues failing at defending their lands. Parts of Liguria soon fall to Roman hands. Army is upgraded by 0.25.

Parthia: Shah Arsaces III offers an official end to all hostilities with Bactria, saying that we can live together and focus on more challenging foes, like the Selecids, if we work together. Minor fronteir skirmishes with the Apasiacae promote northern expansion, and the Parthians expand into modern day Kazakhstan, where they encounter the Alans and Kwarezm. Through these tribesmen, word of the powerful Scythians comes to the leaders in Askhabad. The army scores increase by 0.25 following the war with Bactria.

189 BC

Romae Delenda Est 189BC

Europe: The cities of Sparta and Corinth are almost completely depleted of professional soldiers following their defeat at the Battle of Pelloponnesos Mouth, causing them both to recruit their untrained citizens to battle, gaining 5000 extra soldiers per city who have little to no fighting experience.

Europe: Fifty of the Carthaginian's Senate's ships pursue the Byzantine ships, leaving the port of Carthage with much less defence than usual.

Europe: Mago's fleet finishes repairs and resupplies in the newly conquered Ziz, Sicily.

Africa: The victory at the naval battle for the Pillars of Hercules greatly hurts the part of the Hannibalic navy patroling that area, but seals off the Pillars for the Senate's navy for the time being.

Africa: The Tuareg tribes come together in an tribal confederation due to increased tensions between their tribes and the Berbers, with a common defence in mind for all the Tuareg tribes.

Middle-East: Judea continues to trade with all its new trade partners, even the Ptolemaics, causing their economy to grow and help expansion with their trade partners economies.

Asia: Tensions arise between Parthia and the Seleucids as claims on Seleucid lands arise.

Asia: Tensions arise between the Mauryan Empire and its recently rebelled dynasties, but no war has been made yet.

Asia: Talks of unification between the two Burmese nations begin as reports of wars and tensions all around them spark a need for defence of their people.

Asia: The civil war in Qin China continues as the Han gain more support, with 10,000 peasants pledging themselves to the Han, armed with farm equipment such as rakes and hoes.

North America: Tensions arise between the Hopewell cultures in North America from many different land claims from all the tribes. War seems imminent.

Central America: Mixtec and Zapotec disagreements gradually die down as their dispute is mostly resolved.

South America: A small hunter-gather tribe that call themselves the Andteni arise in OTL Southern Argentina.

You forgot my gains from two years ago. iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 09:32, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more, after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop it from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We begin conscripting soldiers to fight for the nation, although we only conscripted ex-soldiers, who does not exceed 50 years of age. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. Our army Han Xin leads 30,000 soldiers, including

  • 5000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 5000 dagger-axe man
  • 10,000 cavalry
  • 10,000 Halbred wielders

Zhang Liang lead another 30,000 including 

  • 10,000 expert swordman
  • 5000 sharpshooters with arrows
  • 5000 sharpshooters with crossbows
  • 5000 dagger-axe man
  • 5000 tribal cavalry

We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed back to China and into Qingdao. Han Xin goes from Shanghai, Ningbo, Fuzhou and Chouzhou and down from the shoreline. Zhang Liang goes from Anching, Jiujiang, Ganzhou and southwards. Xiao He goes from Wuhan, Changsha, Hengyang and southwards. Finally, they will meet in Guangzhou. Han Xin begins attacking Ning Bo as Zhang Liang atttacks Anching. We ask Korea for military supplies and soldiers.

Yamato Japan: Some new farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. A few more shrines are built. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: After the victory over the Frisians, the newly required territory is scouted and some rebels that are still roaming the territory are hunted out. The king goes on a tour of the newly conquered land and every protester is executed to bring fear in their hearts. Agriculture and cities grow and so does the population (economy + 0.25). The army is demobilized. Storytellers go along the different tribes to tell stories about the awesomeness of the Kingdom of The Low Lands as propaganda.

Byzantine Empire: Using newly trained professional soldiers from Macedon, Thracia and Thessaly, a third army is created numbering about 30,000. They continually force the Spartan army, at an obvious disadvantage to their numerical superiority, towards the now captured city of Corinth sandwiching the Spartans between two powerful armies and the coastal navy of the Byzantines. The other armies total about 50,000 altogether. (My ships came back) and take the city of Corinth and turn around using the surprise to aid the other advancing army which is continuously pushing the Spartans closer and closer without a battle. The Spartans are expected to be starved out within the next two years as their army cannot be supplied via Sparta or any other vector. The battle takes place just a few miles from the city of Corinth on the coast and the army is defeated but just barely. With the majority of the army defeated and all that's left of the rebellion the city of Sparta, the rebellion is doomed. That Nation of Epirus is influenced using common culture. The city of Halicarnassus and the surrounding lands are influenced using the Dual Common culture.  Because of the large number of battles, the generals are fighting and winning, the experience allows the army to be upgraded by 0.25

Hannibalic Carthage: Once the fifty ships are seen to have left Carthage, a majority of Hannibals and Mago's navy from Sicily and Corsica sail for Carthage. (algo successful). Surprising the Senate, the navy sails straight towards Carthage, engaging in a naval battle right outside its port. For many hours, ships were rammed, some captured, some burned, but in the end, Hannibal's and Mago's navy defeated the Senates at Carthage itself, burning one of the larger of the Senates ships and casting it off towards the port, where it rams right into it; creating a message for the Senate. Hannibal's navy now blocks all trade coming over the seas from coming into the Senate's Carthage, while Hannibal and Mago prepare their armies to siege Carthage. With the wartime experiance for Carthaginian generals, and the expansion of the entire of Hannibalic Carthage to include standing armies that are not composed of mercenaries, with the ability to supply and feed them, we upgrade our army by 0.25. Hasdrupal manages to recruit another 2000 Celtiberians to his army while guarding the land just past the Pillars of Hercules, bringing his army to 19,000 men. Due to Hannibal's recent victories with his brothers at the Pillars, on both land and sea, at Sicily, in both land and sea, and the victory against the Senate's navy, he sends an envoy to Carthage. The terms are that the Senate shall not be harmed if they surrender willingly, and will be able to stay in Carthaginian territories if they swear loyalty to Hannibal. However, those that do not will be exiled to Maleth (Malta) where they will live the rest of their lives. 

Havana Tribes: The people of the Havana tribe continues to build its population by expanding along the areas discovered by past scouts sent out. The Havana people continue to look out at the vast body of water that lays before them wondering what maybe beyond their home.

Roman Republic: The economy is upgraded 0.25 as the gained territories give Rome a better chance for agriculture inside northern Italy, the expansion of the Roman republic begins but the slow land takens are an unexpected factor, as Rome expected to assure its control strongly.plans for the next Cisalpine invasion begin to be prepared, and the Limes Germanicum is flooded with Roman soldiers protecting its borders from the German tribes.

Ptolemaic Egypt:  Anatolia is secured as the citizens are loyal. Defenses are made in that area. Striped African horses are crossed with Arabian horses for the Ptolemaic cavalry. Explorers continue to make further inroads into Africa. Colonies expand south of the border. Arabian states are influenced.  Striped horses are continued to be bred and trained. African elephants are also trained in large amounts.

Pontus: Orontes in dead, but an Orontic army in north-eastern Armenia numbering 6000 men has taken up position. To counter this, Alexander has brought with him the 4000 Armenian volunteers and 14,000 troops, 6000 infantry and 8000 cavalry, and moves south-east. He takes undefended fortresses and towns and drives north-east towards the rear of the Orontic army, at the border of Colchis. As the Orontic army turns around, they lose cohesion which allows Alexander to charge through their left flank as the navy bombards the right. The enemy center, spears dropped to the ground because of turning and loss of cohesion, is charged by the cataphracts, who completely rout the unprepared enemy. The routing infantry is chased and captured by the light cavalry. With this, the northern half of Central Armenia and North Armenia are in Pontic hands.     

187 BC

Europe: The rebellion ends in Sparta in Corinth. However, some dissenters remain in the areas. 
Romae Delenda Est 187BC

Europe: The Cispaline Gauls begin to ask their neighbors for alliance so as to defend themselves from the Roman aggression. 

Europe: The Saxons immediately experience relief from their famine as the food they grow and have stored can go immediately to their people.

Africa: The senate surrenders to Hannibal through the envoy. Before Hannibal arrives back to Carthage. However, some of the Senators flee to Aynook Celcia in an attempt to completely avoid Hannibal and his terms.

Africa: The Tuareg tribes begin agricultural development on a larger scale, allowing for a larger population.

Africa: The Berber tribes ally themselves with Numidia due to the recent emergence of the Tuareg tribes.

Middle-East: Judea begins an expansion on their city of Jerusalem to add another wall for their  increased population.

Middle-East: The nation of Atropatene rebels against the Seleucids due to the numerous civil conflicts and immediately ally themselves with the Armenians who share a border with them.

Asia: Parthian-Seleucid tensions continue to grow.

Asia: Bactricia attempts to expand to the east so as to get farther away from Parthia, but the loss of their capital city and numerous farming lands prevent any expansion due to lack of food and morale in the people.

Asia: Talks between the two Burmese tribes ends in bloodshed as one tribal king is killed during the negotiations, leading to a war between the two tribes.

Asia: The civil war continues in China as numerous raids and attacks are conducted by the Han. 

Asia: In wake of the recent war between the Han and Qin, Xiongnu final becomes a tribal confederation between most of their tribes.

Asia: Papuan tribes begin to settle differences and emerge as a tribal chiefdom in central New Guinea.

North America: The Ohio, Swift Creek and Crab Orchard tribes begin war against each other due to a disagreement on a chief level.

Central America: The Maya's continue expansion, and the Mixtecs and Zapoltecs begin to discuss the possibilities of a union between their peoples.

South America: The Amazonian tribes begin to expand eastwards in hopes of finding the source or the end of their Amazonian river.

Kingdom of The Low Lands:  The king dies on 16 February by poison. The leader of the Frisian rebels is the main suspect and is executed together with 1000 other Frisian rebels and are hung by the Hhe is succeeded by his 21-year old son Janus, King of The Low Lands, Patron of the Belgican people, Ruler of the Frisians, etc. He is more interested in the sea than his father and he wants, and gets, an expedition to the north. After the punishment, the Frisian rebel eases out and peace returns. The administration improves by dividing the kingdom into provinces. Secret: We send supplies to the Ciscalpine Gauls. I just read that you don't need a casus belli for tribes so can my stability be 47???

