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North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

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Lakotah joins the NAU: why do I always spell that wrong?

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	===Lakotah joins the NAU===		===Lakotah joins the NAU===
	[[File:Ray1.jpg\|thumb\|left\|100px\|Former President of the PUS, Ray Hunkins]]		[[File:Ray1.jpg\|thumb\|left\|100px\|Former President of the PUS, Ray Hunkins]]
-	The years following the Lakotah War had not been good for the Republic. Infighting among the different Lakota tribes, rebellions by non-Lakotah demanding civil rights and harrasment from the east by {{1983DD\|Assinobia}} had stretched the Republic to the limit. Furthermore, it was obvious to even the dimmest Lakotah chief that the NAU was prospering. When the NAU cut off trade with Lakotah in 2002 in response to a particulary gruesome massacre of non-Lakota rebels, what little economy Lakotah had collapsed.	+	The years following the Lakotah War had not been good for the Republic. Infighting among the different Lakota tribes, rebellions by non-Lakotah demanding civil rights and harrasment from the east by {{1983DD\|Assiniboia}} had stretched the Republic to the limit. Furthermore, it was obvious to even the dimmest Lakotah chief that the NAU was prospering. When the NAU cut off trade with Lakotah in 2002 in response to a particulary gruesome massacre of non-Lakota rebels, what little economy Lakotah had collapsed.

-	In the midst of this crisis a new Chief Facilitator, Charmaine White Face, was chosen. Immediately she instituted reforms granting equal rights to non-Lakota in the Republic's territory and sent a delegation to end the border dispute with Assinobia. Her most controversial decision was to apply for membership in the NAU in 2003.	+	In the midst of this crisis a new Chief Facilitator, Charmaine White Face, was chosen. Immediately she instituted reforms granting equal rights to non-Lakota in the Republic's territory and sent a delegation to end the border dispute with Assiniboia. Her most controversial decision was to apply for membership in the NAU in 2003.

	The application came as a surprise to both the NAU and White Face's opposition. While White Face dealt with dissent back in Lakotah, the NAU debated about what to do about Lakotah's application for membership. Up till now the NAU had never considered expanding its members as the NAU had only been meant to act as an organization to promote free trade and common policy between the American and Canadian survivor communities. Despite not having an official set of membership criteria for which to judge Lakotah's application, it was eventually decided that for the stability of the region it was better to accept Lakotah into the NAU or else the NAU may be forced to invade the country if things continued to get worse. Thus in 2004, representatives from the NAU and Lakotah met once again in Beach, North Dakota to sign the official documents that made Lakotah a full member of the NAU.		The application came as a surprise to both the NAU and White Face's opposition. While White Face dealt with dissent back in Lakotah, the NAU debated about what to do about Lakotah's application for membership. Up till now the NAU had never considered expanding its members as the NAU had only been meant to act as an organization to promote free trade and common policy between the American and Canadian survivor communities. Despite not having an official set of membership criteria for which to judge Lakotah's application, it was eventually decided that for the stability of the region it was better to accept Lakotah into the NAU or else the NAU may be forced to invade the country if things continued to get worse. Thus in 2004, representatives from the NAU and Lakotah met once again in Beach, North Dakota to sign the official documents that made Lakotah a full member of the NAU.

User:Owen1983

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North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

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Lakotah joins the NAU:

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	===Lakotah joins the NAU===		===Lakotah joins the NAU===
-	[[File:Ray1.jpg\|thumb\|left\|100px\|Former President Ray Hunkins during negotiations with Utah]]	+	[[File:Ray1.jpg\|thumb\|left\|100px\|Former President of the PUS, Ray Hunkins]]
		+	The years following the Lakotah War had not been good for the Republic. Infighting among the different Lakota tribes, rebellions by non-Lakotah demanding civil rights and harrasment from the east by {{1983DD\|Assinobia}} had stretched the Republic to the limit. Furthermore, it was obvious to even the dimmest Lakotah chief that the NAU was prospering. When the NAU cut off trade with Lakotah in 2002 in response to a particulary gruesome massacre of non-Lakota rebels, what little economy Lakotah had collapsed.
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		+	In the midst of this crisis a new Chief Facilitator, Charmaine White Face, was chosen. Immediately she instituted reforms granting equal rights to non-Lakota in the Republic's territory and sent a delegation to end the border dispute with Assinobia. Her most controversial decision was to apply for membership in the NAU in 2003.
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		+	The application came as a surprise to both the NAU and White Face's opposition. While White Face dealt with dissent back in Lakotah, the NAU debated about what to do about Lakotah's application for membership. Up till now the NAU had never considered expanding its members as the NAU had only been meant to act as an organization to promote free trade and common policy between the American and Canadian survivor communities. Despite not having an official set of membership criteria for which to judge Lakotah's application, it was eventually decided that for the stability of the region it was better to accept Lakotah into the NAU or else the NAU may be forced to invade the country if things continued to get worse. Thus in 2004, representatives from the NAU and Lakotah met once again in Beach, North Dakota to sign the official documents that made Lakotah a full member of the NAU.
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		+	Lakotah's entrance into the NAU was not without opposition. Russel Means created the Lakotah Liberation Armyy with the stated goal of using whatever means necessary of overthrowing the White Face government and removing Lakotah from the Union. For several years he conducted with his followers a guerilla war against the NAU, until he was captured in 2007. After being tried he was sentenced to life imprisonment.