Just did it for you. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 17:35, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China.

Byzantine Empire: With the Spartan Army completely destroyed, and their male population completely leveled The new King/Emperor of the Byzantine empire orders the cities Militaristic tendencies toned down. The city is - for the most part - left alone and the Empire begins to rebuild the cities such as Corinth. The King of Sparta is executed as a traitor as are most of his generals except the very few who openly surrendered the city to Emperor Alexander following the very obviously hopeless situation. While surrender is usually considered a total breach in Spartan customs, many of the people do not think any more ill of the generals. One of the generals, named after the Leonidas of the Battle of Thermopylae, is appointed the new King/Governer of Sparta and is tasked which utilizing the fiercely loyal to Alexander, Byzantine occupation force of about 10,000 to secure Sparta to prevent any further dissent. The city of Corinth, however, has a Senator's son appointed as its governor and a force of 5000 is used to occupy the city. All of the very few mercenaries who have survived the rebellion are paid off and the Professional Army is Rebuilt up to about 75,000 utilizing a very effective training program to recruit 20,000 over these past two years, and another 15,000 to be recruited in the following year. The two Thracian provinces have become for the most part culturally integrated using their hellenistic base to bridge any gaps between the Thracians and the Macedonians/Greeks. The Thracians are even allowed to establish a few towns and settlements in Thrace Proper to establish more unity and make it look like the Macedonian/Greek settlement of some Thracian lands are not one sided. The Empire begins to rebuild the very few ships it lost during the rebellion. The Byzantine Navy escorts the previously senate-controlled navy back to Carthage and hands them back over to Hannibal.  Epirus is continually influenced and is to be put on the ballot for eventual cultural exchange due to its Greek heritage. The Increased movement to the colony to escape the war has expanded the population of New Kydonia to almost 25,000 with the colony expanding heavily. The city of Halicarnassus and its surrounding lands in Anatolia are influenced moderately continually securing the support of medium level politicians. The city of Byzantium continues to expand using its center of the Empire status to now surpass most of the other Greek Cities. The Population of the Empire grows to about 5.2 million a very large Baby Boom having occurred from all the returning soldiers starting families and having children.  The Empire requests trade with the Kingdom of Judea (RNG).

  • Kingdom of Judea (RNG: 4): We accept trade with the Byzantine Empire.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Hannibal wishes to extend his thanks to the Macedonian Empire  for their supplies and returning of the Carthaginian ships back to Carthage.

​Qart-Haradast (Hannibal's Carthage): Hannibal returns to Carthage with his fleet, victorious, and lands at the Carthaginian port with his brothers and son. They ride atop a North African elephant through the city with their Iberian soldiers, in a parade fashion. They parade and ride all the way to the palace at the center of Carthage where Hannibal is ceremoniously proclaimed Sophet once more alongside Magnoid. The first act of Hannibal, once again Sophet (Called king by other cultures), is to return the armies back to Iberia and their families to begin farming once more and return to their families. Now that Carthage is once more united, the population of Macomedes grows as it gains more supplies and actual citizens, as it had been neutral in the civil war. The Senate is wholy disbanded by Hannibal and Magnoid, and those that have sworn loyalty to Hannibal, as promised, are allowed to stay in Carthage and every Carthaginian territories. Those that do not, however, and haven't escaped, are sent to Maleth to be used as slaves, or to be crucified. Hannibal does not pursue the Senators that fled to Aynook Celcia so as not to strain his recently-unified nation any more. In order to figure out the population and the taxes of the population of the reunified Carthage, which may have lost citizens, gained new ones, or have moved, Hannibal orders that a Xamm-Ruh (Census) be taken of the population of Carthage, so as to determine taxes, army size, army composition, and population. The First Xamm-Ruh reports that there are 7.5 million citizens, slaves, and freemen. The population is expected to fluctuate wildly as Carthage is a trade empire which allows for random growths and losses. The Xamm-Ruh estimates that there are 75,000 men who can be recruited from Iberia to fight for Carthage, and just barely 20,000 Carthaginians that can be recruited into the army from Non-Iberia Carthage.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Trading ships navigating to India are blown off cource and land in Kenya. The Macedonians are driven out of Anatolian ports.The theory of Herodotus becomes generally accepted in Ptolemaic society. It is proven that the Earth is round and theoretically if one sails beyond the Gibraltar Straits, you could reach Asia. This theory is leaked to Carthegene. By now Egypt is heavily trading with silks and spices from India, and selling them at very high prices, benefitting the economy. The Arabian peninsula and East Africa gradually come under Egypt's sphere of influence. Greeks that have revolted against the Macedonian overlords are offered safe refuge in Ptolemaic lands. Due to trade and agriculture the economy is upgraded +0.25. Nabatea is invaded because they object to Egypt's dominance in the Red Sea, and are conquered. The previous king is killed but the common people are treated fairly and they are given citizenship.

It will take more than one algorithm to take out Nabatea.. you'll have to fight them again next. turn.#LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 01:19, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Havana Tribes: The people of Havana have enjoyed its gradual population growth in their homeland. With the success with the last set of scouts on the island the continue along following the last path that was created along the southern part of the island still following the beach. The recent discovery of a plant that produces a soft puffball at the end of it has been discovered and has become a very valuable trade item. This increases their economy by 0.25. The people of Havana continue to look across their crystal clear water still wondering what's beyond.

Pontus: Mithridates orders the re-construction of infrastructure to improve the war-torn economy (+0.25 economy) and encourages childbirth. While there is still support for the war, Alexander embarks on one last campaign. He manages to lure all the remaining Orontic forces, 10,000 strong, to a battle at the border of the Seleucid Empire. Alexander gathers a 65,000 man strong army from the main Pontic Army. They form ranks and begin the battle by the artillery unleashing a salvo of missiles on the Armenian formation. The enemy breaks formation and a general charge happens. They lose cohesion from missile fire but some still manage to close in. The Pontic cataphracts manage to break through the Orontic cavalry and go straight for their archers and into the rear of the enemy. The infantry routs and the Pontic light cavalry chase them down. Alexander enters the enemy capital with a triumph and he immediately begins the recovering process and helps gain the Armenians' trust. All of Armenia falls into Pontic hands.

  • Pontic D: We invite the Byzantines to help us mediate a peace treaty with the remaining loyalist Armenians.
  • Byzantine D: We will mediate (please make an end of war treaty on the treaty page)

185 BC

Europe: The Romans continue to advance themselves along their expansionist path. The Saxons grow a bit stronger with somewhat of the ability to take on their former Germanic brethren. The Celticans, due to their close ties and trade with Rome, get closer to advancing their next tier.  Byzantine control over Greece and much of Southern and Eastern Europe has been solidified with the ending of Sparta's military might. 
Romae Delenda Est 185BC


Africa: Carthage, now with a concluded civil war and large population drop, deals with some issues with paying for the rebuilding of various cities that were beseiged and damaged by the conflict. Numidia begins to consolidate and urbanize to a degree to copy Carthage and make itself a powerful nation. While Numidia wishes to remain trade partners and friends with Carthage it does not wish to be a Vassal.


Middle East: With Egypt going to war with Nabatea and the alienation of many of the larger trade guilds in Ptolemic Anatolia, the trade guilds begin to rise up in a riot for the perceived destruction of their trading business and livelihood as it looks as if the Egyptians have kicked the Byzantines out without reasoning. With the trade situation in the Eastern Mediterreanan looking to cost some for the Byzantines this year it's very possible that a conflict will occur.The neglected Egyptian navy remains very inefficient compared to other nations' navies with only about 120 ships to be ready for combat.  The Pontics are limited in any further conquest with their army and the Armenian army being heavily depleted and the ability for them to hold much of their gained territory severely diminished. The Pontic people are tired of war and wish to finally sign an end to the war with Armenia and turn for inward improvement while the population rebuilds from the heavy losses suffered.


Asia: The Qin and the Han engage in full out warfare with each dynasty maintaining equal ground in the fighting. The Burmese nations continue to fight. However, their equality in numbers and equipment is leading the conflict nowhere. The Parthian tensions with the Seleucids subside for now. However, Seleucid and Egyptian tensions are being once again stressed the breaking point.


North America: The Tribal wars continue with the possibility of a Uniting civilization coming about and starting something greater.


South/Central America: The Mixtecs and Zapotecs continue their eventual unification. The Amazonian tribes continue to expand.



Byzantine Empire: Following Egypt's undue throwing out of Byzantine merchants, the Byzantine Empire declares a state of emergency over it with the Ptolemaic kingdom. The Byzantine Empire deploys 40,000 troops into Anatolia and recruits another 20,000 mercenaries into the army bringing the total at 60,000 soldiers consisting of

20,000 Anatolian mercs (majority of Anatolia's mercenaries since another 20,000 died in the Pontic war with Armenia.)

20,000 Cavalry of differing origin

5000 Cretian Archers

5000 of the Newly Created Emperors legion

15,000 Phalanx Legionaires

5000 Horse Archers.

The Empire warns that the Ptolemaics have no reason to throw out our traders and that they must be let back into their Anatolian provinces, especially since large scale Byzantine trading guilds operate out of Halicarnassus alongside/with the local guilds. The Empire also builds more ships increasing the number to almost 500. with almost 350 of these being deployed in the Eastern Mediterreanan preventing the Egyptians from sending any ships out without having to challenge a vastly superior Byzantine navy. This naval centric focus allows for the naval score to upgrade by 0.25. With the Byzantine navy in effect blocking all Ptolemaic movements to their Anatolian provinces, the Egyptians must make their next move carefully with their woefully neglected navy. The Byzantines begin to work out how to field larger armies. The empire begins to focus its economy heavily on the expansion of agriculture to help large scale expansion of the empire's populace. Hints are taken from Carthage to help vastly develop agriculture. The city of Rhodes fields another 15,000 troops using its recent population boom to establish the city garrison. The cities of Athens and Rhodes also begin to gear much of their ship building efforts towards military building to prevent overextension of the Imperial treasury of having to procure ships in awkward and less profitable ways. Modified trade ships have also been included in the massive naval effort in the Eastern Mediterrenean. The ships are used to fully isolate Egypt from her Anatolian territory and Cyprus in a full effort to bring her to the diplomatic tables. The Scythians and Epirus are continually influenced.

Roman Republic: The economy is upgraded 0.25 as the gained territories give Rome a better chance for agriculture inside northern Italy, the expansion of the Roman republic begins but the slow land takens are an unexpected factor, as Rome expected to assure its control strongly. The Limes Germanicum is flooded with Roman soldiers protecting its borders from the German tribes.

Havana Tribes: The discovery of 'cotton' has become a very valuable item among the people of Havana, using it as blankets or clothing. The Havana people move into the explored areas of their land and begin to set up shop there.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop them from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We begin conscripting soldiers to fight for the nation, although we only conscripted ex-soldiers, who does not exceed 50 years of age. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed back to China and into Qingdao. We continue to battle the Han Dynasty and we proposly left Xiangyang unguarded while we construct a makeshift dam in Danjiang.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: The recent naval expedition is a success because we met other tribes like the Picts and the British Tribes. In both lands a delegate is sent to the various tribes to secure trade possibilities and friendship. Furthermore, the OTL Orkney Islands are discovered and are claimed for The Kingdom of The Low Lands. More ships with settlers are sent and a small tradepost is founded. To sustain the new naval expansion, more ships are built and navy is upgraded to 1.50. We ask for a trade agreement with The Roman Republic and also ask if we can learn how to produce better ships and weapons. In exchange, we will declare war on the Ciscalpine Gauls. Forts are constructed along the border with the Gauls.

Qart-Haradast (Carthage): Now that both Carthages are finally united, civil and political duties have begun to return to normal. Hasdrupal returns to governing at Iberia, which was relatively untouched by the war save for the soldiers that came from there. The Xamm-Ruh (Census) allows for the population to actually be taxed, and fairly so, which was previously not possible for Carthage. This allows for a much higher tax income simply because they are able to actually get taxes from the people. These funds are used to pay mercenaries to rebuild the areas touched by war, which are just Ziz and the port of
Magos Journey

Mago's planned Journey. He is currently stopped in Ill de Certe (Qirist-Annon).

Carthage. Agriculture returns to almost completely normality which allows for higher food shipments to Macomedes, who's population grows to much larger levels of 10,000, to the point that smaller and more outlying towns have developed along current Euphranta province. Trade has recovered from the civil war and our economy has grown by 0.25 due to increased merchant activities. Mago returns to being the governor of Sicily, Corisca, and smaller islands. His first action is to sail with some trade ships, and a small military force, following the same route as Hanno The Navigator. Hamilicar II becomes a member of the Council of A Hundred And Four through popular election. Many of the oligarchal elements have been shrunked through the civil war, leading to noble families holding less of a political standing in Carthage due to their unpopularity from supporting the Senate. Mago's route leads him to establish a colony along the OTL Moroccan coast. Its current purpose is that his ships can resupply but recently, the ability to create purple dyes in the region creates a special interests for all would-be businessmen. The colony is named Orsit-Annon or Hanno's Province.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China.

Hausa: The Hausa begin their invasion of Kano, killing most of the men and enslaving the women and children. With his new sword, Bayajidda slays many of his enemies in the conquest of Kano, killing the king of the city and taking his wives and daughters for himself as his spoils. With the city under his command, Bayajidda declares the formation of the Hausa Kingdom. He orders the expansion of his army (+0.25 army) from 5000 men to 10,000 men, with a force of 2000 swordsmen, 2000 archers, and 1000 cavalry.

Celtica: The leader of the Veneti begins visiting surrounding tribes. Veneti influence grows in the area. These messages of courage and leadership allows for the stability to rise.

Pontus: Mithridates takes the first steps of re-vitalizing the economy by disbanding the extra recruits from the excessive volunteers. It lowers the army from 105,000 to a still money-draining but more stable 80,000 man army. He also welcomes Alexander home with a parade around Amasia and Sinope. He orders a research on new agricultural techniques to bolster the war-torn economy (+ 0.25 economy). He promotes health care and childbirth to make up for the massive war losses. He gives an honorable funeral to those who dies and gives financial aid to their families. On the bright side, there are a lot more land to farm on for the homeless and war-torn poor. We also start the standard procedure of integrating Armenians, just like the Galatians. We rebuild the destroyed country by repairing the infrastructure and roads destroyed by atillery. We also rebuild their walls and host Games to promote co-operation and unity.

  • Pontus: We accept the Byzantine agreements and place 10,000 men on our border with Egypt in a purely defensive stance, as provocation is not good for the economy.

Ptolemaic Egypt: Defenses in Anatolia especialy in ports and near the border are built up. Merchants who wnat to trade with us need to have special passes which may be given to them by the government. Ships from the Red Sea fleet are moved to the Mediterranean for security. Navy ships patrol the coasts around all Ptolemaic ports. Macedonia has to agree that they will not attack or seize Ptolemaic territory for trading passes. More ships are built (navy +0.25) Horses and elephants are continued to be bred for the army. By the end of the year Egypt has more war elephants than any other country alone. We seek a military alliance with Rome and Seleucid empire. Agricultural system continues to be reformed. Ships from the Red Sea fleet sail around Somalia and explore the eastern coast of Africa, claiming it for Egypt. Also the final resistance in Nabatea is quelled.

You don't have the ability to move ships from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. You also have no way to re-inforce your ports with ships without fighting the Byzantines as they pretty much have Anatolia cut off from you. Also the war in Nabatea has not been completed your previous algo was not completed correctly and you would still require two more (to sieze the city proper considering you attacked out of nowhere). #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 01:53, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

You are historically implausible! Ships go to the Mediterranean via the Red Sea-Nile canal. You also can't cut me off since I have navy bases in Anatolia and Cyprus. You can't even go out of the Aegean.

VX-641 (talk) 02:00, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Greek Ships have historically colonized areas of the Mediterraanean. just because they never left the Aegean OTL doesn't mean they couldn't. Considering the fact the Byzantine Navy is supplied by a more vast area than Greece proper so my ships being able to move on you are plausible. Also, the fact I blockaded Anatolia for the most part is due to the fact you barely control any of it and Cyprus is not in Anatolia proper. Also, you have no way to get anyone to Rome to ask for an alliance.. and you upgraded last turn.. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 02:10, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

183 BC

Europe: Saxon growth continues, both agriculturally and militarily. 
Romae Delenda Est 183BC

Europe: Roman expansion continues due to their policies against foreigners and their cultures.

Europe: While the military responsible for the rebellion is destroyed in Greece, the political sponsor of it has been relatively untouched. However, most have also been relegated to a position that does not enable them to revolt again.

Africa: Stories of the new Hausa Kingdom and its recent conquest of the Kano reach many tribes in the area, causing some to send gifts and tribute to avoid the same fate.

Africa: Berber merchants make contact with Numidia, beginning a trade relationship with the more powerful nation. 

Middle-East: The war between the Ptolemaic's and Nabatean city-states continues as all of the Nabatean cities still stand.

Middle-East: The Seleucids accept the alliance with the Ptolemaics, hoping to renew relations with their former competitor and to avoid any costly war between both sides.

Asia: The Han and the Qin conflicts continue to lead nowhere except for internal dissent in both nations.

Asia: Polynesian tribesmen begin a culture of sea travel and colonies, creating a small tribal kingdom in the Pacific.

North America: The Swift Creek begin to be seen as the greatest fighters in North America due to their continued success against both sides.

North America: The Hohokam tribes continue to expand into OTL Baja California.

Central America: Mayan expansion continues but is stressed by a lack of agricultural development.

Central America: Mixtec and Zapotec talks of unification continue with no clear endpoint in the negotiations.

South America: Quiet two years.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China. The navy is improved and its score increases by 0.25.

Roman Republic: The economy is upgraded 0.25 as the gained territories give Rome a better chance for agriculture inside northern Italy, the expansion of the Roman republic begins but the slow land takens are an unexpected factor, as Rome expected to assure its control strongly.plans for the next Cisalpine invasion begin to be prepared, and the Limes Germanicum is flooded with Roman soldiers protecting its borders from the German tribes. The invasion of the Cisalpine Gaul continues as the remaining Roman troops continue now with an army of 60.000 soldiers: 40.000 legions and 20.000 mercenaries.

  • The Kingdom of The Low Lands asks (again) for a trade agreement with The Roman Republic and also ask if we can learn how to produce better ships and weapons. In exchange, we will declare war on the Ciscalpine Gauls.

Ptolemaic Egypt: An investigation reveals a kind of trading mafia operating in the ports district. They are accused of smuggling and espionage, and are believed to work with several Macedonian merchants. By closing down the ports temporarily it was possible to track their movements and apprehend them. Now as trade has fully resumed passes are given to honest trusted Macedonian merchants. Information security is not best in the Ptolemaic Egypt right now. By now all cities and strategic points in Anatolia have heavy fortifications. By the calculations of military strategists, any army who tries to attack us will suffer heavy losses to gain this territory. Also  the fortifications in Sinai and Eastern Libya are built up in a similar fashion. Unknown to the rest of the world, the Red Sea fleet explores the eastern coastline of Africa. Small colonies are settled in Kenya and Somalia. The Ptolemy Pharaoh sends explorers to find the source of the Nile but they don't come back. It is presumed they have been killed by tribesmen or died of malaria.

Did you not see the Mod Event made by the OTHER Mod ... Nabatea still stands completely.... #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 17:55, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Also, most of your nation scores are completely wrong. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:17, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

What ?