	===Contact===		===Contact===

User:Owen1983

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-	I am a 25 year old male who lives in Manchester in NW england my fave soccer team is arsenel my hobbies are collecting graphic novels and listening to music i am also a fan of thhe GTW and this wiki am working on a timeline called the <nowiki>[[King for President]]</nowiki>	+	\|town=Bury
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The Legion (Superpowers)

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	Though armor and weapons technology continued to advance, by the time of the Great War the Cabellica had become dominated by its '''Celeres''', or swift attack horses, to counteract the advantages firearms had over armor.		Though armor and weapons technology continued to advance, by the time of the Great War the Cabellica had become dominated by its '''Celeres''', or swift attack horses, to counteract the advantages firearms had over armor.

-	In 1820 there was a complete reformation of the Cabellica, even greater than those of the XIth century. Cavalry was completely phased out and replaced with the modern design of the Testudo. Though this was a slow change, it would make a profound difference on the way wars would be fought for the next few centuries.	+	In 1820 there was a complete reformation of the Cabellica, even greater than those of the XIth century. Cavalry were completely phased out and replaced with the modern design of the Testudo. Though this was a slow change, it would make a profound difference on the way wars would be fought for the next few centuries.

	==Structure==		==Structure==
-	Much like the Auxilia, the Cabellica has always been made of '''Alaris''', this is however where the similarity ends. Here the Ala is the smallest unit, of which the average size is 45 Testudos. Interestingly, each Ala has a unique make-up so as to specialize for a particular function.	+	Much like the Auxilia, the Cabellica has always been made of '''Alaris''', this is however their only similarity. In this case, the Ala is the smallest unit, of which the average one is made up of 45 Testudos. Interestingly, each Ala has a unique make-up so as to specialize for a particular function. For instance, the ''Ala Flagrantes I'' consists of 60 TF-124 Flamethrower Testudos, though the ''Ala Flagrantes VI'' consists of 20 TF-124s and 30 R-127 Medium Testudos.
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		+	In a similar fashion to the ''Legio Palatino'' (Emperor's Legion), the Roman head of state has his own personal tank brigade. The ''Ala Fuga'' consists of 40 T-121 Heavy Testudos supported by 60 R-127s. This allows it to perform its primary function of clearing a safe path for the Emperor during times of trouble. Though it is often used to undergo missions of a more personal nature for the Emperor, as it does not require consultations with generals or the Discateria to be used.

Talk:Republic of Victoria (1983: Doomsday)

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Questions:

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	I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
	:Now I'm just starting to get frustrated. You're completely ignoring everything I've said.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:Now I'm just starting to get frustrated. You're completely ignoring everything I've said.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Anyway, the OTL population of Vancouver Island is 740k, Since I can't find the stats, I'm assuming a Pre-DD pop of about 450-500k Add to that the population of the northern coast of BC, which is around 2-300k, as well as refugees from the metro vancouver area, which I was being conservative with about 100k, likely there would be more, that leaves a population of native BC residents at about 700-900k, of which I took the smaller number to account for radiation deaths in refugees, unrest, starvation, etc. Vancouver Island is quite self sufficient when it comes to food, its finished goods that it would lack, so starvation deaths would be few. The numbers I've used for population haven't even taken into account population growth. I could realistically raise the population to take into account refugees from southern Washington, asia, spokane, etc. but didn't want to wank my country.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 04:00, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Benkarnell

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Vila Crouninga needs to explain something:

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	Just checking to make sure that the changes being made to Sicily by 82.57.93.228, the guy who made the complaint about Sicily, were talked about with you first. If not I think we should revert the edits. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)		Just checking to make sure that the changes being made to Sicily by 82.57.93.228, the guy who made the complaint about Sicily, were talked about with you first. If not I think we should revert the edits. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
	:I went ahead and reverted the edits and protected the Sicily page. I did this after he changed the article to make Sicily a member of the LoN, pretty much ignoring established history. I also left a message on his talk page telling him to bring up his disputes on talk pages. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)		:I went ahead and reverted the edits and protected the Sicily page. I did this after he changed the article to make Sicily a member of the LoN, pretty much ignoring established history. I also left a message on his talk page telling him to bring up his disputes on talk pages. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
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	== Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something ==		== Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something ==

Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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Government and politics:

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	== Government and politics==		== Government and politics==
-	''See [[Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)\|Government and Politics of West Texas]]''	+	:'''See main article:''' ''[[Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)\|Government and Politics of West Texas]]''

	== Economy ==		== Economy ==

North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

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Tensions with Utah: dropping

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	[[File:Flag of the United States of America.png\|thumb\|right\|Despite not having 50 states, the United States of America continues to fly the 50 state flag.]]		[[File:Flag of the United States of America.png\|thumb\|right\|Despite not having 50 states, the United States of America continues to fly the 50 state flag.]]
-	Following the Lakotah War a large number of American survivor communities held a new constitutional convention, reestablishing the United States of America. Though the Constitution was adopted as is, the new government has declared itself only a provisional government that will give authority back to the existing federal US government if they ever came into contact with them. In 2009 the USA learned that the surviving American government disbanded itself in 1995. So far the current USA government has shown little interest in changing the current status quo.	+	Following the Lakotah War a large number of American survivor communities held a new constitutional convention, reestablishing the United States of America. Though the Constitution was adopted as is, the new government has declared itself only a provisional government that will give authority back to the existing federal US government if they ever came into contact with them. In 2009 the USA learned that the surviving American government disbanded itself in 1995. So far the current USA government has shown little interest in changing the current status quo, but there has been some discussion about dropping the provisional status of the government.