Eiplec and I have upgraded every turn. For every turn our scores would be the highest. You have not upgraded or posted every turn. There is no way your scores would be above ours. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 19:30, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

By the way you have no way of expanding yourself that fast to border with Axum. That's highly implausible #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 23:22, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Havana Tribes: The people of Havana continue to expand along explored ares of the last scouts that were sent out to explore the island. With people beginning to wonder what is beyond the waters of their home the people of the Havana try to build a multi-man ship that could carry them to another land and maybe meet people like them. This expands their navy by 0.25

Byzantine Empire: With Trade rights being opened the military position is relaxed. However, a permanent force of 100 warships is deployed with reserves ranging from 50 to 80 being held in the city of Rhodes. The Eastern Med is consistantly under Byzantine control and most ships are seen passing through the area. The Remaining ships escort a large grouping of colony vessels establishing a major colony in OTL Libya. The mercenaries are sent home and replaced with the local garrisons and a local army numbering about 30,000 together. This is done so native Greeks and Macedonians can go home. The city of Halicarnassus is continually influenced as is Scythia. The population begins to grow again with the Empire's increased focus on agriculture and efficient roads and highway systems facilitating this growth. The Empire seeing the resources of maintaining major colonies too great establishes a doctrine of hands off colonialism allowing their colonies major degrees of autonomy but having them tied to the mother country more as Vassals then colonies. The colony of New Kydonia reaches a population of 25,000 and is semi-selfsufficient 
Greek colony of Ars

New Greek Colony

and becomes the current defining line for Greek colony cities to become part of the new doctine. The other colony named Ars begins to expand at a semi moderate pace with some immigration coming about. The colony of Ars is located next to a nearby Carthaginian colony. New Kydonia now called Dugora continues mass trade with the Byzantine Empire and begins to generate some of its own economic prosperity using its central trade location to fuel its growth. Both Colonies are still provided for militarily by the Byzantine empire. The Empire continues to influence Epirus attempting to overtake its own culture with trade among other things.

  • Byzantine D: We ask that Carthage and the Byzantine empire come to an agreement over Libya by splitting it in half.

Celtica: The leader of the Veneti continues to improve relations with surrounding tribes. Veneti influence grows in the area.

Qart-Haradast (Carthage): Agriculture in Iberia continues to grow from continued use of the iron plow and multiple agricultural styles that become mixed and matched to produce the most and the best goods. Food shipments continues to Macomedes, which expands southwards from mostly merchant actions due to the purple dye that is found in the area settled. The settlements around Macomedes continue to grow but at a much lesser rate, becoming just farming and living space with wooden walls. Orsit-Annon, the newer colony established by Mago, begins some growth, with Iberian farmers travelling to the area in search of new farmlands. The local Berber tribes are paid to provide soldiers and areas of interest around the colonies, providing protection as well as local geography. Hannibal begins a new series of citizen reforms to account for the Iberians, who account for much of Carthage's new standing army. As of now, Iberians hold freeman status, rather than foreigner, a large step up. They can become full citizens by joining the military, which would allow their participation in local elections, and allow them to hold much more land. This reform also pertains to multiple foreigners such as Libyans, Berbers, Numidians, etc. Influence on the Numidians continues. .

Pontus: Mithridates orders a massive re-inforcement and fortification of the southern front. He begins this by touring Galatia for support and recruiting 6000 men. He also tries a different fortress design on all cities by making it star-shaped and modifying the deployment so that an enemy couldn't assault one side without being attacked from another side. The southern cities are also stocked as if for a siege and the army, which has mostly been in field battles, have been taught raiding, very quick maneuver and reaction, and siegecraft. The navy hasn't also been idle, training in maneuver and firepower. By the end of its two year program, it can now reach Salamis-in-Cyprus from Sinope in two months, assuming it can gain access to cross the Hellespont. The economy and population is finally making major recovery from the Armenian War. He also funds and starts an intelligence and assassin system.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: The colony on the OTL Orkney Islands grows. The newly discovered islands are named "The High Hill Islands", Hill Islands short. An ambitious sailor that sailed with the first expedition asks the fresh king for permission for a new expedition to the north. the reason for this is that fishermen saw the edges of what could be an island. He get's permission and preparaitions are made. More men are trained for the military because we want a professional army is the forces are mobilized.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop them from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We begin conscripting soldiers to fight for the nation, although we only conscripted ex-soldiers, who does not exceed 50 years of age. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed back to China and into Qingdao. We continue to battle the Han Dynasty and we send a few spies, saying that Xiangyang is unguarded and is filled with military supplies and riches while we finish the makeshift dam in Danjiang. We upgrade the army score to Our navy attacks Han ports, such as Ningbo and Fuzhou.

Inuits: The various Inuit tribes of North America continue in small scale internal tribal warfare, which causes many small tribes to be annexed into larger ones, creating less tribal divisions, if albeit, more powerful ones. The Inuit tribes in the east launch an attack on the tribes to their west, in the hope that they can secure more land, integrate their peoples, and reach the plentiful shores of the great water body to their east. This is mainly down to the war mongering tribal leaders of the east, who have grown up in a culture of raiding by their neighbours on their hard earned resources. This is a very strong driving force for the tribal warriors, who believe this war to be just revenge for centuries of pillaging. The Inuit tribes to the north continue to expand among the many islands. The various tribes begin to develop their agriculture independently, as the winters of recent years have been very harsh.

181 BC

Europe: The Aoenogic colony in Iceland stabilizes and begins to grow after many years of famine.

Europe: The Roman army grows after a small population boom in southern Italia.

Europe: A small fire breaks out in Byzantium, destroying much of the lower-class housing and some of the merchant district but otherwise, the city is untouched.

Europe: The Sarmatian tribes above Scythia begin to centralize into a tribal chiefdom, and their culturally similarities leads to a large scale trade agreement with Scythia.

Africa: The recent Byzantine colony of Ars is raided by local Libyan tribesmen who kill some of the recent colonists and they raid food storages as well.

Africa: Hannibal's
Romae Delenda Est 181BC
health begins to decline as he reaches the age of 66. 

Africa: Khoisan tribes arise after local Bantu tribal raids leads to a need for a common defense.

Middle-East: The Ptolemaic-Nabatean war continues.

Asia: The Mauryan Dynasty in India is overthrown and replaced with the Sunga dynasty in a coup by citizens and the Sunga.

Asia: The Han and the Qin civil war continues as civil unrest begins to mount in both nations due to the long war. 

Asia: Yamato influence of the other Japanese nations is great, to the point that the other nations consider Yamato to be the greater of the Japanese people.

North America: The Crab Orchard tribes begin to prevail against the Swift Creek, and other tribes in the war.

North America: The possiblity of the Laurel tribes becoming involved in the tribal war leads to talks of peace as many tribes wish to end the bloodshed.

Central America: The Zapotec and Mixtec consider a confederal unity between their nations but (RNG: 5) the talks go nowhere.

South America: Amazonian expansion continues as agricultural growth prompts a population growth.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China.

Byzantine Empire: The Empire expands its colony of Ars and sends about 5000 troops to protect the colony. A minimal practice of trying to agriculturalize the area inside or surrounding the colony is embarked upon. King Alexander marries a high level princess of Sparta preventing the remaining Spartan leadership from rising up again against the Byzantines. The King also orders that the remainder of the lower class housing torn down and replaced with more substantial and nicer housing. The affected areas of the merchant district are repaired. The Empire's navy is continually improved upon with about 20 more ships being built bringing the number of ships to about 520. The Rams are also heavily replaced with higher quality iron This increases naval score by 0.25 The Imperial army begins drills beginning to largely integrate
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libyan expansion.

Thracians into the army allowing them in the Legionary Phalanx and more prestigious units. The city garrisons of Appolonia and Thessalonica are increase to 8000 each. The naval forces in the Eastern Mediterrenean continue their patrols. Halicarnassus and the rest of that area of Anatolia is continually influenced. Scythia is continually influenced. Epirus is influenced to a lesser degree. The Empire continues to consolidate itself. Population growth finally resumes at a normal rate with the population of the Empire reaching 5.7 million after many years of trying to facilitate growth. The colony of Ars grows to about 6000 people with the city garrison being used to maintain order throughout the area highly to prevent more raids. 
  • Dugora: Dugora and its surrounding lands continue to expand with Egyptian, and Carthaginian fabrics and raw materials being traded for Byzantine goods being one of the cities mainstays. More or less the Carthaginian side than the Egyptian side. The colony also heavily arms itself managing to bring about 5000 local men from the Polis and another 5000 Libyan mercenaries bringing the colonies defenses to 10,000 total. The city itself, has more robust walls built in place of the Wooden Palisades. Dugora begins to take Ars under its wing and uses its more heavy pull with Byzantium to allow for more resources to be put towards Ars.

Ptolemaic Egypt: More ships are built. Ports in Anatolia and Cyprus are expanded. The navy patrols make daily training maneuers around port waters. (navy + 0.25) Judea, Libya and areas in Anatolia are influenced. The Red Sea/Nile canal is expanded. Most of Nabatean cities are rebuilt. Military government is established there. Spice trade and wild animal trade are making Egypt rich. Colonies in Somalia and Kenya are fortified and expanded. Ptolemaic ships are docking in the ports of the Mauryan empire and trading. Much of the Indian Ocean coastline is charted. Further expeditions are sent along the east coats of Africa.

Eiplec has banned you. Please check your talk page. As it stands your banning has been doubled to four days. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:38, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Inuits: The various Inuit tribes of North America continue in small scale internal tribal warfare, with more small tribes being annexed into larger ones, creating even less tribal divisions, if albeit, more powerful ones. The Inuit tribes attack on the east is successful, and much land is seized along with peoples. However, the war mongering leaders of the eastern Inuit tribes don't see this as enough, and after re-inforcing their troops, decide to launch an all out attack on the last resistance of the Eastern Tribes. As the Eastern Tribe forces are now made up of what was left from the previous years of warfare, it is expected that this shall be an easier attack. The years of fighting have led to a change in Inuit tribal fighting style, with small groups of fighters attacking the much dispersed troops of their enemies. The Inuit tribes to the north continue to expand among the many islands. The various tribes begin to develop their agriculture independently, as the winters of recent years have been very harsh.

Pontus: The Pontic navy, expanded and upgraded with more protection and higher- iron grade ram tips, but still retains its speed (+ 0.25 navy), is ordered by Mithridates to go north to find some source of trade. They go and find some new land (Scythia) that they learned are part of a large empire stretching from the borders of Macedon up to the Caucasus. They agree to become trading partners and the Pontic navy comes back with the news. Mithridates now sets his eye on the Caucasus as a possible area of expansion and trade. He decides to invade Colchis so that he can share a border with Scythia, who are potential useful traders and allies. Due to this, he places in more funds for domestic recovery and he orders roads and supply wagons to be made. Roads are to be made with something that resembles cement. He also encourages people to support and love him by setting up monuments of victories and allows freedom of religion. He also decides to look south for possible areas of expansion. He declares the border with Egypt a military frontier and orders a construction of walls, stakes and trenches to help fortify the area. He also opens up businesses and industries to give more job opportunities and thereby help the economy. He also creates hospitals and fire stations to help reduce death, as the population is steadily expanding. He also starts to employ assassins and spies in his country to reduce crime and train them for future operations against other countries.

That needs an RNG Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 04:56, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

OK. Please do an RNG. iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 05:09, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

  • Scythian Diplomacy (RNG: 3): The Scythians agree to the trade proposal.
  • Tnx. iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 05:49, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Qart-Haradast (Carthage): Due to Hannibal's declining health, he has decided to have private meetings with his son to prepare him for his future as a Sophet of Carthage. He begins by explaining his own theories on trade, economics and government, as well as his ideal status of the Carthaginian military in hopes his son will achieve these things. Mago returns and begins a series of naval build-ups in Sicily and his surrounding government, building fifty new gallies, and forty new quintetriremes. As such, we upgrade our naval score by 0.25. The colony of Orsit-Annon continues its growth as Iberian agriculture is sent to help provide a stable food supply, and to promote more travel to the colony. Due to the recent reforms of Hannibal for citizenship, five thousand more Iberians choose the military life, as well as two-thousand Libyans that reside in Macomedes (They reside there due to some former Libyan mercenaries who chose to live in Carthaginian territories.). More iron begins to be refined into steel for Iberian-made swords expands greatly with a greater participation of Iberians in the Carthaginian military. Hasdrupal promotes the city of Mageterit which was a former military fort, as a city, citing more farmland and an access to rivers. 

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy: Mago sends a diplomat to the Berber tribes asking for trade between the Berbers and the local colony.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop them from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The Imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We begin conscripting soldiers to fight for the nation, although we only conscripted ex-soldiers, who do not exceed 50 years of age. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed back to China and into Qingdao. As Han Dynasty attacks Xiangyang, we destroy the dam in Danjiang, flooding the city and killing Han soldiers. We also get to 2.0 on our army score. We attack Wuhan and Ningbo, with many catapults built in Xiangyang and Xian. We send 30,000 each to attack the two cities, which are guarded by 40,000 soldiers each.

Kingdom of The Low Lands: More ships are built and as there are more trained men in the army, Military expands to 2.0. The new expedition finds a new island, The OTL Shetney Islands. We claim the land but can't colonize it right away. We ask for a trade agreement with The Roman Republic and also ask if we can learn how to produce better ships and weapons. In exchange, we will declare war on the Ciscalpine Gauls. The Frisians are happy with the changes that the Belgians brought - like roads and protection and other stuff. Some things that need to change in the map: 'OTL Orkney Islands is from the Kingdom of The Low Lands and 'OTL Northern Holland is from the Kingdom of The Low Lands and not from the Frisians.

Havana Tribes: All is well on the island, our explorers have gone inland to scout out more of the island.

179 BC

Europe: The city of Byzantium has successfully recovered from the fire. The Roman army continues to develop. Germania's inter conflict with the Saxons begins to develop further. The city of Syracuse begins to show signs of unrest
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Africa: The Berber Tribes begin to unite furthermore towards a more potent civilization. The colony of Ars is secured for the time being following the previous raid. The Carthaginian colony is showing prosperity.

Middle East: The Egyptians are forced out of Nabatea as the seiges look to be going nowhere and casualties are growing too high. The Seleucids continue showing signs of unrest.

Asia: The Chinese civil war continues. Civil unrest continues to occur on a lesser degree under the Sunga dynasty in India.

North America: The Innuits begin to expand looking for new resources conquering a nearby tribe.

South/Central America: The Mayans continue to expand and possibility of Zapotec and Mextec unification continues.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China.

Havana Tribes: We expand outward along the areas scouted by past explorers. Our tribesmen have found a certain bark that burns easily and has a calming effect on the body. Its value is worth the same if not more than cotton. This increases our economy by 0.25.

Roman Republic: The recovery of the Roman government begins rebuilding its army after the end of the Cisalpine wars, but with the capture of the last Gaul holdings in the Italian Alps an army of 100.000 soldiers and mercenaries of the Roman republic cross the Alpium reaching Germania Cisalpina (or near to the Alps Germania). The Roman forces establish a small vassalage treaty between the South German tribes of the Alpium after a war between Roman forces and Germans forces in which Rome turned victorious, While this, the remnants of the Cisalpine Gaul are divided in three parts, Liguria et etruria become part of the Roman republic while Piedmont becomes a Puppet state of the Roman republic established for the Gaul peoples.The Navy is built up by 0.25, the Limes Donaumannii is formed after the war ends with the Germans (Donau - German for Danube Man, etc).

Byzantine Empire: The empire begins more upscale construction in Byzantium. The Empire continually expands Ars from a small trading colony to a larger city trying to turn it into a coastal oasis. With water not being a major issue due to major shipments from the homeland the colony of Ars begins to expand a bit with Trees being planted locally in an attempt to secure viable topsoil for years to come. The Byzantine navy continues consistant patrols in the Eastern Mediterrenean. The Garrison of the Anatolian parts of the empire begin to form on the southern border with Egypt securing the Byzantine half of the border and establishing fortifications. The cities of Halicarnassus and Anatolia are continually influenced. Epirus and Scythia are continually influenced. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 03:30, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Dugora:The city continues to support Ars and also facilitates its own expansion along the coast. The population grows to about 35,000.

Pontus: Mithridates sends Alexander, his most experienced, young and trusted general, to the border with Egypt with artillery and men, bringing the strength of the frontier to 28,000 infantry, 12,000 cavalry, and 170 lithoballista. He also sends spies and assassins there. Supply dumps and supplies are prepared for an offensive or defensive campaign. Siege engines are being made and fortifications are being upgraded. The economical production is doubled as if it was geared for war again. Mithridates tours the whole Pontic kingdom to gain popularity and support.

When can my stability be 50 again?   iAmVictoriousVVWBTR (talk) 04:04, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

It takes a while ... it's not an easy process. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 04:09, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of The Low Lands: Some more farmland is created and new boats are built for fishing. Fishers settle on the OTL Shetland Islands, and they call it "The Fisher's Island" they get some minor supplies and the other colony growth stops after two harsh winters.

Qin China: The emperor stops more major construction projects, except the Great Wall of China. Confucianism is not oppressed any more after the emperor accepted and followed some of his son's advice, although legalism is still held at the highest esteem. Books of out-of-date practices are burnt to stop them from misjudging people, while tricksters and con artists are executed. The army is trained vigorously and the cavalry is trained to fight like the Xiongnu, Qin's greatest enemy. They are trained to fight like a migratory tribe, with a large emphasis on raiding and counter-raids. Also, they are trained on stealth and sneak attacks. The Imperial Family continues making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. The imperial army and spy system is sent to the Han Family to kill them. We begin conscripting soldiers to fight for the nation, although we only conscripted ex-soldiers, who do not exceed 50 years of age. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. We continue making a secret imperial spy system. The fleet sailed back to China and into Qingdao. We take our catapults and the victorious army of 40,000 from Ningbo and Wuhan attack Changsha. Half of the Qin navy goes to Dongting Lake to prepare to attack Changsha, while another half goes to Guanzhou to prepare to attack Panyu, the capital of Han. The 20,000 soldiers captured in Ningbo and Wuhan are conscripted and the government say that they can become citizens of Qin and be pardoned from all crimes they did before their capture as long as they take the city of Changsha. Hence, they have high morales since they are fighting for their freedom. We then send the 60,000 soldiers down to capture Changsha. After taking Changsha (algorithm Qin: 89.75 Han:67.66 Inner City Qin:84.83 Han:66.54)  we release the 16,000 prisoners and give the new prisoners the same offer. Then, we attack Panyu, which was a victory too (algorithm Qin: 87.98 Han:67.58 Inner City Qin:85 Han:66.5). We take the rest of the Han army (15,000) people and we tell them they can earn their freedom by labour. They, with some paid volunteers, are sent to construct a 100 ship fleet, which will be manned by 5000 people. 

There's been a bit of a problem. Please check your talk page. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 03:26, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Qart-Haradast (Carthage): Hannibal's health continues to decline as he becomes bed ridden. Twenty slave children are sacrificed in Hannibal's name to Ba'al in an attempt to help Hannibal recover. Hannibal continues to meet with his son Hamilicar II, with Hannibal knowing his own death is very near. Mago dies in a shipwreck near the Pillars of Hercules during a very bad storm. He is succeded by Adherbal who becomes the governor of Sicily, Corsica, and surrounding isles, and the main admiral of the Carthaginian navy. The colony of Orsit-Annon grows as more people begin to travel to the colony due to purple dye and zinc deposits being found in and around the colony. Macomedes continues to expand southwards, gathering more lands for more resources and farming. Adherbal plans to finish Mago's journey very soon. Hasdrupal enacts a law that provides a tax-cut, as well as a land grant to any citizen that builds and operates a bloomery, so as to increase the output of steel in Carthage. The city of Mageterit continues to grow as former slaves begin to settle in it with the soldiers, who hold little to no ill will against them. 

I believe you would need steel mills which none of us can produce/make yet. Our steel would be lackluster and primitive and we wouldn't have enough to be produced via a steel mill. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 18:46, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'll change it to a bloomery, which is much more accurate, and every Iberian Falcata sword was made of iron with the blade being covered by three thin sheets of steel that would greatly increase its sharpness. and they had a pretty good process to actually make their steel better once it was done in the bloomery. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 19:33, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

I have been away from wiki for most of the past few weeks, and I asked Greg if he could post a basic turn for me. It would appear that he has not been doing so. Can I post as if he had, as it wasn't really my fault Mafia (talk) 21:59, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, that cannot happen. Greg has also been gone for over a week and a half with no warning. You also have not given any warning on the wiki page that you would be going. Your nation did not expand nor did it fall under civil unrest. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:37, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Two things. First, the most plausible thing would be if they had continued to do the same thing, and second, I told Feudal, and you can check his talk page, so I did notify the mods Mafia (talk) 23:52, August 25, 2013 (UTC) and what I meant was that I had begun a project that would have been basically reset if you say nothing happened. Does nothing happening mean remain at a status quo, or that everything stops?