	The USA is divided into 9 states:		The USA is divided into 9 states:

Talk:Republic of Superior (1983: Doomsday)

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	Well, Superior and Canada are two different situations. In Superior's case, I believe that its location really does mean that it will have more trouble feeding people than finding them. For Canada, I think there just aren't that many people left alive in close proximity to the Remainder Provinces. They probably could feed the people they had, but let's face it, Ontario and Quebec both got all but blown from the face of the earth, because between them they have two thirds of the population. That means that few survivors are headed east in Canada, whereas I think a good number head north from the rest of the US. Also, as to food, the problem never really is getting enough. Quite a few famines occurred because country lacked the infrastructure to get food from where it was to where it needed to be. Canada, being as huge as it is, would have a problem with this. Superior is much smaller and much more lightly hit. It's infrastructure was smaller, but it would still have transport capability, especially if the local government secured gasoline supplies early on as a necessary public stockpile. I think that, in the short run, it could manage to support 2 million or so people through fishing, hunting, and agriculture. As to the farming problems... I think of it this way: Much of England was never more than marginal for farming, yet the UK around the beginning of the industrial ages held 18 million people and legally prohibited the importation of foodstuffs. If they're willing to cultivate intensively enough, they can feed 3 million even with their tech base. I do know quite a bit about agriculture, and one of the presumptions in talking about how difficult it is to farm in cold weather is that you're trying to create a modern-day standard of living. You can grow food with lower yields and much higher areas under cultivation, and still come up with enough to feed this kind of population. The expertise would be a mixture of local and migrant. This is the Midwest we're dealing with, there are farmers, and they would be among the most likely to survive.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:36, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		Well, Superior and Canada are two different situations. In Superior's case, I believe that its location really does mean that it will have more trouble feeding people than finding them. For Canada, I think there just aren't that many people left alive in close proximity to the Remainder Provinces. They probably could feed the people they had, but let's face it, Ontario and Quebec both got all but blown from the face of the earth, because between them they have two thirds of the population. That means that few survivors are headed east in Canada, whereas I think a good number head north from the rest of the US. Also, as to food, the problem never really is getting enough. Quite a few famines occurred because country lacked the infrastructure to get food from where it was to where it needed to be. Canada, being as huge as it is, would have a problem with this. Superior is much smaller and much more lightly hit. It's infrastructure was smaller, but it would still have transport capability, especially if the local government secured gasoline supplies early on as a necessary public stockpile. I think that, in the short run, it could manage to support 2 million or so people through fishing, hunting, and agriculture. As to the farming problems... I think of it this way: Much of England was never more than marginal for farming, yet the UK around the beginning of the industrial ages held 18 million people and legally prohibited the importation of foodstuffs. If they're willing to cultivate intensively enough, they can feed 3 million even with their tech base. I do know quite a bit about agriculture, and one of the presumptions in talking about how difficult it is to farm in cold weather is that you're trying to create a modern-day standard of living. You can grow food with lower yields and much higher areas under cultivation, and still come up with enough to feed this kind of population. The expertise would be a mixture of local and migrant. This is the Midwest we're dealing with, there are farmers, and they would be among the most likely to survive.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:36, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	Semi-related note, is there anything keeping Superior from occupying good agricultural land in Wisconsin early on? I know the map doesn't reflect that but I can't see any real reason not to expand in that direction early. Overland transport is admittedly more difficult than by water but if they can keep an mechanized army running they can build rail.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

	==Motto==		==Motto==

History of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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	Scouts will be instructed to examine the ruined cities for salvageable material as well as their potential for future resettlement. Parties will also be instructed to look for other survivor communities in the area, and offer on behalf of West Texas whatever aid they may need. Not knowing for sure what's out there (partly because of the government's long-time policy of isolationism), armed Texas Rangers and Army personnel will accompany scouting parties for defensive purposes only.		Scouts will be instructed to examine the ruined cities for salvageable material as well as their potential for future resettlement. Parties will also be instructed to look for other survivor communities in the area, and offer on behalf of West Texas whatever aid they may need. Not knowing for sure what's out there (partly because of the government's long-time policy of isolationism), armed Texas Rangers and Army personnel will accompany scouting parties for defensive purposes only.
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User talk:Benkarnell

2009-11-21T03:46:11Z

Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something:

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-	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Cruoninga\|Villa Cruoninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Karsten vK\|Karsten vK]]	+	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Villa Cruoninga\|Villa Cruoninga]] but he was using a different username Karsten vK

	Villa's signature has been made to sign Karsten VK which maybe you might have been able to tell if you read some things.		Villa's signature has been made to sign Karsten VK which maybe you might have been able to tell if you read some things.
	:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...		:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...
	[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	thancks Mr X BTW have a good thanksgiving

Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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Category:West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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[[Category:World Country Profiles (1983: Doomsday)]]

Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

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Doomsday and after: this is for you Ben

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	Like most places in the continental United States, Doomsday caused the collapse of state governments, except for Wyoming. The remnants of the state government, rallying around Governor Edgar Herschler, were able to reestablish control at Torrington, Wyoming. Fort Laramie was also recommissioned as a fort to be used for the training of the new state militia. The state government of Wyoming had sporadic contact with the remnants of the federal government at [[Mount Weather (1983: Doomsday)\|Mount Weather]] until the facility was abandoned in May 1984. Afterward, the Wyoming state legislature voted to give Governor Herschler expanded emergency powers to get the state through the crisis. One of his first acts was the Strategic Hamlet Initiative. The initiative called for the creation of walled settlements to protect farmers and ranchers from the increasing number of hungry refugees. The communities of southern Montana also adopted such a system as they looked toward Wyoming for advice and aide.		Like most places in the continental United States, Doomsday caused the collapse of state governments, except for Wyoming. The remnants of the state government, rallying around Governor Edgar Herschler, were able to reestablish control at Torrington, Wyoming. Fort Laramie was also recommissioned as a fort to be used for the training of the new state militia. The state government of Wyoming had sporadic contact with the remnants of the federal government at [[Mount Weather (1983: Doomsday)\|Mount Weather]] until the facility was abandoned in May 1984. Afterward, the Wyoming state legislature voted to give Governor Herschler expanded emergency powers to get the state through the crisis. One of his first acts was the Strategic Hamlet Initiative. The initiative called for the creation of walled settlements to protect farmers and ranchers from the increasing number of hungry refugees. The communities of southern Montana also adopted such a system as they looked toward Wyoming for advice and aide.