He is not head mod, so does it make more sense to post in the talk page and/or put it on the talk page of the head mod? Also, you said no events about your nation. You can't decide whether or not you get events for your nation if you are away. You also posted on August 9th and said "I will be away for the next week". That means you are safe until August 16th, which has past. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 00:11, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

177 BC

Europe: The vassalized Cispaline Gauls begin to provide Gallic soldiers to Roman armies, but not professional soldiers.
Romae Delenda Est 177BC

Europe: The Saxons begin to start influence in the Northern German Kingdoms of the Germanic Empire.

Europe: The Scythians and Sarmations begin an alliance, conducting co-operative raids against Slavic and Ural tribes.

Africa: Hannibal dies, bedridden of a fever. A great mourning takes place as many nearby citizens flock to the city of Carthage to pay their respects to the great leader, general and politician of Carthage before he is burned on a funeral pyre.

Africa: Popular election from the Council of a Hundred and Four, and a convergent vote by the people of Carthage leads Hamilicar II to replace his father's position as one of the two Sophets of Carthage.

Africa: The Byzantine colony of Dugora expands as normal. However, in Ars, due to previous raids by the Libyan tribes of their food storages and farms, as well as increased citizens leads to a small famine where one hundred and fifty people have died so far, all of them poor with no access to limited food supplies.

Africa: A local Berber tribe, not part of the larger Berber tribes, raids the Carthaginian colony of Orsit-Annon, killing many recent colonists as they are out in the fields.

Middle-East: Due to popular demand, Ptolemaic Egypt begins to let in Byzantine merchants once more, but expand their navy due to increase activities by Byzantium, but they do no attempt to interfer with Byzantine patrols.

Middle-East: Mounting unrest in Seleucia leads the Indo-Greek Kingdom to revolt violently, and they begin a campaign to secure their independence. 

Asia: The Qin invaders are pushed out of Han lands, and the Han begins to prepare for their counter invasion.

Asia: Continued expansion of Yamato agriculture allows for a small population boom.

North America: The Innuit tribesmen begin to consolidate the recently conquered land.

North America: The Havana tribes experiance a small population boom.

Central America: The Zapotecs and Mixtec talks finally come to frutation as they decide on a semi-confederal, semi-federal union between their nations, becoming the Confederal Valley City-states. 

Central America: Mounting unrest in Teochitican leads to a civil war between factions that wish to stay trade partners and allies with the new Zapotec-Mixtec union, and those that fear their power and wish to strike against them now.

South America: Quiet two years

Qin Dynasty: With four battles lost, most of the army is captured or killed. Hence, the emperor, after debating with the court officials, surrendered to the Han family at the condition that no Qin officials or soldier should be enslaved or executed. The Emperor will continue as a major family in the capital, although the Han family will become the emperor.

  • Han Diplomacy (RNG: 2): The Qin officials and soldiers are officially pardoned and set free, including those currently captured. The Han will become the Emperor of China, but most Qin officials can stay at their posts if they wish. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 02:28, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Teotihuacan: As the civil war rages, the First Strike side gains the advantage, as the military joins them, and they only have to fight the household guards of the Traders. Meanwhile, far from the battlefield, the breeders have succeeded in getting the Jaguars as easy to train as a European Dog. Llama breeding also continues, but both are toned down due to the war. An alliance with the Maya is offered, and failing that, a non aggression pact.

Kingdom of the Low Lands: Colonies expand and the economy also expands (1.75) due the extra fish that comes from the colonies. "Fisher's Land" is inspected and a large amount of strong wood from the oak tree that is used for shipbuilding.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. Emperor Kōgen continues supporting Qin China. The navy is improved and its score increases by 0.25.

Byzantine Empire: The empire continues its funded expansion of Ars utilizing the organizational capacity for cities to allow for fertile soil to be taken from the surroundings or imported to begin an agriculture program in Ars to allow its prosperity and expansion. The Famine has become a large shock to the Senate of the empire and the Senate says that taking care of the colonies is somethign that must be done. If the emperor was proposing them he shouldn't he be supporting them. King Alexander, who agrees, sends many ships with supplies such as food and water as well as expert agricultural planners from Dugora. The Empire begins to implement a higher standard of training for the navy prompting naval score to increase by 0.25. The Empire begins to funnel large scale resources to the colonies Allowing Ars to continue across the coast of Libya towards Dugora. The Governor of Sparta a loyal general of Alexanders has managed to secure the secret to Spartans steel allowing it to begin diffusing throughout the empire as with the knowledge on how to make and shape it. Scythia, Epirus and Halicarnassus are continually influenced. We begin to Influence Judea through our trade agreement. The Byzantines under Alexander begin to move their forces to the Border Halicarnassus and Egyptians Anatolian provinces, using influence from the previous years to try to spur up a rebellion (RNG)

  • Dugora: The colony begins to expand once again securing more territory towards Ars. The prosperity of the city and its growing settlements has pushed the population to about 40,000 now with domestic population growth becoming more and more viable. The colony continues to help support Ars securing an agricultural base with city planners being sent to help the colony turn into a desert oasis. The Sand is kept down in the city by laying down heavy stonework roads and large Stone Agricultural beds that if farmed the right way will allow for a larger more viable farming base. This is the same thing that is done in Dugora.

Qart-Haradst (Carthage): Hamilicar II continues many of his fathers reforms, making sure they stay in place and are able to adapt with the possibility of any change in the political landscape of Carthage. Some priests begin to privately doubt the power of Ba'al as he did not save the lift of Hannibal, his greatest and most powerful follower in Carthage. The colony of Orsit-Annon is re-inforced with Iberian soldiers in an attempt to put a halt to berber raids. An outer wall, or palisade is constructed to enclose the fields and the outer part of the city that is not protected by the stone walls. The colony of Macomedes continues its expansion, but this time expands westwards towards the whole of Carthage as small gold deposits are discovered to the west. Adherbal continues Mago's journey, making contact with the Serer tribes in OTL Sengal, which is soon named Edamim Mi'at or Land of Hundreds due to a large population of natives. The resulting experience on our navy from these extended expeditions, as well as a better ability to deal with the ocean waters, we upgrade our navy by 0.25. The bloomery reform enacted by Hasdrupal is moderately successful, adding crude steel to some merchants' shops, but overall it doesn't add much steel to Carthage. However, Hasdrupal has another plan. He will contract the construction of several Bloomeries in Mageterit, and contract the former slaves to operate the devices. He will then forcibly lower the price of steel by making it more abundant, and more popular with the Carthaginian merchants. Influence continues on Numidia. 

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (Seven not at this time.): We offer the Berber tribes an alliance offer through mutual conquest of the local tribe that raided Orsit-Annon. The plan is that Carthaginian soldiers and Berber tribesmen will attack the local tribe, allowing the larger Berber tribes to conquer it, and free Orsit-Annon of its raiding problem.
  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (9 We can not trade with you at this time due to logistical issues): We offer a trade agreement with the recently discovered Serer tribes.

Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. Military is upgraded by 0.25 while the navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania begins to grow.

Pontus: Mithridates dies in his bed and, as a will was found and the succession discipline is upheld, the crown was passed on to his aggressive but talented son, Pharnces I. He begins to gradually decrease imports to fill more money to the treasury and to make Pontus self-sufficient. He uses this money to speed up construction and road projects. He also sends his spies to infiltrate Egyptian Anatolia and he also starts to bribe governors in conjunction with the Byzantine actions. He readies the army and starts to hire mercenaries, mostly Seleucids and natives. As the Pontic navy perfects its craft and starts to sail westward toward the Hellespont, the naval score increases by 0.25.

'Hausa': The Hausa continues the development of the military forces (army + 0.25), expanding the military by an additional 10,000 men, divided into 5000 swordsmen and spearmen, 3000 archers, and 2000 cavalry. The construction of Kano into a large sprawling city continues, with the population increasing to 50,000. The military begins preparations for expanding into neighboring territories, either by force or by guile.

Celtica: The military expands by 0.25 as the holdings in Narbonesis are consolidated. My gains in the war were never added on the map.

175 BC

Europe: Roman influence continues on Germania, leading to some dissent between Germans near the Alps, and those further away, both of which hold different opinions of the Romans.

Europe: The Saxons continually influence the Northern Germanians. 

Europe: The Dacians are raided by the local Ruteni tribes in OTL Belasarus, causing a counter-raid by Dacian cavalry and scouts.

Africa: Byzantine shipments to their colony of Ars almost immediately relieve the famine of the colony.

Africa: A counter-raid is planned against the local Berber tribes by the local governor of Orsit-Annon, and will be carried out, with or without the larger Berber help.

Africa: Hausa military buildup begins to worry many nearby tribal leaders, but instead of uniting, they mostly just assume that an attack will not occur.

Middle-East: The recently rebelled Indo-Greek Kingdom begins a campaign of war against the Sunga Dynasty, fueling a need for conquest. They quickly take the border due to numerous successful skirmishes.

Middle-East: Ptolemaic Egypt requests to renew a trade agreement with the Seleucids.

Asia: With the civil war over for China, the Han emerge victorious, and dissent almost completely disappears as many follow the culture of supporting the new and rising Celestial Kingdom that is Han.

North America: The Innuit tribes begin to expand on their coastal agriculture.

North America: Continual naval expeditions of the Havana tribes leads to Isla de Cotorras being discovered below the OTL Island of Cuba. 

Central America: The Civil War rages on in Teotihuacan.

Central America: The Mayans accept a non-aggression pact with the First-Strikers of Teotihuacan, sending them supplies in the civil war. (RNG: 5) Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:23, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Central America: The continual warfare and its support near the Confederal Valley City-states leads to a small military build up.