User talk:Benkarnell

2009-11-21T03:41:57Z

Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something:

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	:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...		:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...
	[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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User talk:Benkarnell

2009-11-21T03:38:59Z

Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something: new section

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	:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...		:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...
	[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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User talk:Benkarnell

2009-11-21T03:37:58Z

Vila Crouninga needs to explain something:

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	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Cruoninga\|Villa Cruoninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Karsten vK\|Karsten vK]]		I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Cruoninga\|Villa Cruoninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Karsten vK\|Karsten vK]]
		+
		+	Villa's signature has been made to sign Karsten VK which maybe you might have been able to tell if you read some things.
		+	:Owen I'm trying to be civil here; but what exactly has been up with you? Now you don't have to explain anything on my web page; I'll be too busy to read anything in a few days what with Thanksgiving coming up- and more importantly I'm fighting tooth & nail to be a foreign exchange student to Chile. All I'm saying is you were gone for awhile, and you didn't exactly come back too quietly...
		+	[[User:Mr.Xeight\|Mr.Xeight]] 03:37, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Communist Timeline

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	'''June'''- '''Battleship Potemkin Uprising''' begins.		'''June'''- '''Battleship Potemkin Uprising''' begins.

-	octuber-The tsar and his family killed.	+	'''Octuber'''-The Tsar and his family is killed.

Talk:Republic of Superior (1983: Doomsday)

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Population:

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	As for why Canada can't have this large a population... Well, there are two problems. First, Canada is ''big''. People won't migrate all the way from the Plains provinces to find what's left of their government. Most found the NAU first. Second, Canada holds roughly 60% of its population in its largest 15 or so cities, all of which would have been destroyed on Doomsday. Ontario is just GONE, as is Southern Quebec and Vancouver. This means that, at most, 9 million people survive the primary effects of Doomsday. Well over half starve to death that winter, because Canada can't distribute food from where it is grown to where most of the people still are. That leaves 4 million at the outside, most of whom live outside the remainder provinces. The remainder provinces probably end up with 1-1.5 million of them. Saguenay has another 250,000. The NAU winds up holding much of the Plains provinces and another million people. The rest are in survivor communities and Alaskan/ANZC satellite states on the west coast.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 18:09, November 20, 2009 (UTC)		As for why Canada can't have this large a population... Well, there are two problems. First, Canada is ''big''. People won't migrate all the way from the Plains provinces to find what's left of their government. Most found the NAU first. Second, Canada holds roughly 60% of its population in its largest 15 or so cities, all of which would have been destroyed on Doomsday. Ontario is just GONE, as is Southern Quebec and Vancouver. This means that, at most, 9 million people survive the primary effects of Doomsday. Well over half starve to death that winter, because Canada can't distribute food from where it is grown to where most of the people still are. That leaves 4 million at the outside, most of whom live outside the remainder provinces. The remainder provinces probably end up with 1-1.5 million of them. Saguenay has another 250,000. The NAU winds up holding much of the Plains provinces and another million people. The rest are in survivor communities and Alaskan/ANZC satellite states on the west coast.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 18:09, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
	:I find it hard to believe that Superior can feed a few million people by just fishing the great lakes but Canada can't when it tries to fish the Atlantic Ocean. First off radiation is going to kill off a lot of fish in the Great Lakes and these people who are not used to roughing it are going to die quickly. Disease will speard throughout the hastily built refugee camps, killing more. Fights over supplies between refugees and UPers will cause more deaths. Also there is reason that places like the UP are lightly populated, it is incredibly hard to sustain a large population the farther north you go. You can do it if you have a large infrastructure like the US does, but post-Doomsday that is gone. Furthermore the UP is heavily forested, so farming is weak as well. Finally Superior was hit by a nuclear strike, it might have been small but it still happened. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 23:28, November 20, 2009 (UTC)		:I find it hard to believe that Superior can feed a few million people by just fishing the great lakes but Canada can't when it tries to fish the Atlantic Ocean. First off radiation is going to kill off a lot of fish in the Great Lakes and these people who are not used to roughing it are going to die quickly. Disease will speard throughout the hastily built refugee camps, killing more. Fights over supplies between refugees and UPers will cause more deaths. Also there is reason that places like the UP are lightly populated, it is incredibly hard to sustain a large population the farther north you go. You can do it if you have a large infrastructure like the US does, but post-Doomsday that is gone. Furthermore the UP is heavily forested, so farming is weak as well. Finally Superior was hit by a nuclear strike, it might have been small but it still happened. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 23:28, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	Well, Superior and Canada are two different situations. In Superior's case, I believe that its location really does mean that it will have more trouble feeding people than finding them. For Canada, I think there just aren't that many people left alive in close proximity to the Remainder Provinces. They probably could feed the people they had, but let's face it, Ontario and Quebec both got all but blown from the face of the earth, because between them they have two thirds of the population. That means that few survivors are headed east in Canada, whereas I think a good number head north from the rest of the US. Also, as to food, the problem never really is getting enough. Quite a few famines occurred because country lacked the infrastructure to get food from where it was to where it needed to be. Canada, being as huge as it is, would have a problem with this. Superior is much smaller and much more lightly hit. It's infrastructure was smaller, but it would still have transport capability, especially if the local government secured gasoline supplies early on as a necessary public stockpile. I think that, in the short run, it could manage to support 2 million or so people through fishing, hunting, and agriculture. As to the farming problems... I think of it this way: Much of England was never more than marginal for farming, yet the UK around the beginning of the industrial ages held 18 million people and legally prohibited the importation of foodstuffs. If they're willing to cultivate intensively enough, they can feed 3 million even with their tech base. I do know quite a bit about agriculture, and one of the presumptions in talking about how difficult it is to farm in cold weather is that you're trying to create a modern-day standard of living. You can grow food with lower yields and much higher areas under cultivation, and still come up with enough to feed this kind of population. The expertise would be a mixture of local and migrant. This is the Midwest we're dealing with, there are farmers, and they would be among the most likely to survive.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:36, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