South America: Quiet two years.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing.

Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. Navy is upgraded by 0.25 while the navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania begins to grow.

You can't upgrade twice in a row. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 05:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

But I upgraded my navy in 179. 177 was military - meaning army. Sine dei gloriem (talk) 02:45, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

You can only upgrade one of the three possible scores once every two turns, to prevent anyone from going point or score crazy. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 03:09, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire: The empire continues its large agricultural program expanding and modernizing it heavily to allow for increased food production and causing population growth. This new farming program is towards Thracia and Anatolia as much of Greece is mountainous. Scythia, Epirus and Halicarnassus are continually influenced. The Empire gives control of Ars to Dugora allowing and connects the two colonies via a large scale roadway. The Empire continues large scale agricultural upgrades to Ars and keeps its troops there for protection. The population grows to about 6.2 million. The Empire continues upgrading and building ships for its navy increasing the Eastern fleet to about 200 ships. The influence in Halicarnassus allows for the ships to stop there to resupply. The Emperor begins marrying his generals and closest supporters to the various cities securing their allegiance and preventing another Greek uprising. The Emperor Alexander begins an audacious plan for buiding new housing methodically in many of the older cities slums allowing for a higher standard of living. This is allowed by the fact Ars is now being heavily supported by a newly powerful Dugora.

  • Dugora: Dugora takes over majority control of Ars and begins maximizing the effectiveness of city planning to allow for more agriculture in both Ars and Dugora. Dugora continues its major population growth and with the addition of Ars it is brought to a population of 80,000. The domestic military of Dugora is expanded to 10,000 citizens and the mercenaries decreased to another 5000 putting the local force at 15,000. A cavalry unit is used to terrorize the raiders around Ars giving them the mentality of never wanting to raid the colony again.

The Romans, Carthaginians, Byzantines, etc. all raided the Libyan tribes for their attacks, but, since their inhospitality was so widespread across history, you can see that these attacks never accomplished anything long term. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 03:09, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Han China: We continue the Qin colony in Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins copying Qin by making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. The fourth large iron mill is built in Panyu. We set out capital at Xian. The fourth largest boat dock is built in Panyu. We raise our economic score by 0.25. We begin large agricultural programs and modernizes the agricultural processes. We begin building the largest library in China, where 200,000 bamboo strips will be stored. Hence, we begin finding intellectuals and ask them to abridge and rewrite Chinese classics. We also start finding and collecting stories and sagas for our library. Moreover, we decide to rebegin our voyage, but of a larger size. 5000 expert boatsmiths are recruited, as well as 10,000 carpenters and lumberjacks. The fleet is to be of 100 ships large, with 60 colonial ships to establish colonies in Brunei and Singapore. We begin marrying Qin family members to quell any unrests.

Teotihuacan: The breeding programs continue. The First Strikers and the traders engage in a pitched battle to decide who marches on the capital.

Qart-Haradst (Carthage): Hamilicar II extends the citizenship reforms to include the African tribes near the colony of Orsit-Annon, which are mainly the Berbers. The colony of Orsit-Annon is sent a larger than usual food supply due to Macomedes becoming more stable agriculturally. The colony of Macomedes is finally united with the rest of Carthage and is given an official designation as a province of Carthage, rather than a colonial province, elevating the status of the governor, nobles, and farmers in the area. The small gold deposits begin to be mined, giving much wealth to Macomedes as a trade item, but its lack of a large deposit prevents all of Carthage from receiving gold as a more common trade item. The Iberians who employ the bloomeries for making steel begin to add a new step to the process, burying the steel in the dirt for days, which allows for impurities to decay and let the metal get stronger. This allows for stronger steel sheets to be placed over the Iberian Falcata swords, making them even deadlier than before. Xamm-Rah is conducted once more, and much more quickly. It concludes that there are 8.2 million people in the nation of Carthage and 70,000 Carthaginian Iberians are able to be called to duty should war break out, as well as 25,000 Carthaginian citizens (Including those in the colonies who are given citizenship.). This does not include city garrisons. It also allows for a new tax to be levied, which is the same rate as before, but allows for less to be paid should a citizen operate a bloomery and merchant sell the product. Influence continues on Numidia.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (RNG Needed): We ask one final time if the Berbers would join in our attack on the smaller Berber tribes that raided Orsit-Annon. If they do not, and we conquer the tribes, they will become part of our hegemony, and not the Berber's as promised for the larger Berbers to join the attack.

Pontus: The roads and supply wagons are all filled with food, water and supplies. They are widened and hardened so that they won't break under the pressure of the supplies. The economy is being adjusted to accommodate the diversion of resources to the armies. The mercenary recruitment is going well, with 18,000 infantry and 4000 cavalry, supplemented by 2000 infantry and 1500 cavalry men from Pontus. These are commanded by Perseus Diomedes Alexios, a new general who has risen through the ranks through skill. His army is also positioned in the southern frontier, along with Alexander's 27,000 infantry and 9000 cavalry. They are poised to attack or defend whenever the need arises. Pharnaces follows his predecessors by touring and giving speeches throughout the kingdom to gain the population's trust, co-operation and support. The navy continues its progress towards the Hellespont, deliberately slowly so that it won't get exhausted.

Havana Tribes: With the discovery of the newest island, people begin to head over to the new island slowly, but surely. We begin to cultivate and secure the island's resources. This increases our economy by 0.25.

173 BC

Europe: The Roman army continues its large scale buildup as it nears 80,000 troops drawn up. The Celticans consolidate themselves and a population boom happens with a more sophisticated culture beginning to develop as well. The powers of Europe such as Rome and the Byzantine empire grow closer to advancement into high grade iron and steel.

Africa: Ars now under the control and planning of Dugora stabilizes and its agriculture has allowed its stabilization. The Carthaginians grow closer to heavy high grade iron and Steel production. The Berber tribes accept the previous Carthaginian alliance.

Middle East: The Seleucid and Egyptian tensions begin to build up again as border raids begin to happen on both sides leaving 500 dead between both sides. The Egyptian trade with East African tribes comes to a halt. The Pontics and Anatolian Byzantines suffer a series of storms which cause the death of many farming crops causing a major famine across Anatolia.

Asia: The Indian kingdoms and empires begins cross border raids of each other trying to hamper or force one of them to attack first. Naval raids are also commited. The Han bringing the Chinese into a new age manage to bring new weapons and metals to the table allowed for the Chinese to get closer to manufacturing steel.

Oceania: The Tribes in Oceania continue to expand slightly.

North America: The Innuits get a population boom with more land being used for food.

South America/ Central America: The civil war continues with the Maya expanding north in this instance.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing.

Pontus: Pharnaces begins a major economical campaign to remedy the famine. He first orders the construction of homes for the homeless families. He also sends a team of scientists to study and help cultivate the land. He orders a relief operation for those stranded and jobless persons. He also creates a team of the best scientists to start researching and, if possible, creating heavy high-grade steel and iron so that a disaster like this doesn't happen again. He also orders the increase of imports to support the economy. He orders the building of more roads to speed up the food supply distribution. He pays the affected people so that they may start over. He also puts up hospitals for the affected and creates more medical schools and storage warehouses to help improve the economy.  Due to this, the economy increases by 0.25. He also uses this opportunity to create speeches and proclamations that would increase the peoples' loyalty.  

Han China: We continue the Qin colony in Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins copying Qin by making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. The fifth large iron mill is built in Changsha. The fifth largest boat dock is built in Wuhan. We begin large agricultural programs and modernizes the agricultural processes. More books are written in the library and the structure is finished Xian. We also start finding and collecting stories and sagas for our library. We continue our construction of our fleet. 


Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. Military is upgraded by 0.25 while the navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania begins to grow.

Byzantine Empire: With the Famine becoming apparent the Emperor uses the increased farmland in Thracia as well as more food imports to alleviate the famine in Anatolia. The Empire also continues its large scale expansion of its Army arming them with some of the first mass production steel weapons such as spears. This upgrades our army by 0.25. However, swords remain as high grade iron with steel still remaining somewhat unreliable for weapons such as this. The Empire also continues influencing Egyptian Halicarnassus, Scythia and Epirus with the latter being tooled towards eventual annexation into the greater Hellenistic culture. With the empire getting an influx of raw materials from its colonies the cities are continually expanded to house a growing population nearing 6.4 million. 

  • Dugora: Dugora, Ars and the other expanding settlements make it a long term goal with a centralized Byzantine empire supporting these colonies. Cities will remain and will not be destroyed as they were formerly.The combined population of the Colonial provinces now number almost 100,000 with professional soldiers to some degree being naturalized. Agriculture is expanded to a degree as well with Tree farming becoming common to try and make the area more hospitable. Dugora builds a few forts to allow for a larger warning for the major settlements of any attempted raids. The Libyans closest to Ars are paid a sum to prevent their raiding of the colony of arms for the time being (RNG)

​Teotihuacan: The First Strikers, after winning the Pyrrhic victory, send a messenger to the capital, requesting that it declare support for them. They also begin recruiting from the other settlements. One of the First Strike Engineers creates a rudementary catapult, a springy piece of wood, carved into a straight piece with a bowl-shape on the end, with a cross beam, stopping it suddenly, flinging whatever is in the bowl out of the bowl.

Never in history have any nations or civilization from the Americas ever invented a catapult. Eiplec - ಠ_ಠ (talk) 13:06, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

'Qart-Haradst (Carthage): As preparations for our raid against the Berber tribes finally ends, our army score is upgraded to 0.25. The raid against the smaller Berber tribes by a coalition of Carthaginian soldiers and Berber tribes is hugely successful, resulting in its quick annexation into the larger Berber tribes. This act cements the alliance previously proposed when the raid first occured. Relations begin to grow as the Berbers are introduced to many Carthaginian weapons and armors following the raid, and more frequent encounters with Carthaginian citizens. The province held by Macomedes expands south-east due to trade influence and a wish to control more dye producing areas of Libya. The colony of Orsit-Annon experiances a large expansion due to the fall of the hostile Berber tribes, reducing fears of potential colonists. Agriculture begins to grow once more in Orsit-Annon, outside the palisade wall this time. The province of Macomedes begins an expansion of its agriculture in order to rely less on imports over sea and land. The bloomeries and their currently regarded nature in Carthaginian law are expanded towards the Carthaginian province of Tajez (Tangier). 'Influence continues on Numidia.