	==Motto==		==Motto==

User talk:Benkarnell

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	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Kirsten Vk\|Kirsten Vk]]		I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Kirsten Vk\|Kirsten Vk]]
		+
		+	== Vila Cruoninga needs to explain something ==
		+
		+	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Cruoninga\|Villa Cruoninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Karsten vK\|Karsten vK]]

User talk:76.241.128.222

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welcoming new contributor

New page

==Welcome==
Hi, welcome to Alternative History. Thanks for your edit to the [[:Communist World]] page.

'''[[Special:Userlogin|Please sign in and create a user name]]'''. It's an easy way to keep track of your contributions and helps you communicate with the rest of the community.

Please leave a message on [[User talk:Mitro|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:Mitro|Mitro]] ([[User_talk:Mitro|Talk]]) 03:35, November 21, 2009

North American Union (1983: Doomsday)

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The Treaty of Morgan:

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	===The Treaty of Morgan===		===The Treaty of Morgan===
		+	In 1997, President Hunkins offically extended an invitation to the Canadian communities of the Great Plains to join the PUS. Though the communities had yet to be organized into a central government, they continued to maintain close ties and acted as a confederation in all but name. Hunkins invitation touched off a renewed wave of Canadian nationalism and thus his invitation was rejected. Momentarily take aback, Hunkins nevertheless invited represenatives to meet with him in the town of Morgan, Montana to discuss the future relationship between the PUS and the Canadian survivor communities.
		+
		+	What came out of these talks was the Treaty of Morgan. On the condition that the Canadian communities organize themselves under a democratic central government, the Americans and Canadians would be united under a political and economic alliance known as the '''North American Union'''. The Union would integrate the two government and yet allow them both to keep their soveriegnty. The Union would establish a common market, a common currency and seek to encourage common policies on various domestic issues. Borders would also remain open between the two nations, neither requiring its citizens to obtain a passport before entering either nation. The treaty was singed in 1997 and is considered the start of the North American Union, despite the fact that it was not until 1998 when the PUS Senate approved the Treaty and 1999 when the newly created Proivisional Government of Canada did likewise.
		+
	===Lakotah joins the NAU===		===Lakotah joins the NAU===
	===Tensions with Utah===		===Tensions with Utah===

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Talk:Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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West Texas population figure too low?

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	::Let's make it government and politics. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		::Let's make it government and politics. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I found a few minutes to create the article. I still may do another for West Texas Culture later on. Thanks for the suggestion, Mitro.--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:32, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	== Population ==
		+
		+	With the discussion at the NAU page in mind, I am wondering if the 842,000+ figure I've listed for West Texas is too ''low''. Thoughts?

Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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Government and politics:

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	== Government and politics==		== Government and politics==
-	=== National government ===	+	''See [[Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)\|Government and Politics of West Texas]]''
-	The President is elected for one term, lasting four years, and can serve a maximum of two terms. Representatives can serve unlimited terms of two years each, Senators unlimited terms of six years each.
-
-	West Texas has a plural executive branch system limiting the power of the President. Except for the Secretary of State, voters elect executive officers independently making candidates directly answerable to the public, not the President.
-
-	Executive branch positions consist of
-	* President
-	* Vice President
-	*Secretary of State
-	*Secretary of Defense
-	*Secretary of Commerce
-	*Secretary of Energy
-	*Secretary of Labor
-	*Secretary of Public Accounts
-	*Secretary of the Interior
-	*Secretary of Agriculture
-	*Secretary of Transportation
-	*Secretary of Education
-	* Attorney General
-
-	The bicameral Texas Legislature consists of the House of Representatives, with 100 members (with districts set up throughout the nation according to population), and a Senate, with 50 members (one for each administrative district). The Speaker of the House leads the House, and the Vice President, the Senate. The Legislature meets in regular session anually, but the President can call for special sessions as often as desired.
-
-	West Texas has two courts of last resort: the Supreme Court, for civil cases, and the Court of Criminal Appeals. Except for some municipal benches, partisan elections select judges at all levels of the judiciary; the President fills vacancies by appointment. The death penalty was not included in the constitution, as it was thought that there had been enough death in the aftermath of Doomsday.
-
-	=== Administrative divisions ===
-	[[File:DT_Mid_123.jpg\|thumb\|The skyline of Midland, the capital of West Texas]]
-	Midland is divided into Midland proper, and the Republic Capital District, consisting of the State Capitol Building, the President's Residence, the Supreme Court Building, Army Headquarters and various government agencies.
-
-	Other divisions are:
-	*Andrews
-	*Artesia
-	*Balmorhea
-	*Barstow
-	*Big Lake
-	*Big Spring
-	*Coyahosa
-	*Crane
-	*Denver City
-	*Eldorado
-	*Eunice
-	*Carlsbad
-	*Coahoma
-	*Colorado City
-	*Fort Davis
-	*Fort Stockton
-	*Gardendale
-	*Goldsmith
-	*Hobbs
-	*Hope
-	*Imperial
-	*Kermit
-	*Lake Arthur
-	*Lamesa
-	*Lindsay
-	*Loving
-	*Lovington
-	*McCarney
-	*Monahans
-	*O'Donnell
-	*Odessa
-	*Ozona
-	*Pecos
-	*Rankin
-	*Roscoe
-	*Rotan
-	*Seagraves
-	*Seminole
-	*Snyder
-	*Sonora
-	*Stanton
-	*Sterling City
-	*Toyah
-	*West Odessa
-	*Westbrook
-	*Wickett
-	*Wink
-	*Valentine
-	*Van Horn
-	Territories
-	*San Angelo
-	*Waco
-
-	=== Politics ===
-	West Texas politics are dominated by the regional successors to the U.S. Democratic and Republican Parties. Republican candidates have won each of the Republic's six presidential elections. The members tend to reflect the region's social conservatism and religious views; where the parties tend to differ are in regards to government's responsibility to help citizens, and on the long-contested issues of isolationism.
-
-	The more conservative Republicans dominated national politics for years, and were the driving force behind isolationism. Leaders time and again insisted the country was doing fine on its own, and that not only could West Texas prosper by itself, but that its people could care for themselves without government assistance. The most conservative Republicans also pushed to impose censorship on the media and on popular music, but were consistently opposed by the Democrats and more moderate Republicans. The conservatives opposed the "youth movement" against isolationism; the moderates - who had grown in number to where they became a majority of the party by 2009 - saw the wisdom of opening up the country and reaching out to whomever was out there.
-
-
-
-
-	[[File:Steve_pearce.jpg\|thumb\|Vice President Steve Pearce]]
-	[[File:Harry_Teague.jpg\|thumb\|Senator Harry Teague (D-Hobbs), the Democratic Party's Presidential candidate]]
-
-
-	The Democrats opposed isolationism, although for many years more conservative Democrats were more likely to go along with the Republicans on the issue. Democrats also have long spoken in favor of government responsibility to hold business in check, and to assist people when necessary, always pointing back to the early years when the cities banded together to help their people survive. The party opposed censorship measures proposed by conservative Republicans, as well as bills sponsored by conservatives that would have had the effect of marginalizing the Catholic church and making the West Texas Baptist Convention the ''de facto'' state church.
-
-	Another group that, over time, opposed isolationism is the petroleum industry. It realized that the policy was harming potential trade with nearby Mexico, Dinetah and Deseret, so the industry attempted on several occasions to lobby the Republicans into backing down or off of the policy. However, after the 1987 agreement between the industry and Mexican "private interests" to relocate automotive manufacturing facilities to Fort Davis in exchange for oil, the government solidified the policy.
-
-	=== 2009 presidential campaign ===
-	Conaway, the incumbent President, ran for a second term as the Republican Party's candidate. Steve Pearce, a Republican from Hobbs and the Vice-President during Conaway's first term, was again the VP candidate in '09.
-
-	The Democratic Party chose Harry Teague, a ranking minority senator from Hobbs, as their Presidential candidate.
-
-	Elections were held on November 3. With 100% of the votes counted, the results were:
-	*Mike Conaway (Republican) 290,172
-	*Harry Teague (Democratic) 131,595
-	*Federico Aguayo (New Texas Party) 1,967
-	*Jeffery McLellan (American Party) 560

	== Economy ==		== Economy ==

User talk:Benkarnell

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	Just checking to make sure that the changes being made to Sicily by 82.57.93.228, the guy who made the complaint about Sicily, were talked about with you first. If not I think we should revert the edits. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)		Just checking to make sure that the changes being made to Sicily by 82.57.93.228, the guy who made the complaint about Sicily, were talked about with you first. If not I think we should revert the edits. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
	:I went ahead and reverted the edits and protected the Sicily page. I did this after he changed the article to make Sicily a member of the LoN, pretty much ignoring established history. I also left a message on his talk page telling him to bring up his disputes on talk pages. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)		:I went ahead and reverted the edits and protected the Sicily page. I did this after he changed the article to make Sicily a member of the LoN, pretty much ignoring established history. I also left a message on his talk page telling him to bring up his disputes on talk pages. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 18:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
		+
		+	== Vila Crouninga needs to explain something ==
		+
		+	I was blocked yesterday by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but I was contacted by [[User:Volla Crouninga\|Villa Crouninga]] but he was using a different username [[User:Kirsten Vk\|Kirsten Vk]]

Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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		+	== National government ==
		+	The President is elected for one term, lasting four years, and can serve a maximum of two terms. Representatives can serve unlimited terms of two years each, Senators unlimited terms of six years each.

		+	West Texas has a plural executive branch system limiting the power of the President. Except for the Secretary of State, voters elect executive officers independently making candidates directly answerable to the public, not the President.
		+
		+	Executive branch positions consist of
		+	* President
		+	* Vice President
		+	*Secretary of State
		+	*Secretary of Defense
		+	*Secretary of Commerce
		+	*Secretary of Energy
		+	*Secretary of Labor
		+	*Secretary of Public Accounts
		+	*Secretary of the Interior
		+	*Secretary of Agriculture
		+	*Secretary of Transportation
		+	*Secretary of Education
		+	* Attorney General
		+
		+	The bicameral Texas Legislature consists of the House of Representatives, with 100 members (with districts set up throughout the nation according to population), and a Senate, with 50 members (one for each administrative district). The Speaker of the House leads the House, and the Vice President, the Senate. The Legislature meets in regular session anually, but the President can call for special sessions as often as desired.
		+
		+	West Texas has two courts of last resort: the Supreme Court, for civil cases, and the Court of Criminal Appeals. Except for some municipal benches, partisan elections select judges at all levels of the judiciary; the President fills vacancies by appointment. The death penalty was not included in the constitution, as it was thought that there had been enough death in the aftermath of Doomsday.
		+
		+	== Administrative divisions ==
		+
		+	[[File:DT_Mid_123.jpg\|thumb\|The skyline of Midland, the capital of West Texas]]
		+	Midland is divided into Midland proper, and the Republic Capital District, consisting of the State Capitol Building, the President's Residence, the Supreme Court Building, Army Headquarters and various government agencies.
		+
		+	Other divisions are:
		+	*Andrews
		+	*Artesia
		+	*Balmorhea
		+	*Barstow
		+	*Big Lake
		+	*Big Spring
		+	*Coyahosa
		+	*Crane
		+	*Denver City
		+	*Eldorado
		+	*Eunice
		+	*Carlsbad
		+	*Coahoma
		+	*Colorado City
		+	*Fort Davis
		+	*Fort Stockton
		+	*Gardendale
		+	*Goldsmith
		+	*Hobbs
		+	*Hope
		+	*Imperial
		+	*Kermit
		+	*Lake Arthur
		+	*Lamesa
		+	*Lindsay
		+	*Loving
		+	*Lovington
		+	*McCarney
		+	*Monahans
		+	*O'Donnell
		+	*Odessa
		+	*Ozona
		+	*Pecos
		+	*Rankin
		+	*Roscoe
		+	*Rotan
		+	*Seagraves
		+	*Seminole
		+	*Snyder
		+	*Sonora
		+	*Stanton
		+	*Sterling City
		+	*Toyah
		+	*West Odessa
		+	*Westbrook
		+	*Wickett
		+	*Wink
		+	*Valentine
		+	*Van Horn
		+	Territories
		+	*San Angelo
		+	*Waco
		+
		+	== Politics ==
		+	West Texas politics are dominated by the regional successors to the U.S. Democratic and Republican Parties. Republican candidates have won each of the Republic's six presidential elections. The members tend to reflect the region's social conservatism and religious views; where the parties tend to differ are in regards to government's responsibility to help citizens, and on the long-contested issues of isolationism.
		+
		+	The more conservative Republicans dominated national politics for years, and were the driving force behind isolationism. Leaders time and again insisted the country was doing fine on its own, and that not only could West Texas prosper by itself, but that its people could care for themselves without government assistance. The most conservative Republicans also pushed to impose censorship on the media and on popular music, but were consistently opposed by the Democrats and more moderate Republicans. The conservatives opposed the "youth movement" against isolationism; the moderates - who had grown in number to where they became a majority of the party by 2009 - saw the wisdom of opening up the country and reaching out to whomever was out there.
		+
		+
		+
		+
		+
		+
		+	[[File:Steve_pearce.jpg\|thumb\|Vice President Steve Pearce]]
		+	[[File:Harry_Teague.jpg\|thumb\|Senator Harry Teague (D-Hobbs), the Democratic Party's Presidential candidate]]
		+
		+
		+	The Democrats opposed isolationism, although for many years more conservative Democrats were more likely to go along with the Republicans on the issue. Democrats also have long spoken in favor of government responsibility to hold business in check, and to assist people when necessary, always pointing back to the early years when the cities banded together to help their people survive. The party opposed censorship measures proposed by conservative Republicans, as well as bills sponsored by conservatives that would have had the effect of marginalizing the Catholic church and making the West Texas Baptist Convention the ''de facto'' state church.
		+
		+	Another group that, over time, opposed isolationism is the petroleum industry. It realized that the policy was harming potential trade with nearby Mexico, Dinetah and Deseret, so the industry attempted on several occasions to lobby the Republicans into backing down or off of the policy. However, after the 1987 agreement between the industry and Mexican "private interests" to relocate automotive manufacturing facilities to Fort Davis in exchange for oil, the government solidified the policy.
		+
		+	=== 2009 presidential campaign ===
		+	Conaway, the incumbent President, ran for a second term as the Republican Party's candidate. Steve Pearce, a Republican from Hobbs and the Vice-President during Conaway's first term, was again the VP candidate in '09.
		+
		+	The Democratic Party chose Harry Teague, a ranking minority senator from Hobbs, as their Presidential candidate.
		+
		+	Elections were held on November 3. With 100% of the votes counted, the results were:
		+	*Mike Conaway (Republican) 290,172
		+	*Harry Teague (Democratic) 131,595
		+	*Federico Aguayo (New Texas Party) 1,967
		+	*Jeffery McLellan (American Party) 560

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Dewey Elected

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-		+	[[Category:United States Presidential Elections]]
-	\| election_name = United States Presidential Election, 1948 \| flag_image = Flag of the United States of America.png
-	\| flag_size = 60px\| type = presidential \| ongoing = no \| previous_election = 1944 \| previous_year = 1944\| next_election = [[United States presidential election, 1952\| next_year = 1952

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Population:

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	:::3 million. It's most likely people would stay put in their geographic regions and try to survive the best they can. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:14, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:::3 million. It's most likely people would stay put in their geographic regions and try to survive the best they can. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:14, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::::I really think that's a bit low. Probably 3 million people survived in or near lands the NAU owns to begin with, I'd say the population has to have at least grown by a quarter in the past 25 years, even assuming less migraton than I think would happen. So even without the migration we're still looking at around 4 million or a little more, not 3. Anyone else have a concrete number they want to toss out there?--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:28, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

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Government and politics of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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	:Government and politics, or culture. I'm not in the position right now to create the new article; I can do so in a few hours. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:21, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:Government and politics, or culture. I'm not in the position right now to create the new article; I can do so in a few hours. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:21, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::Let's make it government and politics. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Republic of Victoria (1983: Doomsday)

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	I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Now I'm just starting to get frustrated. You're completely ignoring everything I've said.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