  • Carthaginian Diplomacy (RNG Needed): We request a trade agreement with out recent allies, the Berbers.

171 BC

Europe: The Donanaumonni and Cispaline Gauls start to become integral parts of Rome, providing soldiers, land and allegiance.
Romae Delenda Est 171BC

The maps are back!

Europe: The Celticans begin to hold a higher influence in the other nearby tribes.

Europe: Expansion of steel use continues in both the Roman Republic and the Byzantine Empire.

Europe: Hasdrupal dies of old age in Carthago Nova.

Africa: The Byzantine forts in Libya come under attack, but it is repelled quickly.

Africa: Expansion of steel use continues in Carthage.

Middle-East: Two satrapies rebel against the Seleucids, Commagene and Sophene.

Middle-East: Tensions between the Ptolemaics and Seleucia die down for now as the Seleucid's are having to focus on their many rebellions.

Asia: The Indo-Greek Empire makes large gains into the Sunga Dynasty but is now at a standstill due to losing a battle at a river crossing.

Asia: Expansion of steel use continues in Han China.

Oceania: The Polynesians begin a few naval expeditions, discovering some nearby islands.

North America: Quiet Two Years.

Central America: The civil war continues in Teotihuacan. (Note: You cannot make catapults.)

South America: A famine occurs in the Amazonian tribes due to recent expansion and a lack of agricultural development.

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing. The navy is improved, and more ships are built, and its score is increased by 0.25.

Teotihuacan: The First Strikers raise an Army in the other settlements, sized around 4000. Estimates put the Trader army, also newly raised at 1700. The First Strikers sneak up to their camp in the night, and when they march in the morning, the First Strikers rush down the slope on either side of the track, and attack them. In the city, the breeding programs continue, and the city remains neutral. An engineer in the city begins experimenting with making bridges over small rivers that you bend down, and then spring back up when you untie them, for letting boats pass, and people cross.

Havana Tribes: We explore more of our controlled areas, we increase our navy by 0.25.

Byzantine Empire: The empire continues major agricultural expansion hoping to avoid Anatolia's previous famine. The Empire also continues influence on Scythia, Halicarnassus and Epirus. The Empire begins a larger scale movement towards steel manufacturing. 

  • Dugora: The colony begins to consolidate to prevent overexpansion and the forts are upgraded, Dugora begins an increased city-built agricultural plan to plant trees to help build up viable soil and continue expansion of Arable land.

Han China: We continue the Qin colony in Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins copying Qin by making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. The sixth large iron mill is built in Wuhan. The sixth largest boat dock is built in Xiamen. We begin large agricultural programs and modernizes the agricultural processes. The Great Library is completed. The new government continues legalism. We finish our fleet and it departed Fuzhou on July, 12th, 171 BC. It continued the first ship's path and landed in Tainan on July, 15th. Then it landed on Brunei on July, 28th, 170 BC. 30 ships were broken down and built into colonies in Brunei, where they capture and marry native women. After staying on the colony until September 1st, the fleet departed for Singapore, where they landed on December 25th. We advance our navy score by 0.25.

Qart-Haradst (Carthage): We request a trade agreement between the Berber tribes and our nation (RNG Needed.) The province of Macomedes continues to expand south-east due to trade influence for the dye producing areas of Libya. The colony of Orsit-Annon continues its large expansion, and is sent more food and supplies by the new governer of Iberia. A new governor of Iberia is appointed by Hamilicar II, who is named Hanno the Noble. The bloomeries continue to expand within Far-East North Africa. Influence continues on Numidia.

Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. The navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania continues grow. While this, the Senatus extends a new vision to the Roman people beginning extraordinary comitius to allow Cisalpine Gauls to enter a represantitive within the Roman senatus.

Pontus: Pharnaces recruits 4000 volunteer Seleucid mercenaries, Cretan archers, Rhodian slingers, Thessalian cavalry, and Seleucid troops as regulars for the Pontic army. He also creates a new type of troop: A super-heavy infantry that wields an Alexander the Great-style spear. He got the idea from the cataphracts and now this super-heavy infantry unit has full overlapping scales and plates covering its whole body. It has tiny holes, small enough so that it can't get stabbed or shot, but big enough for air to get through. He makes 2000 of these. (+ 0.25 army) He encourages childbirth, increasing the population to 4.5 million. He creates more facilities, such as fire stations, hospitals, extra houses and shelters, and other civil structures and services. Also, he creates new scientific divisions, specializing in different divisions and are encouraged to write books. This is so that plagues and other natural disasters could be avoided and that if one ever occurs, it could be easily responded to. The steel scientists also starts constructing a bloomery so that they could test the steel they made. He also creates a new army of regulars, 16,000 infantry and 9000 cavalry under Demetrius Arcaius, a new and experienced general. He puts the super-heavy infantry into this and positions this army on the border with Colchis. He also does his best to restructure the system of government, weeding out corruption and increasing financial and industrial output. He uses this to buy mercenaries for Demetrius and to improve the state. He also starts constructing something resembling a General Staff, and hires skillful military men to head it and to write books about military strategy and tactics. He also re-standardizes the tax system and quota system. He expands the spy and assassin system. Pharnaces also tours the kingdom.

  • Pontic D: We request a trade agreement with  Colchis. (RNG)

Byzantine Empire: The Empire continues to improve its agriculture and economy. Steel becomes much more commonly used throughout the empire. The army begins high training drills in new tactics increasing our army by 0.25.

  • Dugora: Dugora continues expansion and continues advocating large population growth. Soil is established through tree farming to reclaim major parts of the desert for agriculture.

169 BC

Due to school and other things, we will be hard pressed to do mod events. Please post your turns. No events today. #LivinLikeFeudal (talk) 22:45, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing.

Han China: We continue the Qin colony in Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins copying Qin by making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. More iron mills and boat docks are built, but now by rich merchants. We continue our journey and we construct a colony on Malacca and Singapore. We continued West and reached Myanmar at December 30th, 169 BC.

Byzantine Empire: The Empire continues to funnel funds into Dugora expanding the colony. The Byzantine empire arms its military with steel upgrading our army by 0.25. The Empire continues its influence into Scythia, Epirus and Halicarnassus are continually influenced. The Empire also continues to expand its army to almost 85,000. The Empire also expands its naval ships.

  • Dugora: The colony, thanks to the Byzantines, continues to expand with the majority of growth focused on Ars.

Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. The navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania continues grow. While this, the Senatus extends a new vision to the Roman people beginning extraordinary comitius to allow Cisalpine Gauls to enter a representitive within the Roman senatus.

Qart-Haradst (Carthage): We request a trade agreement between the Berber tribes and our nation (RNG Needed). The province of Macomedes continues to expand south-east due to trade influence for the dye producing areas of Libya. The colony of Orsit-Annon continues its expansion and is sent more food and supplies by Hanno the Noble. The bloomeries continue to expand, making it as far as most of Carthaginian Mauretania, and steel weapons make a larger appearance in the Carthaginian armies as well as Iberian ones, using them for spears now instead of just swords. We build fifty more galleys and fifty more quintetriremes, upgrading our navy by 0.25. We request a trade agreement with the Kingdom of Illyia (RNG Needed). After many years of influence, we ask the Numidians would become our vassals once more as they were before the Carthaginian Civil War. (RNG 8. No, we will not).

Pontus: Pharnaces finds a suitable casus belli to get him the kingdom's support on his war against Colchis. He makes a proclamation to Pontus as a whole, saying that the Colchic nobles, aristocrats and leaders, by not accepting the treaty proposal, has conspired to weaken Pontus through starvation then invade as soon as they are strong enough. He gains the support of the population and he uses the donation funds to create an all-mercenary army to support Demetrius. It is composed of 3000 Armenian heavy infantry, 2000 Galatian light infantry, and 1000 missile troops from Crete and Rhodes. The cavalry arm will be composed of 1500 Scythian horse archers, 1000 Armenian cataphracts, 1500 Thessalian light cavalry, and 2000 Seleucid heavy cavalry. These forces would be placed under the capable hands of Dionysus Ephelion, the mastermind behind the southern defenses. Pharnaces also widens the roads and improves the buildings' defense infrastructure. He also orders the border defenses on full alert and begins a series of agricultural and industrial reforms. He also sends more funds to the steel research division, the naval arm, and the Assassins and Spies division. He also strengthens the loyalty of the population by creating columns and steles, honoring the war and economic triumphs of his ancestors. He also creates more libraries to enhance the peoples' knowledge.

  • Pontus: In a bid to promote friendship and co-operation, we send an offer to Armenia that, in exchange for some land in the north to increase our territory there without destroying the said land, we would like to offer them a military alliance, a trade agreement, 150 talents per year for five years, the captured prisoners from the Armenian war without ransom, an agreement in which only 2000 men would be placed in each border by both sides, and, in a secret clause, if they agree to invade Colchis, some territory on the peace table. (need RNG pls.)

167 BC

Yamato Japan: Some more farmland is created and some new boats and ports are built for fishing.

Han China: We continue the Qin colony in Taiwan. The Imperial Family begins copying Qin by making an imperial army chosen from the best soldiers and only listening to the commands of the Emperor. We also begin making a secret imperial spy system. We continue supporting agriculture in villages and assist them in building canals. More iron mills and boat docks are built, but now by rich merchants. We continue to India where we begin trading with the Indian nations. We advance our economic score by 0.25.

Havana Tribes: We continue to expand, we increase our army by 0.25.

Roman Republic: The Donaumanni tribes are accepted members of the new Roman membership within the army, and the Cisalpine Gauls are allowed to keep their religion and other traditions although Latin is made obligatory to allow easier management of the captured territories. While this, the trading with inland German and Gaul populations beyond Roman control. The navy is revamped in Venetia and Liguria. Influence in Germania continues grow. While this, the Senatus extends a new vision to the Roman people beginning extraordinary comitius to allow Cisalpine Gauls to enter a representitive within the Roman senatus. Military is increased by 0.25.

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