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	Mitro, let's plan to have the subject of membership in the NAU brought up to West Texas in the next few weeks, the reason being that West Texas wants stronger ties with everyone in the region including the NAU. I don't want to close the country off to the possibility of NAU memebership.--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		Mitro, let's plan to have the subject of membership in the NAU brought up to West Texas in the next few weeks, the reason being that West Texas wants stronger ties with everyone in the region including the NAU. I don't want to close the country off to the possibility of NAU memebership.--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
	:Sounds good, though I added West Texas saying no because that is what it says on the {{1983DD\|History of West Texas}}. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:15, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:Sounds good, though I added West Texas saying no because that is what it says on the {{1983DD\|History of West Texas}}. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:15, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Initially they did, because of the isolationism thing. I suppose people in Texas are realizing that membership may be a good thing. I guess we need to discuss what would be the storyline benefits of having West Texas join?--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:23, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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	The article is getting to the size where you can start noticing a lag when you try to edit it. I suggest we split one of the subsections into its own article and leave a small paragraph summarizing what the new article will say. Is there any particular section you think could stand on its own as a seperate article? [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		The article is getting to the size where you can start noticing a lag when you try to edit it. I suggest we split one of the subsections into its own article and leave a small paragraph summarizing what the new article will say. Is there any particular section you think could stand on its own as a seperate article? [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:Government and politics, or culture. I'm not in the position right now to create the new article; I can do so in a few hours. --[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:21, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

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	:Ok, based on your assumption of a 5th of BC surviving and it being up to a quarter or a 3rd now, we have the combined populations of the BC parts of Victoria, the Okanagan, and New Caledonia totaling around a million. Pre DD pop of BC was 2.8 million, about half of which lived in metro Vancouver, not everyone in metro Vancouver will die from the nuclear strike, but most will, so lets say total surviving population of 1.6 million in BC. The total population of the 3 territories account for about a million, leaving nearly 600k to die from fallout, starvation, etc. The numbers aren't unrealistic. 2/3rds of BC's pre-DD population is gone. The Republic of Victoria's population includes 3-400k from Washington state.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 22:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)		:Ok, based on your assumption of a 5th of BC surviving and it being up to a quarter or a 3rd now, we have the combined populations of the BC parts of Victoria, the Okanagan, and New Caledonia totaling around a million. Pre DD pop of BC was 2.8 million, about half of which lived in metro Vancouver, not everyone in metro Vancouver will die from the nuclear strike, but most will, so lets say total surviving population of 1.6 million in BC. The total population of the 3 territories account for about a million, leaving nearly 600k to die from fallout, starvation, etc. The numbers aren't unrealistic. 2/3rds of BC's pre-DD population is gone. The Republic of Victoria's population includes 3-400k from Washington state.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 22:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Republic of West Texas (1983: Doomsday)

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	Join Dixie Alliance or North American Union? (this is at least a year off, IMO)--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 05:30, November 20, 2009 (UTC)		Join Dixie Alliance or North American Union? (this is at least a year off, IMO)--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 05:30, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	The article is getting to the size where you can start noticing a lag when you try to edit it. I suggest we split one of the subsections into its own article and leave a small paragraph summarizing what the new article will say. Is there any particular section you think could stand on its own as a seperate article? [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

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	I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		I don't know... between this and the other two states there are what, about 1.4 million people here again? I guess its possible, it just seems unlikely that that many people would have survived the collapse in infrastructure. If we tack on 350,000 in Washington, I still say the population is more likely to be 700,000, not 1.1 million. It just seems impossible for natural population growth to account for much larger, and I really do think people won't migrate towards a place they know has had at least one nuclear strike nearby.--[[User:Loughery111\|Loughery111]] 03:18, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
	:Now I'm just starting to get frustrated. You're completely ignoring everything I've said.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:Now I'm just starting to get frustrated. You're completely ignoring everything I've said.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 03:27, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Anyway, the OTL population of Vancouver Island is 740k, Since I can't find the stats, I'm assuming a Pre-DD pop of about 450-500k Add to that the population of the northern coast of BC, which is around 2-300k, as well as refugees from the metro vancouver area, which I was being conservative with about 100k, likely there would be more, that leaves a population of native BC residents at about 700-900k, of which I took the smaller number to account for radiation deaths in refugees, unrest, starvation, etc. Vancouver Island is quite self sufficient when it comes to food, its finished goods that it would lack, so starvation deaths would be few. The numbers I've used for population haven't even taken into account population growth. I could realistically raise the population to take into account refugees from southern Washington, asia, spokane, etc. but didn't want to wank my country.--[[User:Oerwinde\|Oerwinde]] 04:00, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

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	Mitro, let's plan to have the subject of membership in the NAU brought up to West Texas in the next few weeks, the reason being that West Texas wants stronger ties with everyone in the region including the NAU. I don't want to close the country off to the possibility of NAU memebership.--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		Mitro, let's plan to have the subject of membership in the NAU brought up to West Texas in the next few weeks, the reason being that West Texas wants stronger ties with everyone in the region including the NAU. I don't want to close the country off to the possibility of NAU memebership.--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 02:57, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
	:Sounds good, though I added West Texas saying no because that is what it says on the {{1983DD\|History of West Texas}}. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:15, November 21, 2009 (UTC)		:Sounds good, though I added West Texas saying no because that is what it says on the {{1983DD\|History of West Texas}}. [[User:Mitro\|Mitro]] 03:15, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
		+	::Initially they did, because of the isolationism thing. I suppose people in Texas are realizing that membership may be a good thing. I guess we need to discuss what would be the storyline benefits of having West Texas join?--[[User:BrianD\|BrianD]] 03:23, November 21, 2009 (UTC)